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What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:00 am

Counting down to my first Business Class flight, I guess I'll have to know more about the Business Class world. Therefore, what do you guys normally wear when flying in those premium classes? I've seen people wearing very casually (pants, shirt) in Business Class but I've not really seen what people wear in First Class.

How would you think if someone just dress themselves up in a t-shirt, three quarters and a pair of flip flops and sit comfortably in Business Class? I *might* plan to do that instead of wearing jeans. 
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:47 am

In First and Business I wear smart casual lose fitting clothes, with slip on shoes, no laces.

Not jeans or tight t-shirts, light cotton. But always take a jumper or coat as sometimes it can get mighty cold, especially during night flights while your sleeping.

Hope that gives you some idea.

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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:49 am

Depending on your trip length I would suggest whatever you are comfortable with. I don't understand the flip flops though. In an emergency you would need some other shoes.
 
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:57 am

I've been in F and J in t-shirt and jeans without any issues. Also been in t-shirt and bermudas during summer time.

My personal opinion is as long as you're decently dressed (eg. clean and tidy), casual clothing in J or F won't be a problem. Ultimately, it's how you carry yourself that matters  


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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:31 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
I don't understand the flip flops though. In an emergency you would need some other shoes.

That's what I thought too, probably I'll slip on some sports shoes. =)

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
sometimes it can get mighty cold, especially during night flights while your sleeping.

I'm traveling on a day flight, but thanks for the tip!

Quoting KFly (Reply 3):
I've been in F and J in t-shirt and jeans without any issues. Also been in t-shirt and bermudas during summer time.

I guess I know what to wear now, thanks!
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:28 pm

If your paying for F class i hardly think you are going to be turned away.
 
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:20 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
But always take a jumper

This should be Cashmere, and worn next to the skin.  
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:53 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
I don't understand the flip flops though. In an emergency you would need some other shoes.

I agree. Also, I always keep my shoes on for takeoffs and landings, in case of an emergency evacuation.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:08 pm

If you're paying you can wear whatever you like. If you're nonrev then you should dress casual smart minimum. You shouldn't feel like you're dressing to impress the other passengers, if you paid for it you can fly in whatever you want.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:50 pm

I believe there are still a few airlines (none of the American ones) that still have a dress code for revenue first class pax kinda like how some restaurants require gentlemen to wear a jacket.

I generally wear comfortable business casual. A pair of slacks with a cashmere cardigan layered over a nice but comfortable top so I have can warm up cool down as needed. Sometimes I'll wear nice jeans with heels and a cute fitted jacket.
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Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:24 pm

Normally just wear whatever I happen to be wearing that day. If I'm going to/from work immediately on either end of the flight, I'll wear slacks and a dress shirt. If I'm flying for leisure, I'll wear jeans and a t-shirt.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:34 am

By your title are you inferring you should wear something different because you're flying premium?

There's no need to dress up. I've flown international F in shorts, t-shirt and flip-flops as it was an overnight flight and wanted what was most comfortable. Was treated exactly the same as any other passenger in the cabin, as it should be.

I'm sure you'll have a couple of people who will say it is direspectful/indicative of the society of today/out of place or similar to not wear bespoke Gieves & Hawkes & John Lobbs in premium cabins...frankly they're out of touch. Flying is only special if you want it to be special. When you take your flight look around you and you'll see plenty of people dressed not differently to those in economy.

Quoting iairallie (Reply 9):
I believe there are still a few airlines (none of the American ones) that still have a dress code for revenue first class pax kinda like how some restaurants require gentlemen to wear a jacket.

Only for non-revenue passengers.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:00 am

Quoting tk747 (Reply 5):
If your paying for F class i hardly think you are going to be turned away.

That's not the point. You should dress appropriately for the class of travel

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 6):
This should be Cashmere, and worn next to the skin.

