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Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:07 pm

Evening all,

I'm looking at taking my girlfriend to New York for her 21st birthday (She's 20 this November, so I have about a year and a quarter to plan, book and finalise it all). I've searched around but because of the differing (and mostly overlapping) national holidays and the like of the US and UK, there aren't that many cheap times during the year to go. I know the schedules for late 2011 aren't out yet but if it's cheap enough before her birthday then it's good enough for me. She isn't a big drinker so that's not a problem (and I'll only be 19 so I won't be drinking anyway).

When is the cheapest time to go? Her birthday is the 2nd of November but I'd like to keep it so the weather isn't really bad (I've heard and read horror stories of snowbound airports down the Eastern seaboard and I'd prefer to avoid that for obvious reasons).

It's probably going to be a long weekend so I'm open to any suggestions for dates and prices, although I'd like to keep it under £450-£500 ($700-$800) each return. I'd prefer nonstop as she's quite the fearful flier (not flying, but claustrophobia, so having to get on and off planes is not really going to sit well with her).

Recommendations for lodging (Under £100/$150 per night would be great) and not too far from the main touristy areas.

Thanks a lot, I know I'm asking quite a bit.
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:59 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Thread starter):
She isn't a big drinker so that's not a problem (and I'll only be 19 so I won't be drinking anyway).


Your best bet is KU, it is a dry airline and one of the cheapest if not the cheapest from LHR to JFK. They fly 77E and A343.
The weather should be nice in November, no need to worry about snow or very cold climate.
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:18 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Thread starter):
although I'd like to keep it under £450-£500 ($700-$800) each return



Isnt $700-$800 expensive for a LHR-NY-LHR ticket in November? I got last summer a ARN-LHR-LAX return ticket on BA for $620!
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:23 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
Isnt $700-$800 expensive for a LHR-NY-LHR ticket in November?

Not anymore.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
I got last summer a ARN-LHR-LAX return ticket on BA for $620!

Like I said, not anymore  
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:37 am

Kuwait is £9000  so I doubt cheap though that is sept lol
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:49 am

I want to take my wife to New York for her birthday next year as well (April). From my experience, the best time to book is January, for any point during that year. Last year LON-NYC was around £350 return on BA, expect a rise (my guess - £400+/-).

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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:55 am

I am taking my wife to New York for her birthday in December. Luckily for us, we'll already be in the USA and, indeed, only 2 hours from Manhattan.  
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:38 am

Quoting KU747 (Reply 1):

Your best bet is KU, it is a dry airline and one of the cheapest if not the cheapest from LHR to JFK. They fly 77E and A343.
The weather should be nice in November, no need to worry about snow or very cold climate.

That's not to say she doesn't enjoy a good night out on the town though   She's only not drinking because I'm not old enough, and because we're not there for very long. Not much point in ruining a long weekend with 1 day spent lying in bed with a hangover.  

I should have said, I'm closest to Manchester but if it's worth doing then I'm open to it. I hadn't thought of KU actually.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):

Isnt $700-$800 expensive for a LHR-NY-LHR ticket in November? I got last summer a ARN-LHR-LAX return ticket on BA for $620!

The cheapest I found was $368 each but I can't book it yet. It's borderline theft at that price but it's far too early in the year.

Quoting fca767 (Reply 4):
Kuwait is £9000 so I doubt cheap though that is sept lol

I found similar but there's cheaper prices if you look.


Quoting signol (Reply 5):
I want to take my wife to New York for her birthday next year as well (April). From my experience, the best time to book is January, for any point during that year. Last year LON-NYC was around £350 return on BA, expect a rise (my guess - £400+/-).

signol

I'll take a look in January then. 350GBP is probably the cheapest I'm going to get, so it's definitely worth waiting for. Where are you looking at staying?
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:17 pm

About 2 years ago there was a loophole on LAN.com (also in the Oneworld alliance with British Airways).

They sold tickets for all BA flights, albeit with no fuel surcharge! The loophole existed for about 6 months, during which time I had several amazing deals.

LHR-LAX return for £189
LHR-JFK return for £169
LHR-SEA return for £209

Sadly the loophole closed and I was unable to take advantage again...
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:39 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 7):
Where are you looking at staying?

