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Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 1:55 pm

Which major airport is worst in your opinion?


I think PHL-Philadelphia International Airport is.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 1:59 pm

Philadelphia is pretty bad, as is Charles-De-Gaulle and Heathrow. Heathrow just feels like a permanent building site whenever I'm there (which thankfully, isn't very often.).
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 5:33 pm

PHL is a pit, but I find that JFK always finds a way to make a bad experience even worse, and gets my vote.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 5:58 pm

I am with you PGNCS............JFK. As loyal as I try to be towards DL, I will avoid JFK and opt for other hub connections or other airlines to avoid any JFK service. A shame for an airport to have such a poor reputation considering the history and magnitude of operations that was IDL/JFK. It should be a premier facility to welcome travelers to and from the USA.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 7:18 pm

CDG. Unless you speak French very well, long walks pose no problem for you and you like the feeling of being unoriented – then things might be different.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 7:25 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
.JFK. As loyal as I try to be towards DL, I will avoid JFK and opt for other hub connections or other airlines to avoid any JFK service. A shame for an airport to have such a poor reputation considering the history and magnitude of operations that was IDL/JFK. It should be a premier facility to welcome travelers to and from the USA.

But is that because you are flying DL? Their facilities are quite old. Is the experience better in other, newer terminals?
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 7:40 pm

Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

TBIT at LAX is pathetic too.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 9:06 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
But is that because you are flying DL?

I have had uniformly awful experiences at JFK in every terminal: some are nicer than others, but the airport is an operational hole no matter where you are.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 5):
CDG. Unless you speak French very well, long walks pose no problem for you and you like the feeling of being unoriented – then things might be different.

CDG is one of the most needlessly complex and confusing airports in Europe. I agree with you 100% and avoid it (and LHR and FRA, too) in favor of AMS and CPH whenever possible.

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 7):
Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

Again, agreed. MIA is my least favorite airport in the southern US hands down.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun May 30, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 8):

I have had uniformly awful experiences at JFK in every terminal: some are nicer than others, but the airport is an operational hole no matter where you are.

It really depends on which terminal you are. T1, T4, T5 and T8 are the nicer ones. IMO, T1, T5 and T8 are the best ones. T4 is showings its age but its still decent. T7 is way too small. On the other hand, DL's terminal T2/T3 is a piece of garbage.

Bad Airports: CDG, LAX (Not all terminals), PHL, AUH (old one)
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 12:09 am

LHR is without doubt one of the most improved airports in recent years!
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 12:51 am

CDG. My first experience there was after my first ever first class flight, (on CX). It was like stepping from heaven into the sphincter of hell. Awful awful awful.

LAX and SYD also get a vote.

I actually think LHR is OK.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 1:35 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 11):
CDG. My first experience there was after my first ever first class flight, (on CX). It was like stepping from heaven into the sphincter of hell. Awful awful awful.

CDG certainly isn't my favourite airport in Europe (ZRH/MUC/AMS are best in my opinion), but I have connected several times at CDG without any problems. It also depends where you're connecting to/from. When I used AF a few months ago GVA-CDG-YYZ and back, the connections in both directions were in the same terminal (2F) so it was very quick.

If you're departing or arriving CDG, rather than connecting, it is also quite convenient as walking distances between the street level where taxis/buses depart/arrive and check-in, security, and gates on departure (or from bagggae claim on arrival) are much shorter than at many airports.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 2:07 am

LHR--You can add all the shops and all the neat lighting to T3, but that doesn't change the fact that its undersized and incredibly cramped. My longest security wait occurred at T3 connections. Staff were great, but like the lighting and shops, couldn't do anything to actually increase capacity of the terminal. Ceilings are also rather low and claustrophobic. Newer section that is A380-capable is okay. T5 involves a lot of walking, but the limited parts I've seen are nice. I haven't been in T1 in a relevant timeframe. The secure side of T3 needs an overhaul.

