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American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:08 pm

Was wondering what airlines, if any, besides United and Delta flew the DC-8-61,62,71?
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:21 pm

The -60's series of DC-8's were used by many carriers in the US. When the re-engining program came about, I do believe that only Delta and United did a large portion of their fleets.


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Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:32 pm

Buffalo Airways operated 1 DC-8-61 and a -62.
International Charter Xpress used 5 -62CF
Rich International had 7 -62s and a -63
Pacific East Air used -61,-62,and -63
Notheastern used some -62s
Arista Intl -62 and -61 was flown
Overseas Natioanl was a large operator of -61a and -63s
Capitol Air also used them.

All above info from Tom Norwoods books Deregulation KNockouts I and II.

Trans International later Transamerica then Trans International after Transamerica Corp sold it off.
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:40 pm

UPS flew them up until last year I think. Those were always good looking planes too. Flying Tiger Line had some as well, but I don't know if they were pax or cargo models.

I just remembered that Arrow Air flew stretched DC-8s as well, both passenger and cargo versions.
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:48 pm

The original National, -61 Eastern, -61 and 63 Braniff, -62
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:00 pm

Universal airlines
Wein Air Alaska
National
Overseas National
Capitol
World
Trans International
Kallita
United
Delta
Flying Tigers
Southern Air Transport
UPS
Arrow Air
Fine Air
Murray Air
ATI
Seaboard World
Trans Continental
Challenge
Rich International
Hawaiian
Burlington
Flagship Express cargo
DHL
Airborne
Emery
MGM Grand Air
American Flyers
Saturn
Eastern
Airlift
Braniff
 
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:11 pm

ATI -71


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Hawaiian -62


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Zantop -62


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Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:21 pm

Wow, What a nice Zantop..

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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:25 pm

If you broaden the definition of "American" to mean "North American", at least 7 Canadian carriers operated -60/-70 series DC-8s.

Air Canada - 61, 63, 63F, 73F
CP Air - 63
Quebecair - 63
Nationair - 61, 63
Worldways Canada - 63
Points of Call - 61
Minerve Canada - 61
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:58 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
If you broaden the definition of "American" to mean "North American"

And since Mexico is also in North America...

Aeronaves de Mexico and Aeromexico (same airline, name changed February 1972) operated a pair of DC-8-63CFs leased from Trans International for 3 years, March 1971 to March 1974.
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:42 am

One more North American Super DC-8 operator that hasn't been mentioned is Puerto Rico-based Trans Caribbean Airlines, (3) DC-8-61CFs, 1967-71.
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:23 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Nationair - 61, 63

They also had -62s.


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Points of Call - 61

Actually theirs was a -52.


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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:52 am

All of the USA trunk carriers that stuck wtih the DC-8, flew the stretch version:
UA -61, -71, -62
DL -61, -71
EA -61, -63
NA -61

BN became a DC-8 operator with the acquisition of Panagra. They then ordered more -62's and used that aircraft as the mainstay of their fleet for their South American operations until shutdown in 1982.

EA and NA sold off their fleets before the -71 conversion became available, and National, I believe, only had two -61's, one of which I flew on between Houston and New Orleans. EA ordered their fleet of -61's for NYC-MIA service and service to SJU. But a few years later, the L-1011 was in service and Eastern leased their -61's to JAL and Capitol. Their -63's were ordered for anticipated Pacific routes that never materialized and MAC charters. These aircraft were sold off after a few years.

Supplemental airline TIA took factory delivery of both -61's and -63's, and Flying Tigers acquired a number of new -63's, as did World. I believe ONA and Capitol also took factory delivery of new aircraft, but I am not sure and may be wrong about that. The Stretch Eight was the premier charter aircraft and freighter, and the extra capacity was achieved for an operating cost not much greater than the DC-8-50 and B-707-320B/C.
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:59 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 11):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Points of Call - 61

Actually theirs was a -52.

The Transport Canada aircraft registry history also shows DC-8-61 C-FCMV registered to Points of Call on November 14, 1989. Registration was cancelled a month later on December 14, 1989, but it was registered to them again 4 days later on December 18, 1989 but then cancelled 2 weeks later on January 2, 1990. That was no doubt when they were in the process of going bust and the aircraft likely never operated for them.

It was an original Eastern aircraft which was leased to JAL for 7 years in the 1970s and then had various other operators. It was registered C-FCMV when operated briefly by Minerve Canada, a Canadian subsidiary of French charter carrier Minerve which merged with French carrier Air Outre Mer in 1992 to form AOM Minerve which later became part of Air Liberté which changed its name to Air Lib before going bust.


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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:37 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 12):
EA ordered their fleet of -61's for NYC-MIA service and service to SJU. But a few years later, the L-1011 was in service and Eastern leased their -61's to JAL and Capitol. Their -63's were ordered for anticipated Pacific routes

EA's (6) DC-8-63PFs were the only PF versions sold by McDonnell Douglas. Being designed to facilitate conversion from pax to freighter configuration at a later date, the variant had an especially high resale value...so much so that EA was able to get 3-4 years pax service from their -63PFs for minimal net cost of ownership.

EA's "Super Eights" could be spotted somewhat regularly at FRA (Rhein-Main Air Base) ~1970-73 while operating MAC charter flights. No doubt a "prized catch" for those who spent time at the FRA Besucherterrasse "back in the day!"
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:39 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The Transport Canada aircraft registry history also shows DC-8-61 C-FCMV registered to Points of Call on November 14, 1989. Registration was cancelled a month later on December 14, 1989, but it was registered to them again 4 days later on December 18, 1989 but then cancelled 2 weeks later on January 2, 1990. That was no doubt when they were in the process of going bust and the aircraft likely never operated for them.



