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Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 1:11 am

I realize that more than a few a.netters take enormously circuitous routings with numerous connections in order to take as many flights as they can, but for the ordinary traveler such as myself (on average, maybe 5-6 trips by air per year) , connecting is a constant gamble between pleasant layovers and unintended evenings spent in random cities around the country (getting stuck overnight in Kansas City this past March was just my latest reason to never connect unless I have to). In many cases, such as when flying out of BUR, connecting is a necessary evil. However, I have begun to notice an alarming trend of having to connect when it is WAY out of the way. Is this a common trend?

Example 1 - When I was flying EK from JFK to DXB in June 2008, the man sitting next to me was connecting onwards to Syria. The flight from DXB to Syria is about 3 hours long, but right on the way back to New York! Surely a flight through Europe would have saved him at least 7 or 8 hours?

Example 2 - When flying NK DCA-FLL-LAX last Monday (itself a rather out of the way routing) the girl sitting next to me was flying DCA-FLL-ATL! She admitted that it saved her some money, but that the 4 hour layover in FLL on the way to D.C. was terrible (FLL's T4 is absolutely awful). She didn't sound like she would ever consider doing it again, but obviously was given the choice to connect an hour and a half to the South when she was ultimately going North!

Example 3 - My Uncle lives in Miramar Beach, FL which is between VPS and ECP. When heading down to see my parents in RSW, he has to connect all the way up in ATL - at least two hours out of his way. Flying through MCO, TPA, or even MIA would make a lot more sense. Why aren't flights between the Panhandle and South Florida readily available??

Example 4 - My travel plans for a trip to YYZ changed as I would visit the folks in RSW. My Air Canada itinerary already booked, I had to take "Air Canada" out of RSW. Their only option during the summer season is a codeshared connection via IAH (with a 3 hour layover to boot) such that I will leave RSW at 6:30 AM and not get to Toronto until 3:15 PM having to fly RSW-IAH-YYZ. Why aren't they routing people through CLT, PHL, or ORD?

Have any of you had to connect way out of the way for codeshare policies, attractive prices, or other reasons??
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 3:46 am

Last summer I booked MSP-MKE-CVG-STL. But due to a perfect storm of technical delays and bad summer weather, I ended up flying MSP-MKE-MEM-STL, flying directly over my destination and having to backtrack.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 4:17 am

I flew the wrong-way routing PIT-EWR-MCI a few years ago, and PIT-IAH-LHR and back last year. In both cases the price difference was too large to ignore (in the PIT-IAH-LHR case, I think it saved me more than $300 over the next cheapest alternative, and $400 compared to the routing I had initially planned on.)
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 4:38 am

A common one that is churned out by a lot of on-line agents like Expedia is AKL-MNL via HKG.

Last time I was in the US I was routed LGW-DFW-MSY. I would have thought LGW-ORD-MSY would have been more direct.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 12:32 pm

I have unnecessarily used erratic itineraries a few times in the past. The main reason being to fly on/avoid a certain aircraft type.

Some extreme examples are

October 2007 - Going to Murray Bridge to visit my grandmother Instead of flying directly to ADL I flew BNE-LSY-SYD for a ZL Saab 340 stayed in Sydney overnight before flying SYD-ADL spent a good part of the day in Adelaide before taking the coach to Murray Bridge that evening. Returning I took the redeye coach to Melbourne spent a full day in Melbourne before flying MEL-BNE that night.

October 2008 - Flying to Perth I booked BNE-SYD-PER to fly on a 747-300 on the SYD-PER sector. Eventually the 747 was subbed for a 767 so I ending up flying the whole way on 2 back to back 767 sectors something I could have flown nonstop on.

What I generally do to minimise the risk of getting stranded in a strange city is book the connecting flights onto the one PNR where possible that way if there is a disruption in the network the airline can rebook me if necessary. Last august taing QF to CBR it was $200 cheaper (plus an extra 1,000 ff points) to fly via SYD then the nonstop flight that which left around the same time. Boarding the BNE-SYD flight when the flight attendant scanned my boarding pass it rejected it, she told me I had a seat change and go to the service desk for my new boarding pass. I was then handed a Boarding pass for the nonstop flight that was a lot more expensive. I found out from a mate later that the crosswind in SYD that night exceeded the limit for the parallel runways so they were using the single cross runway causing delays and I was rebooked as a precaution. Something that wouldn't of happened if I had 2 separate PNR's

Another time I did a day excursion to NZ's West Coast which consisted of flying CHC-HKK taking a coach to Greymouth then the train back to Christchurch. The connection time in Hokitika between the flight in and the coach out was tight and I had to be back in Christchurch that night as a precaution I booked a HKK-CHC flight several months in advance when it was dirt cheap incase I missed the coach saving me from the prospect of being forced to buy a walk in fare for several hundred dollars. Thankfully I made the coach and didn't need the flight back.