FRA--Not filthy or claustrophobic, but I've found it confusing. Poor signage can be a bit difficult to see in the best of circumstances, and some connections involve a seemingly absurd amount of walking as you try to decipher where on earth the signs are leading you. Levels seem to change constantly with only a narrow staircase or abrupt elevator to lead you. For me, connecting @ FRA isn't very intuitive. Friendly staff is ultimately a great help but otherwise I would be lost. A shame, because I like LH.

LAX--connecting from terminal to terminal. T4 is very nice, but it would be great to have to not carry bags from say, TBIT to any other terminal or to have a secure means of going from one terminal to another. I realize LAX is not exclusive in this, but I haven't had to connect elsewhere lately where its like this(ie, JFK where most of my travel has been in one terminal).
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 2:08 am

Ignore my name, however I hardly would call LAX "worst" airport by any margin.

As designed, its really one of the most convenient major US airports to get in and out off. From the curb to gate, or gate to curb in a matter of minutes.
It also consistently ranks for one of the best ontime performance rankings of all major US airports.

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 7):
TBIT at LAX is pathetic too.

You must have not been here in a while.

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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 2:55 am

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 9):
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 8):

I have had uniformly awful experiences at JFK in every terminal: some are nicer than others, but the airport is an operational hole no matter where you are.


It really depends on which terminal you are. T1, T4, T5 and T8 are the nicer ones. IMO, T1, T5 and T8 are the best ones. T4 is showings its age but its still decent. T7 is way too small. On the other hand, DL's terminal T2/T3 is a piece of garbage.

I think you may have missed my point: regardless of the terminal (I think I have been through them all as a crewmember or passenger at one time or another), the entire operation at JFK is what makes it so relentlessly awful. I do generally agree with your points though, and I certainly will be pleased to see T2/3 razed to the ground and something (anything) new there.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 4:23 am

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 7):

Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

Wont be like that for long, MIA will soon be like DTW.

As for the worst major airport I do not connect much but my worst experience would have to be FCO. I have never connected there but I flown into and out of it 4 times and it was a mess every time, lost luggage (in the airport not by the airline), old looking, food options are poor, huge mess in security. Only european airport I do not like.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 5:27 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
You must have not been here in a while.

You are correct, about 18 months. The entire time I lived in LA Bradley was not nice.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 7:10 am

By far the worst airport I have been to is AMM. You must wait outside (in my case, the baking 110 degree heat) until approximately 2 hours before departure. If your flight is delayed (as mine was, for 16 hours) you cannot get inside to talk to anyone - you are told to find your own way to the transit hotel (about a mile or two away from the terminals) and wait there to be "found" when its time to go back to the terminal. The transit hotel makes a sleazy motel next to the strip club on the outskirts of town look nice, but if you refuse to stay there, you run the risk of missing your flight out of the country! Once you finally are let in to the AMM terminal, you go through an endless maze of narrow hallways and security checks to get to a seating area that has nothing more than hard plastic seats (hardly enough for a full A340, mind you, as many of us had to sit on the floor) - I didn't even see bathrooms or drinking fountains, let alone shops and restaurants. Jordan is a wonderful country with great people and tons of amazing things to do, but their international airport makes Heathrow or LaGuardia seem like a godsend.

NAS was almost as bad (a similar maze of grungy hallways and endless security checks, and then completely barren departure concourses with NOTHING in them after leaving the central waiting area) but was a lot friendlier and the large, open central area did have many concessions available.

LGB is awful because its post-security departure areas are little more than cheap trailers with no food or entertainment options available. There isn't even enough seating in them! Getting delayed out of there is terrible. HPN is bad for the exact same reasons.

MCI is great as an O&D passenger, but if you are connecting and want to stay inside security, there is absolutely nothing to do but sit and wait.

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Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
Which major airport is worst in your opinion?