We have a baby with us, who will be 23 months old (so just before his tickets become expensive!) Therefore, we will look for a self-catered holiday appartment, likely to be outside of Manhatten, but there are some I've found in Brooklyn, reasonable areas with easy subway or LIRR access to the centre. I'll do some more research after our upcoming trip in October to South Africa  

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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:20 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 8):

Yes I remember how you told me about that loophole. The prices were just amazing. I never managed to book any flight but did you ever have problem when you actually flew?
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:18 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Yes I remember how you told me about that loophole. The prices were just amazing. I never managed to book any flight but did you ever have problem when you actually flew?

No problems at all, despite the tickets being issued on LAN stock so the e-ticket numbers began with code 045.

I was only queried once, it was at the boarding gate at JFK and they asked why I was flying JFK-LHR on a ticket issued by LAN, when I hadn't first taken a connecting flight from Santiago de Chile. They just thought it was strange, I shrugged my shoulders and claimed I'd bought it on Expedia and didn't know what they were talking about.

After 5 months there were hundreds of people starting to book tickets on LAN.com though, and BA tried to block it. However you could continue to trick it for another 2 months by adding a useless (and cheap) domestic leg onto your booking (it didn't have to be related etc. LHR-JFK-LHR and a domestic leg in Chile SCL-CJC-SCL). This added $20 to the booking and enabled you to still save $$$ by not paying the fuel surcharge on the long-haul. This too was stopped though, and now I have to book cheap flights from another partner's website  
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:45 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
Isnt $700-$800 expensive for a LHR-NY-LHR ticket in November? I got last summer a ARN-LHR-LAX return ticket on BA for $620!


That is always the case, fly BA from any European city or middle eastern city to north America would be cheaper than flying from LHR to north America.

Example:
KWI - LAX - KWI on BA First class GBP 6508/-
LHR - LAX - LHR on BA First class GBP 7068/-

Keep in mind that KWI is about 2500 miles (5+ hours of flying) south east of LHR.
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:19 pm

How about

www.Netflights.com

LHR-JFK in October £808 for 2.
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:21 am

Try www.kayak.com
They search lots of airline sites to gte you the best prices.
As a trial run, I found flights from LHR to JFK for £390 with Delta; nonstop.

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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:42 am

Last year I got a T/R CPH-LHR-JFK on AA for 220£

Doubt ill ever get it that cheap again!

Cheapest I found was LHR-BRU-JFK on JT for 390£

Anyways, try www.momondo.com it is a Danish search engine voted best in the world,

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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:52 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 13):
How about

www.Netflights.com

LHR-JFK in October £808 for 2.

Decent price but far too early unfortunately. She's not 21 until next November  
Quoting GrinddalCPH (Reply 15):
Last year I got a T/R CPH-LHR-JFK on AA for 220£

Doubt ill ever get it that cheap again!

Cheapest I found was LHR-BRU-JFK on JT for 390£

Anyways, try www.momondo.com it is a Danish search engine voted best in the world,

Daniel

Wow, that is very cheap. I'll take a look, mange tak  
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:28 pm

There's a certain airline that has a 12-mile inter-island route. The city of this airline's base shares a name with a university in the "district of crime' in the USA.

If you can work this out, you'll be able to "dump" the fuel surcharge on UA flights and save about £120 when booking UA flights.

Hint: Check base fares, there are some as low as £130 o/w at the moment, meaning a £260+tax return can be had. Only taxes are APD, departure tax, passenger security charge etc. but no fuel surcharge as you'll dump it using the aforementioned airline.
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:24 pm

I looked but I'm not sure I got it worked out, could you PM me Hywel?

Thanks a lot.
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:02 pm

Second hint: The validating carrier is not UA.

i.e. the ticket must not be issued by UA. It must be issued by another airline (which doesn't "collect" the fuel surcharge on behalf of UA).
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:40 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 19):
i.e. the ticket must not be issued by UA. It must be issued by another airline (which doesn't "collect" the fuel surcharge on behalf of UA).

UA would be within their rights to refuse to accept any ticket not issued at their applicable fare including any fuel surcharges but I guess it's difficult to do that at airports.

