warren747sp
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Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:30 am

I have just flown my first A380 flight from CDG to JNB. It feels very much like the A340 due to almost identical interior layout in biz class and the quieter interior. The problem is with deplaning in JNB being on the upper deck we have only one exit on the left. By the time we deplaned almost have of the people in economy class down stairs have already deplaned so we are stuck in a long que at immigration. With most other widebodies biz class gets to deplane first. Any thoughts on this matter?
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:13 pm

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on this matter?

Flying in Business Class on the A380 from CDG to JNB and still finding some reason to complain?

Have you thought of those who have done the whole same flight sitting all these long hours in tight Economy seats with less than average onboard service and eating crappy meals out of plastic plates and cups?      

How about trying that the next time?

Can it get more blasé than this?
Next time, just think of hiring your own private jet.

              
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:56 pm

Well, you may try F next time...
 
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:38 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on this matter?

Flying in Business Class on the A380 from CDG to JNB and still finding some reason to complain?

Thank you MadameConcorde.

Really? This is the biggest complaint you have?

My thought is that I am completely unconcerned with this horrible travesty of justice.
 
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:14 pm

Some airports have Fast Track arrivals I guess JNB dont. Such is life ....
 
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:15 pm

Faster access through C&I is often pitched as one of the advantages of Business Class...

I'm guessing this is AF you flew.

On SQ and UA, cabin staff block the aisles to prevent lower classes from having access to the doors until the higher class has deplaned (they block Business while First deplanes, then block Economy while Business deplanes). Perhaps AF needs to do the same.
 
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:21 pm

Thanks it is good to know that is is probably only AF that does not strict to the premier class boarding and deplaning first procedure when it comes to the A380.
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:04 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
lower classes
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
higher class

What are you talking about? Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

There isn't a thing such as "lower" or "higher" classes.
Airlines do not apply marxist dialectic, neither do they establish a cast system.

The people flying in Economy are in a class just as "high" as those who fly in Business and First.
There is not one cabin on the aircrafts that is "higher" than the other.

In the end -- whether you like it or not -- all the passengers on one same aircraft are getting to the desination airport at the same time anyway -- and whether you like it or not -- when the flight is all done with, they havve the right to exit the plane at the time they like.

Again if it bothers you that other people are on the same flight you are, feel free to hire your own private jet. You will not have to deal with queues exiting the aircraft or at the immigration/customs counters.
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:16 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

While you're on the plane, certainly.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
neither do they establish a cast system.

Yes they do, they absolutely do. They have classes, and classes within classes. Look at the frequent flier program, and try booking the lowest price ticket and see when you can get your seat assigned.
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:06 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
lower classes
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
higher class

What are you talking about? Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

There isn't a thing such as "lower" or "higher" classes.
Airlines do not apply marxist dialectic, neither do they establish a cast system.

The people flying in Economy are in a class just as "high" as those who fly in Business and First.
There is not one cabin on the aircrafts that is "higher" than the other.

In the end -- whether you like it or not -- all the passengers on one same aircraft are getting to the desination airport at the same time anyway -- and whether you like it or not -- when the flight is all done with, they havve the right to exit the plane at the time they like.

Again if it bothers you that other people are on the same flight you are, feel free to hire your own private jet. You will not have to deal with queues exiting the aircraft or at the immigration/customs counters.

I find your comments surprising for someone who must have flown Concorde many times. I agree with other posters that one of the major advantages of paying a much higher premium class fare is the usual faster boarding and deplaning, including "fast-track" security checks at many airports, as well as the advantage offered by most airliknes I've flown on of being permitted to deplane before economy class passengers. I cannot recall a widebody flight in J or F class where those passengers weren't given priority to deplane first. I know you also travel very frequently from your many posts and am surprised that you seem to have a different opinion.
 
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:57 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I find your comments surprising for someone who must have flown Concorde many times.

Concorde was a One-Class aircraft.
There was no First, no Business, no Economy.
It was all Concorde Class.

Your comment is therefore totally irrelevant.

  
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:42 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Faster access through C&I is often pitched as one of the advantages of Business Class...

I agree! Airlines constantly advertise that priority boarding and deboarding are part of your business class ticket. If the airline does not offer you this service then you have reason to complain. You pay for what they offer!
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:25 am

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 11):
I agree! Airlines constantly advertise that priority boarding and deboarding are part of your business class ticket.

HONs and Senators,, GS and 1Ks and often Gold card elites are generally able to board at the same time as Business Class passengers even if they are seating in Economy.

LH Hon are getting permanent access to FCT in Frankfurt and LH/LX/UA First Class lounges worldwide 365/365 whatever class they are flying.

  
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:47 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
HONs and Senators,, GS and 1Ks and often Gold card elites are generally able to board at the same time as Business Class passengers even if they are seating in Economy.

LH Hon are getting permanent access to FCT in Frankfurt and LH/LX/UA First Class lounges worldwide 365/365 whatever class they are flying.

Let's get back to the topic! I do not believe most of those passengers onboard to JNB in Y were Silver, Gold or Platinum members of Flying Blue or other Skyteam related FF programs! AF just released all passengers at once and you know that at some airports being first or last to immigration can mean you are out of the airport hours later.

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
Have you thought of those who have done the whole same flight sitting all these long hours in tight Economy seats with less than average onboard service and eating crappy meals out of plastic plates and cups?


Maybe, maybe, this explains the price difference between an economy ticket and a business class ticket.

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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:04 am

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 13):
AF just released all passengers at once and you know that at some airports being first or last to immigration can mean you are out of the airport hours later.

AF has the right to manage their own flights as they wish. The Chef de Cabine (Purser) is given all power by the captain to manage the cabins as he/she thinks is best.

