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Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:12 am

What is the unwritten rule if you get lucky and find yourself with an empty seat row in coach?

I assumed that, after doors close, and you have a row all to yourself, it's courtesy of the other passengers to allow you to keep the whole row so you can sleep and stretch. Since, if they get lucky, same rule would apply. It's just luck. However, there is no harm in asking, but if the answer is no, it's understandable. First come first serve right?

Reason for asking, is that 1.5 hours into a flight, a fellow passenger decided to sit on the opposite aisle seat of my row (middle row of 777 , 3-3-3). I was quick enough to stop the individual from just sitting down without asking, and politely said I was planning to sleep that night (12 hour flight). The individual was very demanding that I give up my seat, and said numerous times that I was very rude for not doing so. He/She gave up after about five minutes with me leaning over all seats and physically blocking the seat he/she wanted to sit in.

I was being courteous, and addressed the individual politely and formally but firmly. Individual was in his/her 60's, I am in my 20's.

I had just finished the meal and was watching a movie, and was planning to get a good nights sleep.

Plane was about 1/2 empty, and the individual really insisted on my row instead of another one. No one else noticed the slight altercation and no FA ever came by even though the individual threatened to call an FA.

Your thoughts?
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:25 am

Simple solution, if you notice you are going to have an empty row sit in the middle. No one will ever take the aisle seat. I've done it before and it works well. As an FA, I would be annoyed if they came and got me. I'd just ask to see their boarding pass and make them move to their old seat.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:26 am

Personally, I think you were in the wrong here. Sure you were lucky in that you ended up in an empty row. But you paid for one seat and were asking for three. It sounds like the other guy most likely moved from a full row (maybe a middle seat?) to one with some extra room, but he was still only needing one seat.

The guy who moved most likely would be making things more comfortable for the two remaining people in his row, so you're talking about three people being more comfortable on a long haul rather than just yourself. So you basically were suggesting that three other people should be miserable so you could have an awesome flight. Luck or not, that seems selfish to me.

Not to mention...If it were me, I'd definitely want someone in their 60's on such a long flight to be a little more comfortable vs someone who is young and in their 20's. But that's just the way I was raised, to respect my elders and all that "nonsense" that younger people never learned.

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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:37 am

Sounds like the guy thought because he was older than you, you shouldnt tell him no. I'm 14 so i get that A LOT. The seat was yours and you said no and he should have left (or paid extra for buisiness class) First come first serve.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:49 am

Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 3):
Sounds like the guy thought because he was older than you, you shouldnt tell him no. I'm 14 so i get that A LOT. The seat was yours and you said no and he should have left (or paid extra for buisiness class) First come first serve.

No. All three of those seats certainly weren't his. The other pax had just as much of a right to one of those seats as he did.

Anyway, you're lucky that wasn't me. I would have sat down anyway and told you to piss off. You didn't have a claim on those seats.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:50 am

Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 3):
Sounds like the guy thought because he was older than you, you shouldnt tell him no. I'm 14 so i get that A LOT. The seat was yours and you said no and he should have left (or paid extra for buisiness class) First come first serve.

It does not work that way, first come first serve is not how it works. But considering the plane was half full and there were other rows available then OP did have right ask the person to look for another row. But if the plane is full and the OP was demanding the whole row to himself then no he cannot claim the whole row for himself.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:51 am

Quoting jbrusnak (Reply 2):
Personally, I think you were in the wrong here. Sure you were lucky in that you ended up in an empty row. But you paid for one seat and were asking for three. It sounds like the other guy most likely moved from a full row (maybe a middle seat?) to one with some extra room, but he was still only needing one seat.

Did you read? The plane was 1/2 empty. He could have found another seat with nobody next to him, but even after being asked to do so, thought he was entitled to move to this specific seat, just because he had chosen to do so.

In theory, both people were only assured the seat they were assigned. This guy has no more right to move to an empty seat than the OP has to sleep in 3.

But I agree with CRJ200 - move to the middle until you are ready to sleep. Nobody will come sit next to you, as they are not upgrading their position. Further, place items in the other seats, like your carry on and books and such.