I think PHL-Philadelphia International Airport is.
PHL is actually one of only three major U.S. airports that I have never been to (the others being IAD and HNL). What makes PHL so bad? Surely it can't be worse than my two least favorite American airports LGA and ORD...???

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 2):
I find that JFK always finds a way to make a bad experience even worse
Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
A shame for an airport to have such a poor reputation considering the history and magnitude of operations that was IDL/JFK. It should be a premier facility to welcome travelers to and from the USA.

I completely disagree. JFK certainly WAS an awful airport, with a hodgepodge of cramped outdated terminals, until the new T1 opened in 1998. The advent of T1 then led other tenants to tear down and rebuild such that 4 of the 7 terminals currently in use today are excellent. The two catchall international terminals (T1 and T4) are among the nicest dedicated international facilities anywhere in the country. The vast majority of foreign airlines use these terminals, giving incoming foreign visitors an excellent first taste of our country. JetBlue and American Airlines have also invested huge sums of money in their own terminals, giving domestic travelers equally impressive (or even better) experiences when flying to, from, or through JFK. Delta's pax have to endure the awful T2/T3 complex for now, but in a few years, they too will enjoy a brand new terminal!



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):

But is that because you are flying DL? Their facilities are quite old. Is the experience better in other, newer terminals?

Night and day. DL's terminal is absolutely awful, while the other terminals (except T7) are clean, spacious, and extremely pleasant to use.

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 7):
Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

Have you used AA's new North Terminal (Concourse D)? Other than the cramped Eagle departures/arrivals area (which is only temporary) the place is excellent. Once AA is out of E for good, connecting through MIA will be a breeze.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 8):
Again, agreed. MIA is my least favorite airport in the southern US hands down.

Actually I'd say MIA is (or soon will be) right up there with IAH and ATL. I just connected through FLL (on NK) last week, and that place - Terminal 4 - was MUCH worse than MIA. During the evening (domestic) connecting bank there were so many people in that tiny building you could barely move, incessant announcements that nobody could hear, 20 minute lines for the only bathrooms inside security, and no food other than a cold sandwich stand and a greasy fast food place I had never heard of. I remember T1 (WN) being quite nice and T3 (UA) being okay, but I'd still say FLL would be my least favorite airport in the southern U.S. by far.

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 9):
LHR is without doubt one of the most improved airports in recent years!

Agreed. T5 is as good as any new terminal in Asia or the Middle East and the other terminals are finally getting the renovations that they desperately need. Terminals are now more or less organized by alliance (or lack thereof), making most connections an absolutely breeze.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 7):
TBIT at LAX is pathetic too.

You must have not been here in a while.

I flew in and out of TBIT in March 2007 and was appalled by the place - nothing beyond security save a ghetto hot dog stand, and wires hanging from the unfinished ceiling upon arrival. When did all those renovations get done?

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):

Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

Wont be like that for long, MIA will soon be like DTW.

Concourse J and half of Concourse D are already finished and are excellent. Once the rest of D is built, the airport can turn its attention to E and F...

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
As for the worst major airport I do not connect much but my worst experience would have to be FCO. I have never connected there but I flown into and out of it 4 times and it was a mess every time, lost luggage (in the airport not by the airline), old looking, food options are poor, huge mess in security. Only european airport I do not like.
FCO is certainly terrible - I flew out of the new satellite in the int'l terminal and the place felt like it was 30 years old! The baggage has always taken forever to come out and the entire airport always feels dirty and cramped to me.

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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 7:29 am

Prior to Etihad's new terminal 3 at AUH, AUH airport was one of the worst airports I have ever been. Even with no smoking boards people were smoking freely everywhere, terrible seating, dirty restrooms .. you name it.


Among the airports in the US, IAD was the worst.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 8:00 am

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
I completely disagree. JFK certainly WAS an awful airport

It still is. A pretty terminal does not mean much when the airport is a operational cluster f%@&!