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Quoting iairallie (Reply 9):
I generally wear comfortable business casual. A pair of slacks with a cashmere cardigan layered over a nice but comfortable top so I have can warm up cool down as needed. Sometimes I'll wear nice jeans with heels and a cute fitted jacket.

  
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:17 am

Quoting KFly (Reply 3):
I've been in F and J in t-shirt and jeans without any issues.

Same here, when I pay for my ticket as a revenue pax, it is always jeans and tee-shirt. If I am non-reving, then I dress to the airline's minimum required dress code for F.
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:27 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Same here, when I pay for my ticket as a revenue pax, it is always jeans and tee-shirt. If I am non-reving, then I dress to the airline's minimum required dress code for F.



Can I ask you a question.

Why do you travel in jeans and a t-shirt when you pay for own ticket but yet you dress in the airlines minimum code when non- reving

Why wouldn't you always want to dress in the minimum standards for the airlines reputation etc??

Sounds like double standards to me.

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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:55 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Why wouldn't you always want to dress in the minimum standards for the airlines reputation etc??

Sounds like double standards to me.

How is it anything to do with the airline reputation? If anything it makes you look bad, not the airline. I've seen people fly in economy in shirts and trousers and I've seen 10 year old kids in envoy on US in ripped jeans and a baggy sweatshirt. If you pay for it, you are allowed to dress however you like. I've walked into some of the best hotel chains in the world in a pair of old jeans, battered and muddy converse trainers with a t-shirt with a moderately offensive slogan on it partly covered up by a hooded sweatshirt (No, i'm not one of these "emos", it's just how I dress. I'm far too fat to wear skinny jeans  ) and they still called me sir and I'm only 17 even now, and this was a few years back. I remember walking into the Paris Hilton (No, not her, the hotel  ) in jeans and a hooded sweatshirt that said "I don't skinny dip, I chunky dunk!". Not very appropriate for that type of hotel but I wasn't treated any differently.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 12):
That's not the point. You should dress appropriately for the class of travel

Sorry mate, it's not the 50's and 60's any more. People just don't dress up to go flying any more, and they shouldn't. It's just a way to get from A to B now. A plane is just a glorified bus these days.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:37 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 15):
How is it anything to do with the airline reputation?

Because, believe it or not some people care about there appearance and of those around them.

You are obviously one of the ones that don't give a toss and that's your right.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 15):
I've walked into some of the best hotel chains in the world in a pair of old jeans, battered and muddy converse trainers with a t-shirt with a moderately offensive slogan on it partly covered up by a hooded sweatshirt (No, i'm not one of these "emos", it's just how I dress. I'm far too fat to wear skinny jeans ) and they still called me sir and I'm only 17 even now, and this was a few years back. I remember walking into the Paris Hilton (No, not her, the hotel ) in jeans and a hooded sweatshirt that said "I don't skinny dip, I chunky dunk!". Not very appropriate for that type of hotel but I wasn't treated any differently.

Good for you. I like nice clothes and if I'm staying in an up market hotel or traveling First or Business class then I dress appropriately.
I was recently in a reasonably $$$ bar lounge where there was a guy mid 20's dressed in thongs daggy dirty shorts and a singlet, I guarantee you that nearly every other person was looking at this guy thinking what the .....he looked so out of place it wasn't funny, I actually got the impression that people felt embarrassed for him.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 15):
Sorry mate, it's not the 50's and 60's any more. People just don't dress up to go flying any more, and they shouldn't. It's just a way to get from A to B now. A plane is just a glorified bus these days.

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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:52 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Sounds like double standards to me

It is and that is the way it should be. When you non-rev you are representing your airline and should dress and act accordingly, but if you are paying to fly on your own it is a bit different. Personally, I would act the same, but for some people it may be different.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 12):
You should dress appropriately for the class of travel

I would suspect that the people who dress up to fly in a premium cabin are probably people who rarely fly there. I would prefer to blend in and look like I belong.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:43 pm

I would be upset if I paid $7,000 -$10,00 one way to fly to Europe and sat next to a person who looks like s/he just got off the beach.