As for the unwritten rule: I've always been under the impression that if you don't move right when the doors close, you really can't expect to ever move. Caveat is if there is a completely empty row at a later time...
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:05 am

I have to vote against you also. My experience is that after things settle down on a plane with open seats, the cabin tends to even out. By that I mean people in full rows disperse through out the empty rows, or rows with only one person. You only paid for 1 seat, if you end up with 1 1/2 seats (of a 3 seat row) call it a win......
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:23 am

Bogarting a whole row while others are being sqeezed isn't cool. Sitting in the middle seat is a transparent move that everybody knows. Nobody, absolutely nobody actively chooses a middle seat so everybody knows that either the window or aisle seat is free. I've seen the middle thing backfire because an aisle or a window seat is a way better deal than a middle seat anytime.

Before the doors close, I will sometimes ask the flight attendant to move if it looks like the plane will have empty seats. This puts me ahead of the game one the doors close. A polite request to the fa will almost always trump someone being greedy with a whole row.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:25 am

I never had my seat on an empty row, but on empty flights, I often roam the aircraft, looking for empty rows to conquer.
The longest flight I took was Athens-Montreal on an A330 or 340 (not sure) and the last middle row before the lavatories was empty, so I tried to sleep there, but the sound of the always busy lavatory doors and the smells were awful, soon I came back to my seat.
I would never ask a fellow passenger to move, unless he is occupying the seat that was assigned to me.
I think people in general are not very courteous on aircrafts, as space is a limited resources and people realise that... I once very politely asked a guy if he was willing to swap seats with me (forgot the exact reason, it might have even be something else I was asking) but I still remember him smiling and saying "no!"  
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:28 am

i think you were way out of line. i would have sat there anyway, in the middle seat, just to spite you.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:37 am

Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 3):
The seat was yours and you said no and he should have left (or paid extra for buisiness class) First come first serve.

If the OP wanted more space, then he should have bought a business class ticket as well. It's a 2 way street. If there were other completely empty rows, then yes, the guy could or should have just moved to one of those. If there wasn't, then the OP would be in the wrong. The only difference between the OP and the guy he blocked is how far they had to move to get extra space that they didn't initially pay for. If the OP paid for 42A, well he really only has claim over 42A, even if 42B and C are empty. If 42B and 42C are vacant when the door closes, then they're a free for all.

I was a flight to Germany that was supposed to be pretty full but due to weather, a lot of passengers miss-connected. The plane was barely half full in Y. So some of us got lucky and did have the seat next to open or even a whole row of 3. Should we have told other passengers they couldn't move because we got lucky and they didn't?

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Before the doors close, I will sometimes ask the flight attendant to move if it looks like the plane will have empty seats. This puts me ahead of the game one the doors close. A polite request to the fa will almost always trump someone being greedy with a whole row.

  
But it's also nice to ask from a safety standpoint (weight & balance/stability & control). Not so much an issue on the 777, but on a CRJ it can be - at least during takeoff and landing. Not so much a big deal at cruise though.

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 7):
By that I mean people in full rows disperse through out the empty rows, or rows with only one person. You only paid for 1 seat, if you end up with 1 1/2 seats (of a 3 seat row) call it a win......

  
It wasn't like this guy was moving into the seat right next to him (say, the A/B seat on a 767). He still had plenty of room to stretch out.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:39 am

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 10):
i think you were way out of line.

  

Besides, the individual was estimated to be in their 60s. That's no spring chicken. The OP, on the other hand, is in his 20s! Telling a 60+ year old to beat it just so someone in their 20's can spread out over three seats and catch some sleep? Something's not right there.

[Edited 2010-02-25 19:41:17]
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:59 am

In my opinion, I think you were wrong. Taking up 3 seats so you can be comfortable, and totally ignoring an elderly person to sit near you, causing them to be possibly miserable during the flight. How much room do you need? You would still have one seat in between both of you!