I'd take a trailer (like LGB airport for instance) for the convenience to get in and out easily from with good weather, ample runway and ATC capacity.
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
When did all those renovations get done?

Over the last couple of years as part of the $700mil in renovations. The TBIT facility was actually rechristened just this month.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 11:22 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
Heathrow just feels like a permanent building site whenever I'm there (which thankfully, isn't very often.).

Other then in T2 which is getting redeveloped, where else is LHR a "permanent building site"

T1 3 and 4 have just undergone major redevelopment but have been over for a while now, T2 is getting knocked down and redone so thats only 1 part of the airport, that you don't even see much of...
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 2:43 pm

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 17):
LGB is awful because its post-security departure areas are little more than cheap trailers with no food or entertainment options available.

Yes, but on the plus side, it's small and security is trivial to get through. I loved traveling through LGB because it was the one airport where I could arrive maybe 30 minutes before the flight, and not feel rushed.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 17):
PHL is actually one of only three major U.S. airports that I have never been to (the others being IAD and HNL). What makes PHL so bad?

It depends on how you rate things. Operationally, PHL is a nightmare, and (at least a few years ago) the staff were nasty, evil, and obstructive. The terminals are OK as long as you can stay close by .. B/C to the others, especially A, can be a long long long walk. If you rate by the shops and terminals, and if you fly on a clear blue sky day with nothing going wrong, you might find PHL tolerable.

For my money, PHL and JFK are the worst major US airports.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 3:18 pm

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 17):
people in that tiny building you could barely move, incessant announcements that nobody could hear, 20 minute lines for the only bathrooms inside security, and no food other than a cold sandwich stand and a greasy fast food place I had never heard of. I remember T1 (WN) being quite nice and T3 (UA) being okay, but I'd still say FLL would be my least favorite airport in the southern U.S. by far.

The only time I flew NK I thought this too. T-4 at FLL is WAY too small. It also is old and has no food options. I have used all the terminals at FLL once before and none of them are nice really. Even terminal 1 is small and does not have much to offfer. I think the reason MIA has such a bad rep over FLL is because a lot of people do international connections from MIA and when your coming back into MIA from an international destination its a hard connection to make with costumes and security etc.. But now MIA is a much newer and modern airports then FLL.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 17):
FCO is certainly terrible - I flew out of the new satellite in the int'l terminal and the place felt like it was 30 years old! The baggage has always taken forever to come out and the entire airport always feels dirty and cramped to me.

I flown out of the international satellite and main terminal it was all horrible. And in the main terminal they dont even have windows that you can see anything.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 4:49 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
From the curb to gate, or gate to curb in a matter of minutes.

Oh no. Have you tried to check in at TBIT in the evening rush hour?
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 5:55 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 23):
Oh no. Have you tried to check in at TBIT in the evening rush hour?

Yes flew LH not long ago. From the curb to sitting in the lounge in about 10mins.
Remember your experience can very much depend on your airline, class of service, etc, not the airport set up.

LAX was designed as a local O&D airport. The distances involved from curb to the gate are relative short, no labyrinths of levels or large concourses to navigate.
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Mon May 31, 2010 6:16 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 24):
Yes flew LH not long ago. From the curb to sitting in the lounge in about 10mins.
Remember your experience can very much depend on your airline, class of service, etc, not the airport set up

But have you ever checked in your bag and given it for screening. Those lines can sometimes be very long!
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Mon May 31, 2010 10:00 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 25):
But have you ever checked in your bag and given it for screening. Those lines can sometimes be very long!

When is the last time you flew out of TBIT?

There are no more lines in the lobby for baggage screening. (which many airline had porters do, not the passengers anyhow). TSA opened a 45,000 square foot, $140-million Siemens in-line baggage screening facility.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 10:37 pm

Flying into JFK for the first time, I was looking forward to it, but sadly, the whole experience was horrible. Much nicer travelling through EWR.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 10:42 pm

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 9):
LHR is without doubt one of the most improved airports in recent years!

