mulletman101
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A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 3:54 am

Hi there guys, I have just joined this website, and there is so much info, all you guys seem so helpful.

Anyway, at uni we've been given an assignment to do, we are working out some calculations on an A330, 7500km trip with costs per passenger etc. One of the things I need to do is to find a similar flight which I can compare it to. It has to depart from the United States.

I have looked high and low, and cannot seem to find a flight. I will find something, get a bit excited, and then realise they are using a 777 for that route.

I also thought that a large proportion of the members in these forums are from the US.

Thanks so much
 
 
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 4:32 am

I don't know the exact distances, but I recall QF operates 332s on the LAX-AKL hops. Also, I think they were/are used occasionaly on the LAX-SYD. Not sure about the latter though, so please correct me.

Hope it helps, Speedbird741
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 4:41 am

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 1):
Also, I think they were/are used occasionaly on the LAX-SYD. Not sure about the latter though, so please correct me.

Perhaps as a sub, but certainly never on a regular basis. In fact, I don't believe that the 332 can make LAX-SYD nonstop.
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 4:42 am

SFO-NRT with DL and CDG-SEA with AF use 332 and are around 7500km. This link might be useful:
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 4:43 am

First off, welcome to a.net!

With just a cursory look at scheduled 332 flights to/from the USA, I came up with a couple just over 7600 km, but none right at 7500 km. Air Berlin's scheduled MIA-DUS service checks in at 7,617 km by great circle route. Here's a flightaware track for that one.

If you prefer more of a north-south routing, TAM's JFK-GIG route is 7,703 km by great circle route. Again, here's a flightaware track.

Others can probably come up with additional routes that zero in even more on 7,500 km. Hope this helps!
 
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 4:45 am

7500km isn't really that far though. After all, Concorde did the 7050km (or so) from EGLL-TBPB.

It also did EGLL-MYNN.

The data I have shows the A330-200 having a maximum loaded range of 12,500 km; 7,770 mi. So SYD-LAX should be within range of the A330-200 (just).
 
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 4:51 am

two routes come close:
AB operates MIA-DUS with a 332, about 7600km
JJ operates JFK-GRU with a 332, about 7700km
 
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 4:55 am

JFK-GRU on TAM comes in at 7636km, then again, I'm not sure if that is an A332.

That's a tough range to find an A332 flight because most airlines would put the A333 on that short of a route, and most US based will put a 777 on anything longer, that and the fact the number of 777's vs. A330's in the us is quite a bit bigger, not to mention factoring in ALL the other aircraft capable of that route length!

Good question though, will be interested to see the answers.

The closest I could come to a carrier "possibly operating" an A330 on this route would be USAirways on CLT-GRU. It comes in at 7448km.
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 5:04 am

Here is one:

Aeroflot's NYC-Moscow is 7,519 km on A333 though.
 
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 5:11 am

Quoting mulletman101 (Thread starter):
Anyway, at uni we've been given an assignment to do, we are working out some calculations on an A330, 7500km trip with costs per passenger etc. One of the things I need to do is to find a similar flight which I can compare it to. It has to depart from the United States.

7500km is 4050NM...

A332(RR) Reference Landing weight 140,000kg. All units in KG

ALTITUDE TRIP FUEL / ADJUSTMENT / TIME
Adjustment is x KG of fuel per 1,000kg of landing weight difference above 140tons.

4000NM
FL330 44636 / 188 / 9H31
FL350 43466 / 206 / 9H13
FL370 42634 / 206 / 8H59
FL390 41892 / 231 / 8H53
FL410 41365 / 231 / 8H47

4100NM
FL330 45826 / 193 / 9H44
FL350 44721 / 212 / 9H26
FL370 43765 / 212 / 9H11
FL390 42966 / 239 / 9H05
FL410 42477 / 239 / 9H00

Feel free to interpolate for 4050NM (7500km)

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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 5:21 am

BEY-JFK is 9,000km. The Lebanese president uses ME's A332 for his flights to NY.
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 5:33 am

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 1):
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I don't know the exact distances, but I recall QF operates 332s on the LAX-AKL hops. Also, I think they were/are used occasionaly on the LAX-SYD. Not sure about the latter though, so please correct me.

LAX-AKL yes and its about to start up again..... thats 10,500km btw...
LAX-SYD hell no... only chance of that would be as a ferry flight.
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 6:01 am

AF already used the A332 on CDG-KIX/NRT/CAN. Not bad ?
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 7:51 am

Not quite the USA, but you can fly LGW-YVR-LGW on Thomas Cook A330-200s... That route is around 7600km.

Bookable through Air Transat's website.
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Thu May 06, 2010 9:20 am

Quoting mulletman101 (Thread starter):
Anyway, at uni we've been given an assignment to do, we are working out some calculations on an A330, 7500km trip with costs per passenger etc. One of the things I need to do is to find a similar flight which I can compare it to. It has to depart from the United States.

Do not forget, that flights going east-west (either way) are prone to the (positive or negative) influence of jet streams, whereas no such winds prevail when flying north-south (generally speaking) ...

For distances and ranges consult www.gcmap.com or its forerunner http://gc.kls2.com ...
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Mon May 17, 2010 11:57 am

Hi guys. I am sorry for the late reply, I have not had internat access at home for about a week, so havent been able to post on this. Thanks so much for all of the responses. I am so excited about the number, and the breadth of the responses. We ended up going with the San Fran to Tokyo route for our A330-200 series.
I am writing up the report now. The direct costs associated with a 90% payload, single economy class, we worked out to be around $1100US. The fare quoted by delta is $1710US.

Can anyone provide any advice as to why there would be so much of a difference? would this be a route they make high profits on, and others there is little or no margin?

Thanks!!
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Mon May 17, 2010 1:43 pm

EI operated SFO-DUB (8204km) with the A330-200 2007-2009. I know its ~700km over what you need but it's the first that came to my head...
 
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Sat May 22, 2010 10:08 pm

KLM used to fly A332 to Vancouver as well from Amsterdam, but the last time I checked they are flying MD11s now…not sure when they are switching it back, but the trip is around 7724km (4804 miles)
 
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RE: A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop

Sat May 22, 2010 10:15 pm

just realized you only want ones that are leaving for US...

try DFW and ATL, they are 7900 and 7080 km away from AMS

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