MikeE07
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Window Seats Without Windows?

Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:03 pm

Just today, I arrived in CLT on a AWE 733, and noticed that row six has practically no window at all. The person sitting by the "window" was essentially staring at a blank wall. I was wondering if there were any other aircraft that have this? If so, I would like to know the aircraft, airline, and what row so i can avoid it for future flights...I like my window seats! Thanks!

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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:07 pm

http://www.seatguru.com/

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Sou...thwest_Airlines_Boeing_737-700.php

Seat 7A shows no window. It says if you like a view, choose another seat.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/US_...ways/US_Airways_Boeing_737-300.php

Seat 6A shows no window.

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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:13 pm

It's very common in many planes, specially the newer longer 738/9s. Air conditioning ducts run behind the window-less walls.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:23 pm

*ALWAYS* use SeatGuru before you fly! Always! And yes, lots of aircraft have "window-less" window seats. It's just a design limitation for fuselage joints or ducts / wiring in the walls.
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:24 pm

Delta MD80s have no window on the ABC side of row 13 I think, although could be row 14.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:46 pm

most of DLs 757, 767, and 737 fleet have a couple rows with no windows, I believe the 77L has no windows in row 34?
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:10 am

my first 777 flight ever. SQ77W LAX to SIN. The first seat n economy
No window!!! Rats, but I had like 4ft of leg room so I was happy
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:34 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 3):
*ALWAYS* use SeatGuru before you fly! Always! And yes, lots of aircraft have "window-less" window seats. It's just a design limitation for fuselage joints or ducts / wiring in the walls.

SeatGuru also has a lot of out of date and incomplete information.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:59 am

Thanks...that seat guru is going to be very helpful! I did notice on the 733 that if you leaned forward you could BARELY see through a trace of the window in front of you, but not enough to really matter. Another quick one...does the seating differ according to airline, for example, seating of a DL 737-7 be different from a WN 737-7, or are all 737-7s, etc. the same? thanks again!
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:38 am

Quoting pink77W (Reply 6):
my first 777 flight ever. SQ77W LAX to SIN. The first seat n economy
No window!!! Rats, but I had like 4ft of leg room so I was happy

All 777s have no window in exit rows. You win some, you lose some ...

Almost every aircraft have window seats without windows. Where those seats are may vary from aircraft to aircraft, and from airline to airline, but generally, if you don't choose an exit row and sit aft of the wing leading edge you'll be fine.
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:00 am

Quoting MikeE07 (Thread starter):
I was wondering if there were any other aircraft that have this? If so, I would like to know the aircraft, airline, and what row so i can avoid it for future flights...

Yes. Basically all aircraft have this. On some you have one window instead of two as opposed to none, which is actually a good deal. But on others, simply no window. This is generally close to the wing's leading edge.

I'll get on to compiling a list of all the world's aircraft if you really want... But most will have at least one row with a misaligned or missing window, so I think it's not the most profitable endeavor.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:06 pm

Flew the A380 on QF, LAX-MEL. Personal dime, not work, so I was in coach.

The day before my flight, the coveted 80A seat became open. This is a 3-seat section behind a 2-seat exit row...there is no 79A, so 80A has tons of legroom. However, its' not technically an exit row, so it does not cost extra to get.

On the other hand, it has no window. So you have a choice...extra legroom with no window, or window with no extra legroom. Easy choice for me...and the fact that it's a 16 hour flight, all night-time over water...no brainer. I was able to peek out the window of the guy behind me as we flew over Noumea, New Caledonia and then landfall over Nowra/Bomaderry in NSW, both other than that there was no land from LA to Australia. What's the need for a window?

Best coach flight of my life! So yeah, fairly common.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Qan...ays/Qantas_Airways_Airbus_A380.php


EDIT: Uh, somehow I forgot that 80A DOES have a window. My apologies...forget my whole post  

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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:08 pm

Oh yeah, I also remember flying a Mesaba Saab340 from GFK to MSP about 10 years ago...I had spent 10 days in GFK with next to no sleep, and ended up in Row 2 (or 3?) of the Saab, with no window (next to the prop), and still slept from takeoff to touchdown!
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:39 pm

Another good source is "seatexpert.com" that even without dynamic comments seat rows with no windows are highlighted with a red mark on the fuselage and seats highlighted in shaded colors to be of caution. Both of these seat layout websites are helpful; however, I have used this forum to clarify some specific seat issues not noted on these websites so we help each other out as well.
I personally prefer a window seat - for day or night flying - and will not hesitate to ask if I have any question or concern as to specifics of the seat. I've flown too many non-rev segments in last rows and center seats...I at least appreciate a row with a window!
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:18 pm

That way you have an awesome wall to sleep on.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:21 pm

The last row, (IIRC 17) on KL´s F70 has a blank space to look at. Row 16 has the last window.

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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:04 pm

The exit row on an AA757 have no windows and sad to say I found this out because there was a young couple who had paid extra to have an exit row with a window and t'aint such a thing so me and my partner actually did the right thing and let them have our seats two rows back. Mind you it was later in the evening when we left HNL for LAX and you could not see anything except cloud from the time we got above 3000 metres until the lights of LAX made their ugly appearance at the end of our flight. Sucks to be them.
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:37 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 16):
The exit row on an AA757 have no windows

Depends on the exit row, doesn't it? The forward coach exit row section (door exit) have no windows, but the second coach exit row section (over wing windows) do.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:19 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 12):
Oh yeah, I also remember flying a Mesaba Saab340 from GFK to MSP about 10 years ago...I had spent 10 days in GFK with next to no sleep, and ended up in Row 2 (or 3?) of the Saab, with no window (next to the prop), and still slept from takeoff to touchdown!

Most SF3's indeed lack a window in row 2. Because of the location, this generally does not depend on the configuration of the aircraft... Although I don't know if all airlines start numbering at row 1.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:00 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
It's very common in many planes, specially the newer longer 738/9s. Air conditioning ducts run behind the window-less walls.

On some planes, depending on carrier, that window-less area can also house a lav.

On some CO 738s, that area (on the port-side) is indeed used for a lav.

Quoting MikeE07 (Reply 8):
Another quick one...does the seating differ according to airline, for example, seating of a DL 737-7 be different from a WN 737-7, or are all 737-7s, etc. the same?

The seating in a particular aircraft not only differs by airline, it can also have/offer different seating configurations.

In your example, a DL 73G has dual class (First and Coach) seating whereas WN 73G features all-Coach seating. The placement of the seats with respect to the windows is subject to that and/or the seat pitch.

On a Republic E-170, all the Coach seats are aligned w/the windows; but on a dual-class Compass (DL Connection) E-175, the Coach seats are not fully aligned with the windows.
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:54 pm

Do you guys know which are the "window seats" without any windows on CO 772, 764, 753, 752, 739 and 738?
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:39 pm

I just got off Qantas flight 566 from PER to SYD. (VH-OGB "City of Kalgoorlie")

First thing that annoyed me was the aircraft was changed from an A330 to a B767.

Second thing that annoyed me was that QF paged me in the lounge TWICE and TWICE moved my seat. (Which initially was a nice bulkhead seat). On the second move, the lounge attendant said: "We're very sorry, but I've got a nice window seat for you" (as if I was a small child).

I get on board and 29 A is a blank white wall to stare at for 4.5 hours.

Annoying.
 
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RE: Window Seats Without Windows?

Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:17 am

When I was little I cried when I got a window seat without a window.

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