Yes, technically you could go back to saying, the seat you buy is the seat you sit in, and technically you were right, BUT it also brings the point where you were taking advantage of 2 seats you didn't pay for, so you aren't really any better than the elderly person.

The point is you should of let him/her sit there. It would of been the courteous thing to do, and you would still have a seat between you, and still be comfortable. Wouldn't you want the same thing happen to you?
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:09 am

Quoting jbrusnak (Reply 2):
Personally, I think you were in the wrong here. Sure you were lucky in that you ended up in an empty row. But you paid for one seat and were asking for three. It sounds like the other guy most likely moved from a full row (maybe a middle seat?) to one with some extra room, but he was still only needing one seat.

The guy who moved most likely would be making things more comfortable for the two remaining people in his row, so you're talking about three people being more comfortable on a long haul rather than just yourself. So you basically were suggesting that three other people should be miserable so you could have an awesome flight. Luck or not, that seems selfish to me.

Not to mention...If it were me, I'd definitely want someone in their 60's on such a long flight to be a little more comfortable vs someone who is young and in their 20's. But that's just the way I was raised, to respect my elders and all that "nonsense" that younger people never learned.

exactly right. I was raised to give up my public bus seat for an elderly pax and would definately not agrue to keep the whole row to myself. With the middle seat empty you were still better off than people with full rows.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:37 am

This incident reminded me of a a330 flight I took recently from Sydney to Perth. It was only 5hours long, but I was allocated to an aisle seat in the middle seats(H). The seat to my left was empty and an elderly couple were in the other two seats.

Shortly after take off the elderly gentleman moved to sit next to me (From E to F). Now, having secured two arm rests on take off, I was not about to give up my left arm rest, which makes economy travel a bit more bearable. However, he tried as hard as he could to make me as uncomfortable as possible, by moving himself against me and constantly shifting his position, until he finally gave up and moved back to his wife.

But back to the OP. I think it is a case of first come first served, except that he failed to place items in the two vacant seats, so as to give no indication that the seat was "taken". In that case, the older gent may also have a claim.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:42 am

Quoting fiscal (Reply 15):
But back to the OP. I think it is a case of first come first served,

On the OP's flight and if there were other rows available yes that me be the case. But if it is a full flight, then no it is not first come first serve.

[Edited 2010-02-25 20:45:02]
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:46 am

If other passengers are sitting butts to nuts and you have a whole row, you're being self involved to an extreme level. Having one open seat in between you two is a huge win, when other's are sitting crammed in some rows, including middle seats.

Put the shoe on the other foot, and say you had some fat sweaty guy on one side of you, and chatty Kathy on the other side, wedging you in and some guy with an entire empty row takes issue with only having to seats to spread out over? Would you be pissed?
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:55 am

Quoting ATTart (Reply 16):
On the OP's flight and if there were other rows available yes that me be the case. But if it is a full flight, then no it is not first come first serve.

I think you make a fair assumption - but I based my response on that basis that it was a half empty flight. Again without full particulars it is hard for any of us to make other than a general response.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:05 am

Quoting fiscal (Reply 18):
I think you make a fair assumption - but I based my response on that basis that it was a half empty flight. Again without full particulars it is hard for any of us to make other than a general response.

I am seeing it as a crew member. I have had this happen on more than one occasions flight I have worked. It there are other rows open then yes a person can lay claim to a full row. But it there is not and a single person is the only one with a whole row to themselves and they did not pay for all of those seats. Then no they cannot lay claim to the whole row.

But you are right I do not know the full particulars on OP's flight.      
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:11 am

I'd probably ignore you and sit down anyways. You paid for 1 seat, not 3, and you are still going to be comfortable with a sit in between you.

As I flight attendant I would probably tell you the same thing. Let the cabin even out and everyone will be comfortable. If you want a lie-flat seat pay for business class.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:57 am

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 13):
elderly person

Since when was someone in their 60's elderly?
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:13 am

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
That is the unwritten rule if you get lucky and find yourself with an empty seat row in coach?
.....

First come first serve right?

Nope.