If exclusive restaurants and night clubs and other venues have a dressed code, I don't know why airlines wouldn't enforce a similar standard. I don't think men, for instance, should have to wear suits, but shorts and flip flops should be prohibited. People would actually gravitate to an exclusive atmosphere and willingly would pay for it-like a status symbol. Like a Club 54 in the air.

People who dress down for first class/business have an exaggerated sense of self worth and intentionally display a lack of respect for their fellow passengers and I suspect that they are usually difficult pasengers.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:34 pm

I don't like to look cheap at any time. At home or in private is OK but outside of that I like to look respectable.

Jeans, T.shirts and baseball caps make people look cheap especially when they are not clean. You see quite a few of these types in premium cabins nowadays, sometimes women with dirty hair and bad makeup... baaahhhh...

People should pay a minimum attention how they dress when they fly especially if they seat up front. I prefer to see somebody wearing a suit or even smart pants with a nice polo shirt than these stereotyped jeans and t.shirt types. It looks so ordinary. If they want to fly in style why don't they follow a dress code?

If they can pay for premium classes they can afford to buy nice clothes. How do they dare holding a glass of Krug with ordinary clothing on them? Shorts and flip-flops are for the beach. It all looks so "banlieu" low class.

You are given PJs and amenity kits on the long haul night flights and generally a polo shirt during long haul day flights that you can change to and slippers as well so you don't have to feel up tight during the flight.

You don't walk into a Michelin 3 starred restaurant wearing jeans and a t.shirt. It should be the same on flights.
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:13 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Why do you travel in jeans and a t-shirt when you pay for own ticket but yet you dress in the airlines minimum code when non- reving

There is a difference between paying for your ticket as a revenue pax and paying a small service charge as a non-rev. When I travel on AS in F, I always pay for my own ticket, never non-rev. I feel more comfortable in jeans and a tee-shirt, which is a matter of personal preference. That is just me. When I have to absolutely non-rev in F on another carrier (or coach class, as well) then I will adhire to the non-rev dress policy for that one airline that I am traveling on.

Keep in mind, the differences between non-rev and revenue travel. They are not the same thing and serves different purposes.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Sounds like double standards to me.

It isn't. One is a personal preference (comfort) and one is a requirement.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 15):
If you pay for it, you are allowed to dress however you like.

  

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 15):
Sorry mate, it's not the 50's and 60's any more.

   Times have certainly changed, of course.
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:20 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
Jeans, T.shirts and baseball caps make people look cheap

Standard for me is jeans and a nice T-shirt or polo shirt. I would never wear sweats to travel since they just don't have enough pockets for everything.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:33 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
I don't like to look cheap at any time. At home or in private is OK but outside of that I like to look respectable.

Jeans, T.shirts and baseball caps make people look cheap especially when they are not clean. You see quite a few of these types in premium cabins nowadays, sometimes women with dirty hair and bad makeup... baaahhhh...

People should pay a minimum attention how they dress when they fly especially if they seat up front. I prefer to see somebody wearing a suit or even smart pants with a nice polo shirt than these stereotyped jeans and t.shirt types. It looks so ordinary. If they want to fly in style why don't they follow a dress code?

If they can pay for premium classes they can afford to buy nice clothes. How do they dare holding a glass of Krug with ordinary clothing on them? Shorts and flip-flops are for the beach. It all looks so "banlieu" low class.

You are given PJs and amenity kits on the long haul night flights and generally a polo shirt during long haul day flights that you can change to and slippers as well so you don't have to feel up tight during the flight.

You don't walk into a Michelin 3 starred restaurant wearing jeans and a t.shirt. It should be the same on flights.

MadameConcorde, welcome to my respected member's list. I could not have expressed this any better myself.