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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 1:36 pm

Award ticket routings can lead to interesting sets of cx. For example:

Origin PHL, Destination PRG
Routing PHL-IAD-BRU-PRG

Origin PHL, Destination CAI
Routing PHL-YYZ-FRA-VIA-CAI

And to save money I've flown SYR-CVG-IAD and back.

I have seen routings on the AA website for NYC-LAX via MIA and NYC-MIA via LAX. Talk about back tracking...

I did fly NYC-DEN as LGA-PHL-LAX-PHX-DEN last year. I did it to work on my dissertation as I am incredibly productive on the plane. I will often do fly abouts to get work done. Combines productivity with my love of flying.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 4:05 pm

Hopefully this summer I will be flying LAS-PHX-BUR or LAS-SLC-BUR instead of LAS-BUR.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sun May 30, 2010 8:54 pm

My fiance told me about flying MCI-ATL-LAX back in high school with her friends to save money.

Just for fun I looked up MCI-CID once and it routed me MCI-BOS-ORD-CID as the cheapest.

Perhaps my favorite was that I was looking to fly MCI-BRE and it routed me MCI-DFW-MEX-FRA-BRE....
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:12 pm

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 4):
The main reason being to fly on/avoid a certain aircraft type.

Last summer I flew DL SFO-ATL-STL as to avoid SFO-SLC-STL, that doesn't sound bad but the SLC-STL was on a CRJ. So I made the trip longer to avoid the RJ.

I flew AA DTW-ORD-FRA last year too. Flew right back over DTW. I would have flown NW, but I was going on a trip with my parents and dad was using his FF miles.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:21 pm

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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:14 pm

Quoting surfandsnow (Thread starter):
Why aren't flights between the Panhandle and South Florida readily available??

PNS used to be served from MCO by DL Connect. I used it for a daytrip to the National Museum of Naval Aviation on NAS Pensacola in 2002.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:29 pm

I generally don't go too far out of my way when connecting. I think the farthest out of my way I've gone would be SMF-IAH-EWR-HAM (both cheaper than the other options, and allowed me to be on the same flight to HAM as my parents) or AVL-EWR-SFO (Award ticket).

I did once fly out of more out of the way airports in order to get an award ticket. Ideally I wanted to do an open-jaw SMF-RDU, CLT-SMF trip, but there were now award tickets available from SMF near the dates I wanted. With a little creativity plus the slight extra cost of getting to the Bay Area, I was able to get OAK-IAH-RDU, and AVL-EWR-SFO. Since I had had to go to AVL for my return flight, I scheduled things so I could hang out in the Asheville area for a few days before going home.

Later this year I probably will book a more out of the way connection on purpose. I usually don't fly enough to get anywhere close to elite status, but thanks to a work trip to India this year I'm *this close* to the lowest level elite status on United. All I have to to get there is fly a Star Alliance airline and take a slightly out of the way routing when I go to visit my parents this fall, like SMF-ORD-MSP instead of the more direct SMF-DEN-MSP.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:26 am

I think its mainly about $$$$.

When I have browsed flight centre's web site for lets say SYD-YYZ or AKL-YYZ I have more than on one occasion gotten the cheapest by far being EY going SYD-AUH-YYZ or AKL-MEL on NZ followed by MEL-AUH-YYZ on EY.

These are 20-30% cheaper than anything through YVR, LAX or SFO on QF, NZ, AC or UA.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:42 pm

When I flew home from school in ROC last year on Delta/NW, I would go through Detroit as doing that was cheaper than the 6am non-stop to JFK. Most non-stops NYC-ROC are around $150 round-trip. Flying through DTW one way made it $160 r/t, but it was better than paying $200+ for the 6am ROC-JFK. That way, I'd get in at 3pm instead of 5pm (the time the next non-stop landed at JFK) (the times were something like that, not sure exactly). Plus, I got DC-9s  

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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:24 am

Quoting surfandsnow (Thread starter):
Example 3 - My Uncle lives in Miramar Beach, FL which is between VPS and ECP. When heading down to see my parents in RSW, he has to connect all the way up in ATL - at least two hours out of his way. Flying through MCO, TPA, or even MIA would make a lot more sense. Why aren't flights between the Panhandle and South Florida readily available??
WN flies ECP-MCO and MCO-RSW.