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
about five minutes with me leaning over all seats and physically blocking the seat

You're kidding right? Blocking, looming over all the seats? And you call that:

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
politely

Really? That's your idea of being polite? (I realize that you were commenting that you were speaking politely but to think that actions can be far from the speech is a stretch.)

Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 3):
Sounds like the guy thought because he was older than you, you shouldnt tell him no. I'm 14 so i get that A LOT. The seat was yours and you said no and he should have left (or paid extra for buisiness class) First come first serve.

Funny, you actually do sound like you are fourteen. Don't take that as an insult, you just really sound your age.

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 7):

I have to vote against you also. My experience is that after things settle down on a plane with open seats, the cabin tends to even out. By that I mean people in full rows disperse through out the empty rows, or rows with only one person. You only paid for 1 seat, if you end up with 1 1/2 seats (of a 3 seat row) call it a win......

  

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Before the doors close, I will sometimes ask the flight attendant to move if it looks like the plane will have empty seats. This puts me ahead of the game one the doors close. A polite request to the fa will almost always trump someone being greedy with a whole row.

    

I always do a scan of seats that are open in the cabin if my row is full, and will ask the FA as they are in the aisle before departure if it is OK to move to an open row or good seat once the doors close. More often than not they are fine with it. I usually have an aisle seat so moving is not a problem but I have done it once or twice when trapped in a middle seat, my seat mates are very grateful.

Ultimately everyone only paid for ONE seat (well excluding people of size on a full Southwest flight... and yes some people may buy two seats, OK fine) so you only get to control one seat. Any extra space is just bonus but not under your control.

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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:33 pm

I am also one of those that believes that you were in the wrong. You paid for 1 seat, the other passenger paid for 1 seat. Who says that you should even be allowed to lay flat across an entire row spreading your feet over the seat, back, and arm rest? I think that the other passenger was trying to make life easier and more comfortable for not only himself but others. He was helping 3 and hurting none......you on the other hand were hurting 3 and helping yourself. That is totally selfish and self absorbed to think that that entire row was yours for the entire 12 hour flight. If I were the FA, I would have escorted that man to an empty business class seat, taken a picture of him and then handed it to you just to spite. I think that you should grow up and lose the entitlement. If you wanted to lay down, you could have paid for a full fare Business Class ticket!
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:27 pm

Personally, I make sure the plane is very empty before I lay down across a row. In fact, I've only done it two or three times because I just wouldn't feel right sprawling across an entire row if there are two or three to a row elsewhere on the plane. Like others have said, you only paid for one seat. You don't have any ownership of the other two seats just because they are in your row.

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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:16 am

As an FA, I've had this happen on several occsions, and I actually had something similar happen on my CAI-JFK flight this morning. A man in row 40 had the row of 2 seats to himself. Two gentleman in row 18 had inoprative entertainment systems. I went to the gentleman in row 40 and asked if he was planning on watching any movies or listening to music at any point during the flight. He said no, so I explained the situation to him and asked if he would mind moving to row 18, so that the two guys could move back to his two seats where the entertainment was working, and he said no. I explained to him that he would still have the row of 2 seats to himself and that he'd be closer to the front when we arrived. He said he liked his seat and didn't want to move. I told him that was fine, but I was still moving someone to the seat next to him. When he asked why, I told him because he didn't pay for that seat. He of course didn't like that, but he refused to move and in doing so, pretty much shot himself in the foot. He stood his ground, which is fine. If he doesn't want to move, he doesn't want to move, but in refusing to do so, he now had to sit next to someone for 12 hours when he could have had two seats to himself.

People usually have a tendancy to work these things out for themselves, but when it becomes necessary for me to move someone because of an inop entertainment system or crying baby, or even when someone asks me if they can move to an empty seat that they see, I have no problem reminding the huffing and puffing people aroud them that it's not their seat or their decision.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:35 am

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
The individual was very demanding that I give up my seat, and said numerous times that I was very rude for not doing so. He/She gave up after about five minutes with me leaning over all seats and physically blocking the seat he/she wanted to sit in.

I was being courteous, and addressed the individual politely and formally but firmly. Individual was in his/her 60's, I am in my 20's.