The only other thing I will add to this is that the more care you put into your dress, the better you are treated by other people, meaning the various ancillary people on the ground, not necessarily just the airline staff. Smiling, and being polite, help too.
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:53 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21):
I would never wear sweats to travel since they just don't have enough pockets for everything.

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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:58 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):
I was recently in a reasonably $$$ bar lounge where there was a guy mid 20's dressed in thongs daggy dirty shorts and a singlet, I guarantee you that nearly every other person was looking at this guy thinking what the .....he looked so out of place it wasn't funny, I actually got the impression that people felt embarrassed for him.

Yes, but the point is that in that situation dressing down was not acceptable. In a premium cabin nobody would look down at you or consider you out of place if you wore jeans/t-shirt/shorts etc. A lot of premium cabin passengers don't dress up for the experience, in part because on any airline worth its salt you are supplied with pyjamas anyway.

On a plane you aren't sitting down for a Michelin star quality meal, you're sitting down to have a comfortable journey in an aluminium tube. If the airline go to extraordinary lengths to make the experience as comfortable as possible it makes sense I make myself as comfortable as possible too. Why do some of you deem it uncouth to dress down in economy but not in business or first? Would you dress up in a suit to shop at Barneys too? Or put on some quality threads to visit a high end car dealership?

Quoting vhtje (Reply 22):
The only other thing I will add to this is that the more care you put into your dress, the better you are treated by other people, meaning the various ancillary people on the ground, not necessarily just the airline staff. Smiling, and being polite, help too.

That's bull. If someone treats me badly because of the way I dress that reflects worse on them than it does me. I'm a polite and patient person and that counts for a hell of a lot more than the collection of threads I put on in the morning.

Should the person driving the Ferrari be given preferential treatment because they drive a nice car? That's tantamount to what you are saying.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:36 pm

Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 24):
That's bull. If someone treats me badly because of the way I dress that reflects worse on them than it does me. I'm a polite and patient person and that counts for a hell of a lot more than the collection of threads I put on in the morning.

Should the person driving the Ferrari be given preferential treatment because they drive a nice car? That's tantamount to what you are saying.

I'm not passing comment on the morals or otherwise of judging someone based on their appearance. What I am stating is that it does happen. You clearly do not like the thought that someone is making judgements about you and hence treating you in a particular manner because of the way you are or are not dressed. Fine. But don't confuse that with denying that it happens. It most certainly does, and possibly in certain parts of Britain more than anywhere else, I should think.

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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:52 pm

Knowing I am in F rather than the last minute up-grade, I wear a sport jacket over a golf shirt and slacks with comfortable dress shoes. On weekends, golf shirt, jeans and clean tennis shoes.
Never sandels or flip-flops and never shorts....Shorts are saved for Y class,
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:16 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):
Because, believe it or not some people care about there appearance and of those around them.

You are obviously one of the ones that don't give a toss and that's your right.

I do care about what I look like - I'm always showered if I'm going out (I'll skip it if I'm staying at home but I will never wait more than 2 days for a shower), I iron my clothes, I don't smell bad and my hair isn't scruffy and if it's short enough it's neatly spiked up. Just because I prefer jeans and a t-shirt with a pair of converse (usually they are clean by the way, at the time I'd just walked through a muddy puddle in the dark) it doesn't make me "untidy". I own smart clothes, I just don't wear them to fly. I fly to be comfortable, not to look nice and be uncomfortable. I'm definitely not going flying in a pinstripe shirt with a skinny white tie with nice trousers and smart shoes on, that's for sure. I'm not flying to a business meeting though, so that's probably why I dress casually. If people around me want to dress like slobs, that's their problem, not mine.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):
Not up the front it isn't !

To be fair, I'm a 17 year old unemployed student. I can only dream of even premium economy, never mind first class. I've only ever walked through Business or First  

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Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:32 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
You don't walk into a Michelin 3 starred restaurant wearing jeans and a t.shirt.