Interesting clarification, thanks for the information.

I recall seeing the Points of Call DC-8-52 at a gate in YYC, during a turn. I dragged the F/O over to look at it, as I told him, he'd likely never see anything like it again. It had the old interior with the Palomar seats! The forward "lounge" area we are so familiar with had 9 Y seats instead. 6 starboard and 3 port, with the galley and lavs behind them.
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:44 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The Transport Canada aircraft registry history also shows DC-8-61 C-FCMV registered to Points of Call on November 14, 1989. Registration was cancelled a month later on December 14, 1989, but it was registered to them again 4 days later on December 18, 1989 but then cancelled 2 weeks later on January 2, 1990. That was no doubt when they were in the process of going bust and the aircraft likely never operated for them.



Interesting clarification, thanks for the information.

I recall seeing the Points of Call DC-8-52 at a gate in YYC, during a turn. I dragged the F/O over to look at it, as I told him, he'd likely never see anything like it again. It had the old interior with the Palomar seats! The forward "lounge" area we are so familiar with had 9 Y seats instead. 6 starboard and 3 port, with the galley and lavs behind them.

For the last decade or so of CP Air DC-8 service, the forward F class lounge was replaced with 6 Y class seats. They were normally only assigned when the main Y class cabin was full but they probably generated quite a bit of revenue during peak periods. I remember sitting there on a YYZ-YVR flight on a CP DC-8-43 once. Much shorter lines for the lavatories as those passengers used the 2 F class lavatories, and CP only had 12 F class seats on DC-8s then.

That Points of Call DC-8-52 was one of the last of the original -10 through -50 series DC-8s built (delivered to NZ in February 1968). The only passenger DC-8-50s built after that one were one -55F combi for IB followed by 3 all-passenger DC-8-53s for AC (CF-TIH/TII/TIJ) delivered between August and October 1968. The only non-60 series DC-8s built after those AC aircraft were the last 4 -54F pure freighters for UA.

As a sidenote, the last all-passenger DC-8-50 built, AC's CF-TIJ, was the one that caught fiire during fueling and was destroyed while parked at the gate at YYZ on June 21, 1973, prior to operating YYZ-ZRH. That was only 2 months after AC moved from the original T1 to T2 at YYZ.
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:46 am

Quoting ivo (Reply 7):
Sorry, this is the real thing:

Are you sure??? Doesn't look like a "stretch" to me.
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:01 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
For the last decade or so of CP Air DC-8 service, the forward F class lounge was replaced with 6 Y class seats.


AC did the same thing, but only on the 227Y seat DC-8s used for Caribbean and Rapidair flight. Oddly enough, those 6 Y seats were Palomar seats, (the rest of the aircraft was not so equipped) as there were no overhead racks installed in that area. Those six seats also had a unique safety card unlike the rest of the aircraft for that reason.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
The only passenger DC-8-50s built after that one were one -55F combi for IB followed by 3 all-passenger DC-8-53s for AC (CF-TIH/TII/TIJ) delivered between August and October 1968.


Those AC aircraft were unlike the rest of the DC-8-40/50 fleet of AC, in that they had the new DC-8-60 interiors installed without Palomar seats. As that Points-of-Call DC-8 did have Palomar seats, then those three DC-8-50s must have been the only non-Palomar "short" eights built.

TIJ as you note was lost in a fire, but TIH/TII were known internally as "Disco Duck" and "Waltzing Matilda". Apparently they had the advanced autopilot of the -60s, but with the short fuselage, they never settled down in cruise.
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:09 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
Are you sure??? Doesn't look like a "stretch" to me.

That's a -62.
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:15 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 20):
That's a -62.

Ok.....just doesn't look right to me.....maybe it's the paint job
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:11 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 20):
Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
Are you sure??? Doesn't look like a "stretch" to me.

That's a -62.

It's still a "stretch" even if the stretch is only 7 ft. not 37 ft. like the -61 and -63.
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:58 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
It's still a "stretch" even if the stretch is only 7 ft. not 37 ft. like the -61 and -63.

Well, that's my mistake, then. Since DL never flew -62s, I never knew there was a difference between those and -61s & -63s.




[quote=rikkus67,reply=1]When the re-engining program came about, I do believe that only Delta and United did a large portion of their fleets.






Cammco did the first conversion for DL, then DL realized they could do the rest themselves and did the rest of their fleet (IIRC 13 a/c total) and also did some conversions for UPS, Emery and BNAF.
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Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:05 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 23):
Cammco did the first conversion for DL, then DL realized they could do the rest themselves and did the rest of their fleet (IIRC 13 a/c total) and also did some conversions for UPS, Emery and BNAF.

Minor correctipn: Cammacorp, not Cammco. AC also did their own conversions of 6 -63F freighters to -73Fs. The -63Fs had previously been converted from AC passenger aircraft.
 
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:30 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 24):
Minor correctipn: Cammacorp, not Cammco.

Well, give me some credit for almost remembering it. Nowadays, for me, that's an accomplishment.  
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RE: American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8

Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:29 am

Gulf Air Transport, later renamed Trans Ocean, operated several 60 series stretch -8s along with at least one short lived -70 series back in the 80s before the company's demise.
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