That would not be particularly difficult considering it was probably the worst major hub in the world. Anyone who has had to suffer an inter-terminal transfer at MNL however will no doubt vote for that as the worst...especially if arriving at T1.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Mon May 31, 2010 11:59 pm

If you wanna talk about bad major international airports, MIA takes the cake. Too long a walk to customs, the staff (for the most part) weren't very helpful in assisting you if it was your first time there and the long walking distances from the security checkpoint(s) to the gates was very long. The upside for me, at least, was that there was a smoking lounge in "D" Concourse that I could go to and light up without having to go into and out of security every hour or so.

YWG, even though it isn't considered 'major' by many standards, is pretty dull, especially when the airport shuts down due to low visibility. Small terminal, not much going on post-security...just genreally blase.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:34 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
You must have not been here in a while.

When were those photos taken? I was there in January and noticed renovations and wonder if that is the finished product.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 24):
LAX was designed as a local O&D airport. The distances involved from curb to the gate are relative short, no labyrinths of levels or large concourses to navigate.

I find LAX pretty easy to transit from and the fact that all the terminals are in a U make it easier to me at least. The only thing I would say about LAX is that some of the terminals need renovating and updating, other than that LAX isn't that bad.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:34 am

I haven't flown in/out of it for a while but connecting from different buildings in CDG was hell and the amenities were horrible. The round terminal (terminal one?) is a nightmare in function and so 1970s France. Love Paris, hate the airport.

In the US, JFK hands down although I really dislike the moving terminals at IAD (hopefully gone soon).

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 7):
Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

Again, agreed. MIA is my least favorite airport in the southern US hands down.

When was the last time you flew through it? I flew last week and it's a 100% improvement. What's finished of the North Terminal is on par with any major US airport (actually, nicer than many) and once they take care of E/F, and complete the link to the intermodal center, it might just be one of the best airports in the US (gasp...who would've thought).

My favorite airport in the world is Heathrow. I know the ceilings are low and parts of it just feel old and cramped but more than any other, it gives me the feeling of being in a busy, international airport where you can whisk away to just about anywhere. I love Heathrow.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:22 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 30):
When were those photos taken?

I assume in the last few weeks or at most couple months back.

The remodeled departure lobby has pretty much been complete since the New Year, with arrival area and gates rapping up this Spring.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:22 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 26):
When is the last time you flew out of TBIT?



Last August. Seems that quite a lot have changed since then.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:41 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
Charles-De-Gaulle
Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
CDG. Unless you speak French very well, long walks pose no problem for you and you like the feeling of being unoriented
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
CDG is one of the most needlessly complex and confusing airports in Europe
Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 10):
CDG. My first experience there was after my first ever first class flight, (on CX). It was like stepping from heaven into the sphincter of hell. Awful awful awful.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
CDG certainly isn't my favourite airport in Europe

Yikes! I am transfering at CDG this summer on AF. I am flying MAN-CDG-DTW. I have never been there before and I don't speak French.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 12):
FRA--Not filthy or claustrophobic, but I've found it confusing. Poor signage can be a bit difficult to see in the best of circumstances, and some connections involve a seemingly absurd amount of walking as you try to decipher where on earth the signs are leading you.

I've been there as O&D and as a connecting passenger. When I transfered I changed airlines AA to LH and NW to LH so I had to get my bags and then go check in as a domestic passenger on LH. I found FRA easy to figure out and had no problems.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:38 pm

I like MIA for it's diversity of flights so I really can't say that it's the worst. Connecting there isn't fun (AA especially as their airport/gate signage sucks) but it's an airport as a whole that will get a lot better in the next 10 years.