1. You aren't faced with the prospect of having to spend 12+ hours in the restaurant.
2. You don't need to sleep in the restaurant, or otherwise be tired when trying to conduct business.
3. You don't need to remove your shoes or metal objects from your person while in a restaurant.
4. Going out to eat does not require you to walk long distances, while possibly carrying baggage.

Traveling, especially long distances, is stressful. Comfort and practicality should win out every time. Wear something that you can be comfortable for long periods of time, is climate appropriate, does not require a ton of effort at security, shoes that are comfortable for walking long distances and has enough pockets for everything that you need but able to keep metal objects concentrated in one or two pockets. It is more important to act like you belong rather than dressing to impress, since I imagine no one cares anyway. If you really must demonstrate your importance, whip out your Blackberry, but put it away when the FA says to.

This does not mean that you should wear jeans that are full of holes, flip flops, and above all that you do not have to shower.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:46 am

Quoting vhtje (Reply 22):
The only other thing I will add to this is that the more care you put into your dress, the better you are treated by other people, meaning the various ancillary people on the ground, not necessarily just the airline staff.

I disagree. Dressing up for F as a non-rev vs. dressing causal in nice jeans and a nice tee-shirt in F, I get treated no differently. Nobody cares, really. They will only care if you have not showered or you are dressed like a bum living under the Alaskan Way Viaduct in Downtown Seattle.   
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Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:08 am

I like dressing nice I like being comfortable you can do both. Besides I'm a single gal and I never know who I'm going to sit next to or meet at the airport. I've had some nice dates come out of looking good as a passenger.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:51 pm

Quoting vhtje (Reply 22):
MadameConcorde, welcome to my respected member's list. I could not have expressed this any better myself.

Thank you!  
Quoting iairallie (Reply 32):
I like dressing nice I like being comfortable you can do both. Besides I'm a single gal and I never know who I'm going to sit next to or meet at the airport.

I happened to meet some most amazing people on flights, mostly Concorde, but others too and not only on flights. I got to see them afterwards, it led to invitations to most incredible places, which I will always thank them for.

I do not like sloppy looks. It does not need to be Vuitton and Versace, the Rolex and all the cliché items. It can look good and stay simple. There is no need to be a fashionista and look like you are out of a picture in Vogue. I worked in the fashion world at one time. I was walking on podiums in fashion shows. It was an easy way to earn money and it paid for my trips. A lot of it is just show off and can't be worn by just anyone. Sometimes it's art but it is rare.

I believe there has to be decency, especially if you want to be in the higher classes. It is different if you hire your own private jet. Then you do what you want. You can get your own Keith Richads devastated look or wear jeans with holes in them it doesn't matter.

I would say to the sloppy snobs who want to play high flyers, hire your own private jet. Don't use regular airliners. Remember that flying in First Class on a regular flight is public transport so be respectful of others. You may travel for your own pleasure but there are some sitting next to you who will have to seal contracts and making money for their companies. They have earned their First Class seats and Honorary Circle frequent flyer status the hard way.

I would say no jeans and t.shirts in F. It is not appropriate. You would not do it on a Pan Am flight with Jacqueline Kennedy in the cabin. They would not let you.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:15 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 34):
It can look good and stay simple.

That is the whole point to a nice pair of jeans and a nice tee-shirt and clean sneakers. I fail to see how this is a problem in F.    I don't care what other people wear. I am traveling, not having a party in F.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 34):
You would not do it on a Pan Am flight with Jacqueline Kennedy in the cabin. They would not let you.

Back then, you may be correct. But times have definitely changed. It is now tolerated across the board nowadays.
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Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:39 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 35):
That is the whole point to a nice pair of jeans and a nice tee-shirt and clean sneakers.

Still jeans and still a t.shirt. Totally stereotyped, completely un-original and un-First Class. It brings F to the Y level.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 35):
But times have definitely changed.

In regard to etiquette, certainly not for the better.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 35):
It is now tolerated across the board nowadays.