If we do not like how one airline proceeds, we always have the choice to move on to the competition and fly with them.

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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:13 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
If we do not like how one airline proceeds, we always have the choice to move on to the competition and fly with them.

You are right, but your reaction to somebody complaining about one aspect of the service/product is in my opinion exaggerated. Everybody has his/her aspects of service they don't like. I can remember someone complaining about the business class product of a carrier not receiving a servet with an icecream!

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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:22 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):

Concorde was a One-Class aircraft.
There was no First, no Business, no Economy.
It was all Concorde Class.

Your comment is therefore totally irrelevant.

Reminds me of a time last year at school when Arthur Miller had a session of "Miller's Court" one weekend. Someone in the audience was saying how all the rich executives probably flew in to ROC in F, and right at that moment Mr. Miller and the man sitting next to me, who had just finished responding to one of Miller's questions (he and Miller knew each other already, and happened to sit next to each other on the flight in) both said together, "There was no first class!" This man is also the person who wrote the contract for Michael D. Eisner, former CEO of the Walt Disney Company.

Anyway, the reason I'm responding to this is that we all know the Concorde had a single class. However, it was far superior even to most F products today. On the other hand, on a Piedmont Airlines Dash 8-100 or an Air Wisconsin CRJ-200 operating for US Airways Express also has a single class cabin. Yet, if you have Preferred Status with US Airways, you are allowed to choose a seat in one of the first few rows or the exit row at the time of booking; if you don't, then you can pay extra for some seats or choose a regular seat in the middle or the back of the plane, as some seats are simply not able to be chosen even though they are unoccupied.

I don't have Preferred Status with US Airways (I did at one point, but that's irrelevant). Even on their regional flights that only have an economy cabin, frequent fliers with status are always allowed to board first. That's certainly one disparity between those with status and the masses.

One time I was flying DTW-LGA, and I had chosen an exit row seat. When I gave the agent at the gate my boarding pass, he stepped away for a moment. When he came back, he said that my seat had been changed to 21B -- which was right next to the engine on that DC-9. I was appalled, but when I walked by the exit rows, I saw a bag that had a "SkyMiles Platinum" tag on it (or something of the like), and I knew why I was bumped. Luckily, I was able to switch with someone and got the row behind the exit.

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 15):
You are right, but your reaction to somebody complaining about one aspect of the service/product is in my opinion exaggerated. Everybody has his/her aspects of service they don't like. I can remember someone complaining about the business class product of a carrier not receiving a servet with an icecream!

As I mentioned earlier, I can remember two people who probably have the highest tier of frequent flier status on their particular airline complain that the aircraft didn't have first class.

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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:33 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I find your comments surprising for someone who must have flown Concorde many times.

Concorde was a One-Class aircraft.
There was no First, no Business, no Economy.
It was all Concorde Class.

Your comment is therefore totally irrelevant.

I was also referring to departure procedures (fast-track security lines etc.) where Concorde passengers certainly received priority treatment and were subject to shorter check-in times. My general comment was that expedited boarding/deplaning and airport handling should be an automatic benefit of paying the high premium class fares, and it is in my experience with rare exceptions.
 
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:58 am

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
The problem is with deplaning in JNB being on the upper deck we have only one exit on the left. By the time we deplaned almost have of the people in economy class down stairs have already deplaned so we are stuck in a long que at immigration.

I have noticed that most of the time the jetway for the upperdeck is taking more time to place than for the main deck. While the main deck jetway is already in place for the disembarkation, the upper one is still far from the plane. Since most of the business class on the A380 are on the upper deck, most J class passengers are disembarking after the Y class.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
On SQ and UA, cabin staff block the aisles to prevent lower classes from having access to the doors until the higher class has deplaned (they block Business while First deplanes, then block Economy while Business deplanes). Perhaps AF needs to do the same.

AF is doing the same. On other aircraft types, F/A are blocking the Y class passengers at disembarkation until all J class passengers are off the plane. F class passengers are having their own escort. Here we are talking about the particularity of the A380. In case of AF, J class passengers are not supposed to go downstairs to disembark, but may be AF should proceed that way if the steering of the upper deck jetway is not yet efficient.
 
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RE: Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class

Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:44 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
What are you talking about? Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

There isn't a thing such as "lower" or "higher" classes.
Airlines do not apply marxist dialectic, neither do they establish a cast system.

The people flying in Economy are in a class just as "high" as those who fly in Business and First.
There is not one cabin on the aircrafts that is "higher" than the other.

As much as I respect you Madame, I could not disagree more with this statement.

I do not fly premium (when I do) necessarily because I believe I am of a higher class. I do so because I believe the necessities I require when I travel are that of greater importance than can be achieved in coach. Thankfully, my company too feels the same way. There are a number of luxuries afforded to premium travel that are essential to travel in a manner I find fit. Having a few laptop screens broken and a red-eye transcon sitting next to someone with turrets syndrome hitting me every few minutes, I greatly value and appreciate the opportunity to have space and privacy. It is very difficult to get sleep/work done surrounded by such distractions.

I know you have traveled in all classes and around the world. Sure there may be exceptions, but you must agree many people (particularly in the US) will travel coach as if they had a picture posted on peopleofwalmart.com. Generally speaking traveling in upper class settings is more conducive to a professional atmosphere. For those of us who never got to experience the "glory days" of aviation, but would love to bring it back can also find great value in upscale, civilized, and professional travel.

Saying there is no distinction between "classes" is saying there is no distinction between needs. I do not NEED to be served when I wish or have turn down service, but it is a luxury I feel worth the price paid. Simply because someone else can not afford such luxuries should not diminish my ability to secure them. This will include AF not giving priority to business class on the 380. Shame on them if this is a standard practice.

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