NYC Airports: LGA and JFK suck in their own right but even JFK is getting better (T8, T5, T4, T1 are all really nice.) EWR terminal C is a crowded overall experience. TSA at terminal C are a bunch of hostile and thievish personnel. Not a fan of this terminal in general. I hear terminal B is a LOT better for customs and immigration. PHL is probably worse although I haven't been in 9+ years.

LAX in terms of delays is fine. If they had a monorail between terminals I swear people would complain a lot less. T3, T4, and T5 are all great. Even T7 isn't bad. Short term parking is a breeze.

The worst for me personally might be LGA. I think this airport needs to be demolished. Crap terminals and check-in lobbies, terrible runway congestion, bad public transit to central NYC, and one hell of a river to runway approach that looks just terrifying.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:39 pm

Quoting ualcsr (Reply 31):
and once they take care of E/F, and complete the link to the intermodal center, it might just be one of the best airports in the US (gasp...who would've thought).

Not srue how much work they will really do in E and F as once the North Terminal is finished all the major alliances will have their own area, Star in the New J, Skyteam in H and One World in D the north terminal. Anyone else is just left with the older areas but really there on no connections there so not really sure if they will improve them. But I agree once everything is finished and the terminal train and train to the intermodel center are complete MIA will be one of the top airports in the Americas

Quoting ualcsr (Reply 31):
My favorite airport in the world is Heathrow. I know the ceilings are low and parts of it just feel old and cramped but more than any other, it gives me the feeling of being in a busy, international airport where you can whisk away to just about anywhere. I love Heathrow.

I forgot about LHR. Now the only reason it was a horrible experience was because I was there during the snow storms this past January and was delayed 16 hours in total travel time. But Terminal 3 is lacking, not the nicest even though it did have a lot of shops. Only thing I HATE about LHR is the way they assign gates. "pleast wait" Gate called at 16:00 My flight which was delayed 6 hours just kept saying "please wait" or gate at 16:30 then 16:50 etc.. for 6 hours! Why not just say Delayed until 6pm or something! Then I waited in the gate area for 2 hours with nothing to do then waited on the airplane for another 2 hours waiting in line to be de-iced. LHR cant handle the snow very well. But if I would have been able to just sit in the terminal the experience would have been much better.

Going home I connected with them but through T5, still the same wait for gate things but I already knew my gate, it was a great terminal! It just sucked that all the Spain flights go in and out of T3.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:05 pm

I look at ALL of LAX, not just the gate area or shops. Their downfall is the traffic out front.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:23 pm

My vote for worst airport I've ever transferred at would be FRA. I'm still shocked when I think about it.

Despite being a native New Yorker (New Yawker), JFK really is an awful experience. It's difficult to transfer between terminals. And if you're driving to the airport, woe unto you! There are only two main highways for the airport, and they are two of the worst highways imaginable. Honestly, as bad as LGA and EWR are, they are a bed of roses in comparison.

As for international airports, I've never had a bad experience CDG or MUC. In the U.S., PHL isn't the greatest experience either, and those people-movers at IAD are like a bad joke from an old sci-fi film.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:33 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
CDG certainly isn't my favourite airport in Europe (ZRH/MUC/AMS are best in my opinion), but I have connected several times at CDG without any problems. It also depends where you're connecting to/from. When I used AF a few months ago GVA-CDG-YYZ and back, the connections in both directions were in the same terminal (2F) so it was very quick.

If you're departing or arriving CDG, rather than connecting, it is also quite convenient as walking distances between the street level where taxis/buses depart/arrive and check-in, security, and gates on departure (or from bagggae claim on arrival) are much shorter than at many airports.

As I live in Paris I am never transferring at CDG which I understand can be a challenge if you have to change terminals, but so are half the airports I've ever been to. At least there are transfers possible in International, Schengen and Domestic zones without the hassle of Immigration or bag collection, something that does not exist in the US for example. If you are arriving or departing, especially from 2E or 2F it can be a very good experience. Just like LHR if you're only using T5
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:00 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

You must have not been here in a while.