The fact that it is now tolerated does not mean it is a good thing.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:50 pm

MadameConcorde, no rudeness is intended here, but do you not think people have the right to wear what they like if they pay so much for the experience? If I paid 20K return on Concorde, I'd wear whatever I liked - I paid enough for the right to wear jeans and a t-shirt (but by no means in a slobby manner, there is a difference). Equally, if somebody was dressed to the nines in Y, you wouldn't be offended by their apparent high social status, would you?

Keith Moon, of The Who bought a Rolls Royce once, and promptly painted it with house paint in lilac. Very working class thing to do to a very expensive car. Nobody complained as it was his money, his car and his free will. I fail to see the difference between that and flying in F in jeans and a nice polo shirt. I can understand if somebody got on wearing flip flops, swimming trunks and a Hawai'ian shirt, but jeans and a polo shirt can look respectable. It's not always a way of saying "I'm cheap, I don't care what I look like".
 
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:32 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 34):
You would not do it on a Pan Am flight with Jacqueline Kennedy in the cabin. They would not let you.

I think this sums it up, you're living in the 1960s...

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 34):
I would say to the sloppy snobs who want to play high flyers, hire your own private jet. Don't use regular airliners. Remember that flying in First Class on a regular flight is public transport so be respectful of others.

Why does being respectful of others solely consist of the clothes I choose to wear? I am respectful of others but in other ways.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 34):
You may travel for your own pleasure but there are some sitting next to you who will have to seal contracts and making money for their companies. They have earned their First Class seats and Honorary Circle frequent flyer status the hard way.

So because I'm paying for an F ticket myself I'm a second class, first class passenger? I've earned my right to flying F on my own dime the hard way too!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 36):
Still jeans and still a t.shirt. Totally stereotyped, completely un-original and un-First Class. It brings F to the Y level.

So enlighten me, what is a 'Y level'?

I guess based on what you're saying I should ensure that anyone that rides in my Mercedes S Class should be dressed up, and any other way and it is dragging it down to a Kia Rio...
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:52 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 36):
Still jeans and still a t.shirt. Totally stereotyped, completely un-original and un-First Class. It brings F to the Y level.

Madame, with all due respect: IMHO you are unfairly stereotyping passengers that fly premium classes and choose to dress in a more comfortable fashion.
I have seen and experienced "suits" and "madams" in premium classes with couth that would set sea sailors blush. Etiquette can be a double-edged sword. Also, true class can never be bought.

If your clothes are neat and clean, you bathed before your flight and you treat the cabin crew and fellow passengers with respect, why on earth shouldn’t you be allowed in premium classes? Especially if you forked out thousands of dollars for a premium class seat?!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 34):
You would not do it on a Pan Am flight with Jacqueline Kennedy in the cabin.

With all due respect Mam; Mrs. Kennedy passed away and Pan Am folded - it is a closed chapter.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 34):
I would say to the sloppy snobs who want to play high flyers, hire your own private jet. Don't use regular airliners. Remember that flying in First Class on a regular flight is public transport so be respectful of others. You may travel for your own pleasure but there are some sitting next to you who will have to seal contracts and making money for their companies. They have earned their First Class seats and Honorary Circle frequent flyer status the hard way.

Could you kindly explain who the sloppy snobs are - people that are for instance wearing jeans and T-shirts? Once again you draw parallels between "sloppy snobs" and people who are dressed in suits. I'm sorry to say that I find your choice of words in the last quote slightly disrespecting towards people that do not choose to travel with suits and Louis Vuitton apparel.

All passengers that paid for premium seats and earned frequent flyer status should be treated with equal amounts of respect.   


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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 37):

Why does being respectful of others solely consist of the clothes I choose to wear?

   If you dress nice but don't act the part, you won't fool anyone.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
It brings F to the Y level.