What atrocious behaviour. Courteous and polite in which universe?

What's the he/she all about, couldn't you tell? If it was a woman that is even more disgusting behaviour.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 4):
I would have sat down anyway and told you to piss off.

  

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
First come first serve
Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 3):
First come first serve
Quoting ATTart (Reply 5):
first come first serve

It is first come, first served
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:51 am

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP but some of you are missing some important info: The flight was 1/2 empty!

So now I ask, playing the devils advocate: Why would the 60 year old individual, out all of the other available seats, come up to the OP and demand for his seat for? What exactly is wrong with the other seats that were empty? Why does the 60 year old individual want to sit next to the OP? The seats in coach are nearly all the same, why is this one so special to the 60 year old individual?

I mean, these are some things to think about here.....

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 21):
Since when was someone in their 60's elderly?

I was just about to ask the same thing. Folks in their 60's don't qualify for the senior citizen discount...yet, IMO of course. My definition of elderly is somewhere 75 and older.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:52 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 27):
I mean, these are some things to think about here.....

Yet who in their right mind would stand there in the aisle and argue with someone for 5 (!) minutes - if there actually was a similar free seat available in the area? I don't buy it.

And even if there was another row nearby, with a similar free seat and also only one pax seated at the other end, then what difference would that make and on what basis would the op be entitled to deny the older gentlemen his choice of rows? And what if there's another sprawled out 20 year old laying there who's just as rude? Does the 60 year old get kicked around half the cabin for an hour before someone is gracious enough to let him/her share the row?

I also don't agree with the "elderly" comment, but I find it outrageous that a 20 year old denied a 60+ person (could even have been a woman, it's apparently a secret) a more spacious seat - just so the 20 year old can claim the whole row and spread out and sleep. That's plain 'ol selfish and inconsiderate in my book.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:44 pm

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
He/She gave up after about five minutes with me leaning over all seats and physically blocking the seat he/she wanted to sit in.

I was being courteous, and addressed the individual politely and formally but firmly. Individual was in his/her 60's, I am in my 20's.

Physically blocking the seat from someone does not make for courteous behavior, in my book. You were downright rude and had no right to do what you did, unless you had paid for those other two seats. You paid for one seat, you get one seat. No more.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:52 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 26):

It is first come, first served

No it is not!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not if it is a full flight.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:24 am

Quoting ATTart (Reply 30):
No it is not!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not if it is a full flight.

  

I meant the saying. It is served, not serve.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:26 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 31):


I meant the saying. It is served, not serve.

Cool, no worries..   
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:48 pm

Now that the entire forum is recognizing that the original poster has nothing to complain about and in fact is the selfish one that is at wrong here, where did he go? I would really like to hear his feelings on this now that he has had some time to reflect on this and to hear others opinions. I would be so angry if I was that older person and was treated like that.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:34 pm

Quoting jkj777 (Reply 33):
I would be so angry if I was that older person and was treated like that.

But......

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 27):
The seats in coach are nearly all the same, why is this one so special to the 60 year old individual?

Can you answer that, kjk777??
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:21 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 27):
The flight was 1/2 empty!

In which case there may still have been another empty row of 3 seats elsewhere that the OP could have moved to!
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:04 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 27):
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP but some of you are missing some important info: The flight was 1/2 empty!

We must take the word from the OP on that and who is to say "Half-empty" is exactly "Half"? Besides, even at "Half Empty", if there are 9 seats across on a 3-3-3, 4 to 5 of those seats will be filled on average. meaning there were still 1-2 people sitting in each row block of 3 already (statisically anyway even if not reality). All other rows of 3 that were empty when the boarding door closed could have been taken, and thus there may not have been another empty row of 3 for this gentleman to move to.

We also don't know why it was half empty - it could have been minimal bookings. It could have been because of a ton of miss-connects like when I flew CVG-FRA a couple years ago. Plane was booked pretty solid but due to miss-connects from t-storms our flight went out around half-full.