Wow, TBIT has sure changed alot since 2006. That was the last time I was through there. I dont remember seeing any mood lighting! Still I liked the terminal and took a lot of photos. I found it nice in terms of its somewhat monolithic design, you walked in and felt like you were in a big, important space, actually it kind of felt like it belonged more in New York than LA.

Nice to see the improvements though, I'll have to connect through there again.


Now, as for my vote for worst airport, probably SYD. I got waaayy lost when I was there (incidentally, on the same trip that took me through TBIT, QF ADL-SYD-LAX)


Most boring international airport for me though was LGW. I wasn't used to the whole "wait until your gate is announced" thing, and was basically confined to the main "mall" area of the terminal. Which, if you've been to LGW, you'll know has no windows and is just like being in any regular shopping mall, just with flight monitors. Once gate was called, I found the concourses to be anything but spotter friendly. Contrast that to MAN, which was an excellent terminal, great shops and great views of the tarmac.

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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:55 pm

Oh how I envey the sheltered life some of the posters here are living. Indeed, JFK, CDG, LAX, MIA and LHR are hardly the most pleasent of airport experiences, but they are still rather a long way from being anywhere near the worst the aviation world can throw at you.

Try, if you will, experiencing WAW or KBP for starters. That will prepare you for the horros of AUH, albeit I should warn you - it might put you off commiting aviation for a very long time. If those experiences doesn't leave you with a strong will to depart your mortal coil, you might be suffciently thick skinned for a downgrade to the pinnacle of absurdness represented by various African airports, of which the lowest common denominator is probably LOS. There is a very good reason why one of the oldest sayings in aviation is as follows:

"Happiness is V2 out of LOS"
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:00 pm

FCO is by far the worst airport I have ever experienced. It gets my vote!

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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:30 am

NCE, cramped especialy T2.

PHL, a compleate mess with no ryhme or reason.

NRT there is not much there- but that was my fault for a 5 hour layover.

CDG T1, really cool with the circular satilites- but after that a cramped terminal that is the tornado it resembles form the outside, sucking everything in. strike that anything at CDG that isn't T2E.

YVR for any US bound flights- because those are at the farthest end of the concourse

ATL- simply there need to be a facelift on the inside of the terminal, it looks dilapidated.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:19 am

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 43):
NCE, cramped especialy T2.

Nice is a wonderful airport right on the sea with tremendous panoramic views on take off and landings. Get a window seat!

For a regional airport it has got so many airlines with direct flights to many major hubs worldwide with major carriers.

Delta flies direct to JFK. Emirates to Dubai (evey day). Turkish to Istanbul. Lufthansa to Frankfurt.
Austrian to Vienna. Swiss to Zurich. British Airways to LHR. Air France to CDG. SK to Copenhagen/Stockholm
Montreal, Tel Aviv, Rome, Milano, Moscow, Oslo, Riga, Liverpool... and many more.

The business lounges could be a bit more airy but I am sure they will be improved with time.

  
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:43 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 44):
Nice is a wonderful airport right on the sea with tremendous panoramic views on take off and landings. Get a window seat!

it was a nice airport, but the lounge everyone is stuck into at T2, the one that is not a circle was a bit cramped, i was flying SAS, so it could have been unequally contrasted against copenhagen.

just as a clairifacatoin the airport will not prevent me from visiting NCE again if i had the chance.
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:27 am

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 6):
Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

TBIT at LAX is pathetic too.
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
Again, agreed. MIA is my least favorite airport in the southern US hands down.
Quoting WestJetForLife (Reply 29):
If you wanna talk about bad major international airports, MIA takes the cake. Too long a walk to customs, the staff (for the most part) weren't very helpful in assisting you if it was your first time there and the long walking distances from the security checkpoint(s) to the gates was very long. The upside for me, at least, was that there was a smoking lounge in "D" Concourse that I could go to and light up without having to go into and out of security every hour or so.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 35):
I like MIA for it's diversity of flights so I really can't say that it's the worst. Connecting there isn't fun (AA especially as their airport/gate signage sucks) but it's an airport as a whole that will get a lot better in the next 10 years.