You appear to live in Chad. Just curious what carrier offers the best deals from Chad to Europe? Do you live in N'Djamena?
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:52 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 19):
Second hint: The validating carrier is not UA.

i.e. the ticket must not be issued by UA. It must be issued by another airline (which doesn't "collect" the fuel surcharge on behalf of UA).

Would it be issued by an airline in the same alliance as UA?

I'm really not feeling this one   I thought it was BA but I guess not.
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:27 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 21):
Would it be issued by an airline in the same alliance as UA?

I thought Liat but their website doesn't appear to offer any flights other than their own.

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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:34 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 16):
Wow, that is very cheap. I'll take a look, mange tak  

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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:46 am

Quoting signol (Reply 22):
I thought Liat but their website doesn't appear to offer any flights other than their own.

I also tried LIAT. Have been searching for quite a while now but cant find anything  
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:59 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
UA would be within their rights to refuse to accept any ticket not issued at their applicable fare including any fuel surcharges but I guess it's difficult to do that at airports.

You appear to live in Chad. Just curious what carrier offers the best deals from Chad to Europe? Do you live in N'Djamena?

UA have an agreement with this airline, they can issue tickets on each others' flights. But they're not in the same alliance. Heck the other airline isn't even in an alliance. LOL. So UA can't refuse to accept a ticket, as their company agreement perfectly allows it.

BTW this is just one of many loopholes available. With a bit of research you can pretty much skip the fuel surcharge legally on any flight.

My middle name is Chad hence that's my country on here  don't actually live there, was born in the USA but currently studying in Austria...
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:00 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 24):
I also tried LIAT. Have been searching for quite a while now but cant find anything

Why not try expedia, travelocity, etc etc. ?
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:43 am

Quoting Hywel (Reply 25):
UA have an agreement with this airline, they can issue tickets on each others' flights. But they're not in the same alliance. Heck the other airline isn't even in an alliance. LOL. So UA can't refuse to accept a ticket, as their company agreement perfectly allows it.

Yes, they can issue tickets on UA but they're only acting as an agent for UA (the same as a travel agent) and should thus be applying UA's fares and conditions. Every interline ticketing agreement I've seen has wording to that effect. I can't see why UA would include a condition in their agreement with that carrier authorizing them to waive things like fuel surcharges. As far as I know, if the ticket was not issued at the correct UA fare/surcharges, UA would be entitled to bill the issuing airline for the undercollection as part of the revenue accounting process.
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:57 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 27):
Yes, they can issue tickets on UA but they're only acting as an agent for UA (the same as a travel agent) and should thus be applying UA's fares and conditions. Every interline ticketing agreement I've seen has wording to that effect. I can't see why UA would include a condition in their agreement with that carrier authorizing them to waive things like fuel surcharges. As far as I know, if the ticket was not issued at the correct UA fare/surcharges, UA would be entitled to bill the issuing airline for the undercollection as part of the revenue accounting process.

Yes Sir, you are correct. UA doesn't authorise them to waive the fuel surcharge, in fact this is a "mistake" in their online booking engine. But so few people know about it, that UA probably has 100 cases per year and doesn't bother sending a bill to the issuing airline  
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:08 am

OK, I've been looking for a few days now and really cannot work it out. I don't know what the university is that i'm supposed to be rhyming with so that does make it slightly more difficult  

Help!
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:38 pm

Quoting signol (Reply 5):
I want to take my wife to New York for her birthday next year as well (April). From my experience, the best time to book is January, for any point during that year. Last year LON-NYC was around £350 return on BA, expect a rise (my guess - £400+/-).

Simple answer, as you validated, is to wait until the post New Year sales when BA, VS, AA and others will slash fares - usually for flights through most of the year. If you start messing about with intra-Europe connections you'll add incidental cost.
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:48 pm

PLEEASE tell us the loophole, i've been googling for ages 
 
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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:59 pm

According to this week's Money Saving Expert email, AA, BA and VS are having a snap 2 week sale. NY is advertised at £331 return all-in.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2263975

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RE: Cheapest Way From The UK To New York?

Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:45 am

Quoting signol (Reply 32):
According to this week's Money Saving Expert email, AA, BA and VS are having a snap 2 week sale. NY is advertised at £331 return all-in.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2263975

signol

Cheers signol, will be booking that. That's a bargain if I ever saw one.  

Thanks a lot.

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