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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:46 am

To get back to SEA in 2000, I had to take STL-PHX-SMF-SEA on WN. (Plane change in PHX).
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:48 am

I thought DAL-STL-MDW-DTW was fairly direct for me, last weekend I flew BNE-NTL-SYD on an award ticket, in 2 weeks I am flying TPA-MIA-DCA the direct flight won't get me the status and miles I require.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:05 pm

Price rules for a lot of people, myself included to some extent. If you're saving yourself $300 on an airfare and you 'only' have an extended journey time of ten hours, with maybe five of that sat about, then you are saving yourself $30 an hour.

Later this year I will fly BCN-DOH-GRU-EZE and return. Thousands and thousands of miles out of my way, but it was less than half the nearest fare of any other routing.


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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:53 pm

Since Finnair was the cheapest, I flew YYZ-LHR-HEL-ICN instead of YYZ-ICN nonstop. Got three types: BA 777, AY 321 and AY 333, so I was pretty happy.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:10 pm

I remember once when a passenger booked a ticket SMF-SFO-ACV. When he arrived in SFO for his flight to ACV, he found out the flight stopped in SMF so basically his routing was SMF-SFO-SMF-ACV. We got him on a nonstop SFO-ACV flight which left 30 minutes later.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:06 pm

I just non-revved PSP-LAX-SAN-IAD-ALB, because my original intended routing (PSP-LAX-ORD-ALB) would have left me stuck in LAX.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:39 pm

Quoting surfandsnow (Thread starter):
When I was flying EK from JFK to DXB in June 2008, the man sitting next to me was connecting onwards to Syria.

Not many carriers serve Damascus from major European hubs, and service is often only 2 or 3 times a week and almost entirely on narrow-body aircraft..That probably means that fares are going to be high for those routings. EK has twice-daily widebody service DXB-DAM, probably the most service of any carrier serving DAM, including the national carrier Syrianair. EK fares are probably among the lowest for that reason and even with the backtrack, elapsed time may be about the same if the connecting time is short at DXB.

Many people in Europe fly EK (and QR/EY etc.) to Africa, mainly because their fares are usually low, although the routing is at least 1500 miles further than a direct Europe-Africa flight. Saving money is usually more important than time for price-sensitive leisure travellers.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:58 am

I just remembered another one - I wanted to fly from NYC to ABE (no train, I don't have a car, and didn't know about the bus at the time). My routing was LGA-IAD-ABE and return.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:14 am

when i was looking to fly NRT to CDG i think i got NRT-SIN-CDG and then NRT-HKG-CDG, and NRT-YVR-YYZ-CDG
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:17 pm

Was supposed to fly ORD-EWR-SNN with CO last summer (back in their Skyteam days) but due to storms in NYC we would miss our connection so we were bumped onto AF routing ORD-CDG-SNN. On the ORD-CDG leg we flew literally right over mid-western Ireland and beyond for another hour or so only to backtrack again on a 2 hour flight from CDG to SNN.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:38 am

I've done it lots of times.

For example, flying CCS-MIA via DFW to earn miles (although paying a little more). Also, I flew MIA-JFK-LHR-HKG, to earn miles, while I could have taken a shorter route MIA-LAX-HKG or MIA-JFK-HKG. This summer I'm flying MIA-JFK-LHR-CDG-JFK-LAS-MIA (to fly on the A380 LHR-CDG), and also because the available seats on the MIA-CDG and MIA-LHR where terrible.
Anyways, it all depends on the individual and the reasons, but I'm sure many of us here on a.net do it at one time or another.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:56 pm

Quoting VZLA787 (Reply 25):
Also, I flew MIA-JFK-LHR-HKG, to earn miles, while I could have taken a shorter route MIA-LAX-HKG or MIA-JFK-HKG

I did something like this a few years back, simply because I get less jet lagged going WEST than I do going EAST. I went MCI-DFW-LAX-HKG, HKG-PEK, and then PEK-LHR-ORD-MCI.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:54 pm

Many, many times. Just a few examples:

Example 1:
March 2006: MCO-MIA-GSO.
Why? Because AA was the cheapest option. I lived in Daytona Beach too. I left Daytona around 3:00 PM, departed MCO around 6:30, connected in MIA, and then flew north to GSO. It was about 10:00 PM on the flight up to GSO before I had made any progress north.