Quoting kmh1956 (Reply 29):
You paid for one seat, you get one seat. No more.

  
I've never seen a clause in the Contract of Carriage that says "If the other seats in your row are vacant when the boarding door closes, they are yours for the entire flight", but I could be wrong...
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:10 am

Once I was flying in Y on a very empty JFK-MXP flight. Upon boarding (I was elite and so I boarded the Y cabin well ahead of everybody else), the FA came up to me (I never said anything) and simply gave me the number of an empty row and told me to sit in the middle seat, so that I could have it all to myself.

Very nice of her.

I think its common courtesy not to move into an empty row occupied by one other person. Yes, its not "their" row, but they lucked out and one should respect that.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:07 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 34):
Can you answer that, kjk777??

That may have been the only place that the 60 year old saw that there were a few empty seats. Some of the other passengers probably took the middle seat to deter others from wanting to sit there. Either way, the op is at fault here and wanted control of something that was not his to begin with. Too bad that some people have entitlement issues....
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:59 am

Sorry, I don't agree with you at all. You only paid for one seat. You did not reserve the entire row for yourself. I don't care if the plane was half empty. As was mentioned before, that passenger had the same rights as you to take the seat that they wanted in your row. You are rude, selfish person. Take note of what other people have said here too and buy yourself a freakin' business class seat next time.

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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:13 pm

Quoting jkj777 (Reply 38):
Either way, the op is at fault here and wanted control of something that was not his to begin with.

You say this....

Quoting jkj777 (Reply 38):
Some of the other passengers probably took the middle seat to deter others from wanting to sit there.

Then you say this.... are you now saying that the other pax is in the wrong, too? If that is the case, then you should point that out as well.

Quoting jkj777 (Reply 38):
Too bad that some people have entitlement issues....

I agree with you.

Quoting CanadianDC10 (Reply 39):
You are rude, selfish person.

C'mon... be nice. He asked this in the very first sentence, in case you missed it:

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
What is the unwritten rule if you get lucky and find yourself with an empty seat row in coach?

He was simply asking. I think that is fair to ask. But his actions was not correct. So I have to give him some slack on this, even though he was in the wrong. I am sure he is reading this thread and now knows his actions was not appropriate. Everybody learns..... and I am sure he won't do this again in the future.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:29 pm

I think if he's lucky to have three seats in a row to himself, then he has to eat three airline dinners.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:39 am

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):

Reason for asking, is that 1.5 hours into a flight, a fellow passenger decided to sit on the opposite aisle seat of my row (middle row of 777 , 3-3-3). I was quick enough to stop the individual from just sitting down without asking, and politely said I was planning to sleep that night (12 hour flight). The individual was very demanding that I give up my seat, and said numerous times that I was very rude for not doing so. He/She gave up after about five minutes with me leaning over all seats and physically blocking the seat he/she wanted to sit in.

You were a jerk the guy was right. You only bought one seat. I'm assuming the other guy was in a middle or an otherwise undesirable seat so it was pretty selfish of you to think that for some reason you deserved several seats to yourself.
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:44 pm

Quoting MeridianBUF (Thread starter):
with me leaning over all seats and physically blocking the seat he/she wanted to sit in.

I was being courteous,

Not by physically blocking the seat, you weren't.

Quoting jbrusnak (Reply 2):
So you basically were suggesting that three other people should be miserable so you could have an awesome flight. Luck or not, that seems selfish to me.

Exactly.

Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 3):
Sounds like the guy thought because he was older than you, you shouldnt tell him no. I'm 14 so i get that A LOT. The seat was yours and you said no and he should have left (or paid extra for buisiness class) First come first serve.

You sound like a huge jerk. Grow up.
 
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RE: Empty Seat Row Courtesy

Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:12 pm

Quoting nycflyer (Reply 43):
Quoting lxmd11 (Reply 3):
Sounds like the guy thought because he was older than you, you shouldnt tell him no. I'm 14 so i get that A LOT. The seat was yours and you said no and he should have left (or paid extra for buisiness class) First come first serve.

You sound like a huge jerk. Grow up.

  
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