I knew a few people would surely lash out at my hometown airport   

I never really understood what was so bad about it until I finally entered the new part of D for the first time and I reached climax when I went to T4 in Madrid in the Summer of 2009. It made MIA concourse E look like a nightmare. Before A was closed down it was actually the best and newest part of the airport but now a whole renovation is underway due to faulty construction. The outside of the airport where the drop of area is still looks quite dark and gloomy. Although they have started attacking that area as well. Frankly the intl terminal at EZE looks much better

I am pleased to say that the new train in Concourse D will (hopefully) be up and running by the holiday season.

I really had to leave MIA to realize what a dump it was but I am so glad that change is coming!

If only SJU started doing something for my many trips there. I always thought that terminal A would be fro American as it seemed that the airport was most loyal to American. Maybe SJU can bribe American to amp up there operations to what they were before by bribing with the terminal   

So SJU gets my vote since I frequent through it quite a bit.

I saw some pictures of DTW and I can see some of the similarities between Concourse D at MIA and DTW.
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:43 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 7):
Thinking of connecting in MIA always gives me shivers.

Again, agreed. MIA is my least favorite airport in the southern US hands down.

I hadn't been to MIA for a few years and wasn't particularly looking forward to a long wait there for a flight, but wow! Flew UA through the southern terminal and the change was quite incredible. High ceilings and good air-con make such a difference! Only wish would be for fewer obstructions in the view from the gates, but its a minor point.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 17):
Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 9):
LHR is without doubt one of the most improved airports in recent years!

Agreed. T5 is as good as any new terminal in Asia or the Middle East and the other terminals are finally getting the renovations that they desperately need. Terminals are now more or less organized by alliance (or lack thereof), making most connections an absolutely breeze.

Absolutely agree that it is hugely improved. Once the new T2 opens, I guess that should make T3 quieter as the *A carriers move in together. Flew through T4 recently which, at least landside, is much improved. T1, whilst clearly not a modern terminal, is at least handling a more sensible number of pax than pre-T5 opening, and I've never had long waits at security. Personally, my only real disappointment with T1 is the *A lounge, although BD's is pretty nice.

As for the worst, I'd also include CDG. It's been a while since I've flown through them, but I don't have fond memories of AKL (especially domestic terminal) and OAK either.

However, the airport that makes my heart sink when I know I have to transit through is IAD. Endless walks, low ceilings and a poor choice of retail and dining make me try and avoid the place where possible.

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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:11 am

Quoting LHR380 (Reply 20):

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
Heathrow just feels like a permanent building site whenever I'm there (which thankfully, isn't very often.).

Other then in T2 which is getting redeveloped, where else is LHR a "permanent building site"

"Heathrow is a construction site of such importance, it even has its own airport" - 1960s vintage joke about LHR  

I experienced TBIT at LAX on Monday after arriving on TG and was very pleasantly surprised - baggage reclaim, however could not cope with TG, PR, LH, BA, BR and MX arrivals at 6:30pm though - that was hell...
 
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RE: Poll: Worst Major Airport

Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:56 pm

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 43):
NRT there is not much there- but that was my fault for a 5 hour layover.

Were you at the same NRT I frequent? The one in Japan? I have always found plenty to do and it seems like one of the better airports...IF we exclude the inter-terminal transportation!!! If you have to change terminals, 2 hours can be a really tight connection!

My first place would go to KTM (sevral years ago) with MNL a close second. Also changing terminals in MNL can require 1-3 hour connect time depending on how long you have to wait for the inter-terminal bus! They don't seem to have any real schedule during the early morning hours. (Taking a taxi would likely make a 1 hour connect workable though.)

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