Example 2:
July 2008: GSO-ATL-JFK-CVG-GSO
Why? Because DL had the military/government contract to fly between GSO and JFK, and the only way to get there was through ATL (And I had to go to JFK to continue on to Turkey, although on Turkish Airways on a completely different ticket). Flying on the GSO-LGA flight and then transferring to JFK via ground transportation wasn't an option.

Example 3:
August and October 2009: MCO-CVG/MSP-DTW
Why? My girlfriend flew down (on the DTW-MCO nonstop) but then had to connect in CVG and MSP going back because it was cheaper - much cheaper.

Example 4:
May 2010: GSO-ATL-PHL
Why? I was flying up for a wedding and had a voucher that was about to expire with DL so I needed to use it. I had to fly 330 miles south, then 670 miles back north to go a net distance of 365 miles or so in the air.

Example 5:
June/July 2010 (coming up): GSO-ATL-DTW
Why? Because the GSO-DTW nonstop was over twice as expensive. But on the plus side, I get to fly on the 777 between ATL and DTW so I'm not complaining.   
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:38 pm

On my way back home to RIC from LGA on Memorial Day, Expedia booked me LGA-ATL-RIC on Delta. The savings was $50 plus I was able to get the extra skymiles. However , my ATL-RIC was cxld (mechincal) resulting in a 5 hour delay and 7,500 skymiles as a courtesy from Delta. Not a bad trip for a $160 ticket.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:27 pm

Some seriously interesting stories you guys have there.

Me and a friend of mine are about to embark tomorrow on MIA-IAD (overnight at my uncles whose just a 10min drive away)
then head out in the morning on IAD-SJU. Flying out of MIA to SJU just isn't an option with the flight loads.

This is just kids stuff to what Im sure many a.nutters have done and will do.
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:39 pm

Quoting surfandsnow (Thread starter):
Have any of you had to connect way out of the way for codeshare policies, attractive prices, or other reasons??

(for contract reasons, had to be done, but also for *A Frequent Flyer points)

CAI SIN SQ SIN JNB SQ JNB LOS SA with connecting flights and a small layover in SIN.

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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:11 pm

My examples:

March 2004

(connecting at an airport located farther away than my destination):

PHL-TOL r/t itinerary on TZ/C8 (weekend visit w/my father who resided in TOL at the time)

Routing PHL-MDW-TOL, TOL-MDW-PHL

Why? TZ was offering a lower fare than either US or NW (who I usually took) at the time.

August 2005

(backtrack to connecting airport)
CO/ExpressJet PHL-EWR-SEA

(going southeast in order to head east)
CO PDX-IAH-PHL*

* Weather-related diversion to SAT, sat for an hour, then headed to IAH.

Why? Expedia offered a decent fare deal for a multi-city itinerary (PHL-SEA, PDX-PHL) via CO.

2006 (not sure what month)

(heading northwest in order to head northeast)

WN BNA-MDW-PHL

Why? Better fare deal and WN did not yet offer PHL-BNA non-stops.

August 2008

(going southwest in order to go northwest)
US PHL-CLT-PDX

(going south in order to go east)

US PDX-LAS-PHL
Why? US' PHL-PDX r/t non-stops were $200 higher than a connection itinerary on US.

More recent (May 2010)

(driving 90 miles south in order to fly to a destination located 300 miles northeast of home)

Drive from PHL area to BWI, fly B6 BWI-BOS

Return leg
Fly WN BOS-BWI, drive back to PHL area

Why? Fare was about 1/2 of what a PHL-MHT or PHL-PVD r/t itinerary would be at the time.
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:55 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 24):
Was supposed to fly ORD-EWR-SNN with CO last summer (back in their Skyteam days) but due to storms in NYC we would miss our connection so we were bumped onto AF routing ORD-CDG-SNN. On the ORD-CDG leg we flew literally right over mid-western Ireland and beyond for another hour or so only to backtrack again on a 2 hour flight from CDG to SNN.

Similar to this - one of my friends years ago flew Dublin to London and met up with a friend and they flew to BOS via FRA. On the way home, the pilot announced that they were over the south east coast of Ireland - and she still had to go to FRA - then LHR - then DUB.

Needless to say, she has taken the most direct route to the US ever since  
 
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RE: Having To Change Planes Way Out Of Your Way...

Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:10 am

When I worked in the UK, I would come home for a week every 7 weeks. Since all direct ATL flights to the UK were ATL-LGW I would fly either ATL-IAD-LHR or ATL-ORD-LHR. The layovers ranged from 1.5 hours in IAD and 3 hours in ORD but the fares were at least half of the direct flights to LGW and since I lived outside Oxford, the time I spent at the airports was better than spending it in traffic on the M25.

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