F level is not a style of dress, it is a price. A price that people in first class pay to get there that differentiates it from Y class, not how anyone dresses.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
You may travel for your own pleasure but there are some sitting next to you who will have to seal contracts and making money for their companies.

I am sure that such people also dress comfortably, since they also want to be comfortable and the flight may be the only downtime they have before having to do business in a jetlagged state. Personally, I would far, far prefer sitting next to someone who has showered and acts the part of a respectable person while wearing jeans and a t-shirt than next to a slob in an expensive suit.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:39 pm

Last year when non-revving on Air Canada, I flew in First wearing flip-flops, ripped denim jeans and a t-shirt demanding legalisation of cannabis. It certainly turned a few heads 
 
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:07 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 38):
Also, true class can never be bought.

Now thats the best comment of all on this thread !

Wear what you like as long as its not offensive or deliberately making a statement but that applies to F C Y .

I wear either chinos and a open neck shirt or jeans and a shirt. I would never wear a suit I just wouldnt be comfortable travelling in it. On my Swiss Mileage runs I have worn sports gear ) Nike/Puma etc...

The days of Orient Express/QE2/Concorde are gone , society has become more ''inclusive''. Cohesion is in and snobbery is out.

Its nice to dress up and be smart but the way air travel has gone now its not as if your going to a formal dinner on a cruise ship. When I was a kid flying UMNR my parents always put me in my Sunday best but that was 25 years ago not now.

I love my designer wear and J class and my shopping trips to Harrods and New York but I choose what I wear and when. As long as your clean and a decent person thats all that matters to me and I certainly wouldnt judge someone as lower than me because they dont dress in a certain way.

The best example was when I was on a Silversea cruise around the Med. there was a guy at our table who was from a poor family in Brazil. He had worked his way up the hard way and could have bought the ship we were on. He never boasted or pretended to be someone he wasnt. He dressed casual and always looked good, he didnt care who or what you were and treated the cabin stewards the same as the Captain. Now thats the type of person I respect not some spoon fed Oxford ponse.

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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:29 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
Totally stereotyped, completely un-original and un-First Class.

So? Your point? When I am in F, I am traveling, not having a party. There is a difference.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
It brings F to the Y level.

No, it does not. Not in terms of service received.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
The fact that it is now tolerated does not mean it is a good thing.

Your opinion, and that does not mean it is correct.   

Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 37):
I think this sums it up, you're living in the 1960s...

  
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:06 am

This is really a very interesting discussion!
These days I mainly fly business, sometimes first and I wear every day clothing every single time.
Clean jeans, T-Shirt, shirt (not tucked in) and casual shoes...period!

And for the other passengers, pretty much the same what I wear, occasionally I see a 'suit', but it does not take long for the tie to come off, the shoes to come off.....really, whats the big deal?????....some members here really ought to get a life folks!!
 
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:22 pm

This is interesting and we're getting a big, clear division here on opinions.

I wonder if the divide is falling along class lines? Or is that too British of an assumption? Certainly cultural differences are evident and expected: nearly all the Americans have indicated they favour jeans and t-shirt.

I am still flummoxed though in looking at the opinions here, that so many of you deny that people draw conclusions about others based on their appearance. I mean, considering how frequently in my professional life I make use of this fact, (e.g. ditch the suit and throw on a sports coat if the client is rural, power suit up to the hilt if they are city-based professionals, dress down if they are media, etc) it just astounds me.
 
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:00 am

Quoting vhtje (Reply 47):

I think that it is based on age more than anything. I don't think that anyone denies that appearance shapes impressions, but rather that in the case of travel, it just doesn't matter nearly as much as comfort and practicality.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:52 pm

Quoting vhtje (Reply 42):
Certainly cultural differences are evident

That sums this thread up nicely and you are correct.
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RE: What Do You Wear When Flying First / Business?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:04 am

generally i wear jeans and a tee shirt, something comfortable. I have also worn sweat pants, and baseball caps. Although i am fourteen and people give me smirk looks anyway.... 

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