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Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It Go?

Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:35 pm

Saw this iReport on CNN.com this morning and thought it'd be worth a discussion. I'm going out on a limb and guessing this guy's intention is/was to irritate the TSAers at the security checkpoint (no pockets or room to conceal items, likely to make a "pat down" really awkward) because I can't think of another rational explanation as to why someone (let alone a 50-60 year old man) would wear this in public.

http://ireport.cnn.com/blogs/ireport...t-s-ok-to-wear-on-a-plane?hpt=Sbin

That being the case, would anyone care to comment on the rather sorry state of air travel attire these days? Used to be as recently as the early 80s (when flying with my parents), getting on a plane meant looking presentable, and acting in a civil manner. Nowadays, it seems just about anything goes: gym shorts and tanktops for (grown) males, halter tops and sweats for women and I'm sure some of you in the industry have seen even worse, to the point of refusing service.

Disclaimer: I will readily acknowledge the fact that the proverbial bar for service and comfort standards both in terms of the aviation industry and service sector as a whole is significantly lower than in decades past, but figure it's worth a chat, particularly for U.S.-based passengers/employees who seem to deal with this more than their counterparts in the rest of th world.

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Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:10 pm

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Saw this iReport on CNN.com this morning and thought it'd be worth a discussion. I'm going out on a limb and guessing this guy's intention is/was to irritate the TSAers at the security checkpoint (no pockets or room to conceal items, likely to make a "pat down" really awkward) because I can't think of another rational explanation as to why someone (let alone a 50-60 year old man) would wear this in public.

http://ireport.cnn.com/blogs/ireport...=Sbin

If I were the TSA, I would have made him come back when he had proper attire. That's not something suitable for a woman to be wearing in public (Hooters or a strip club yes, an airport, no.).

Some say that the dressing down of society really started back in the mid to late 60s with the rise of the hippies and spread to the general population (Others pinpoint JFK's inauguration as a starting point because he did not wear a hat and men wearing hats began to fall out of fashion and thus started a general decline in dress.). I'm a fan of Mad Men and when there are scenes onboard an airplane, everyone is dressed up in a presentable manner (Heck very rarely is there a scene in public where folks aren't dressed nicely [at least compared to today's standards].). You look at old photos and film footage of people taking a bus or train they dressed appropriately.

In the last decade, even the airlines have loosened the dress codes for non-revs. When I worked in the industry, I would have never set foot on a flight wearing jeans even when it was allowed. It used to be that when flying non-rev, men had to at least wear a shirt and jacket.

Even though I've been out of the airline industry for nearly a decade, when I fly I still dress like I did when I used to non-rev. The most casual I will dress is a button-down camp shirt and a pair of khaki-type pants. There are times when I fly when I can say that I'm the most overdressed person on the flight. I will wear a suit (or a sportcoat and a pair of dress pants), a dressy shirt (no tie), maybe a sweater vest (depending on the time of the year) and top it off with a nice hat (not a baseball cap, a real hat). I'm sure some passengers probably think I'm a Federal Air Marshall, as they used to commonly be the most overdressed on a flight.

It does bug me that some folks dress for a flight like it's a slumber party or they're headed to the gym or came to airport straight from clubbing the night before. I can understand wanting to be comfortable on a flight, but when you look like that, it does make folks wonder. It's one thing to wear a pair of shorts like one would wear to play a round of golf, it's another to wear what looks like a pair of sweatpants one has cut into shorts in their kitchen.

Some say that the low fare airlines opened travel to the masses that previously would have taken Greyhound to get to their destination and they dress the same way as they would to ride the bus. While there may be a grain of truth to that, if that were clearly the case, only a small portion of the passengers would be dressed that way. The thing is that people dress in this manner in a number of places like churches, court rooms and funerals. For some, dressing comfortably is more important than dressing in a manner that is respectful and appropriate to the occasion.
 
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:55 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):

I don't dress up to fly, but it's not because I find dressy clothes uncomfortable. As a recently-graduated college student/incoming graduate student, most of my trips are either leisure or family visits. I'm not going to wear a suit while I'm there, so wearing one on the plane would just mean an extra change of clothes I'd have to stuff in the suitcase. Instead, I wear an everyday outfit - non-ratty jeans and a polo, usually - that I can wear again later in the trip.
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:59 am

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I'm going out on a limb and guessing this guy's intention is/was to irritate the TSAers at the security checkpoint (no pockets or room to conceal items, likely to make a "pat down" really awkward)

LOL I highly doubt that was his intention at all - he probably just was "expressing" himself. What does surprise me is that this was at DFW. In a liberal place like SFO I would almost expect this type of thing, but Texas??

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
the rather sorry state of air travel attire these days?

It depends who you fly, where you fly, and in which class you fly. I did the last minute F upgrade on US (LAX-CLT) in June and felt sorely out of place - even getting a few surprised/dirty looks - strolling on the plane rather late with the last of the Y pax wearing a T-shirt, shorts, and gym shoes but then plopping down in the last row of F whilst everyone else was dressed in business casual, designer labels, or suits. Indeed, on many of the legacies you still see the entire F cabin extremely well dressed. On the other hand, I have flown F on FL several times and not a single person in the cabin was dressed up at all. The LCCs tend to attract an entirely "different" crowd, which is probably why WN has such a strict "dress code" unlike many other airlines - with the more trashy folks they tend to cater to, they absolutely need to have it!

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
(when flying with my parents), getting on a plane meant looking presentable, and acting in a civil manner.

Virtually all of today's parents grew up during the regulated era and most of them do expect their kids to look halfway decent when flying on a plane. In June, I didn't think anything of staying out til 5 AM in Atlanta, then taking the MARTA right to the airport (without a chance to freshen up or change) before my 7 AM flight to RSW. But, when I strolled off the plane reeking of beer, cigarette smoke, and sweat, they were extremely embarrassed and upset, to say the least..

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I will readily acknowledge the fact that the proverbial bar for service and comfort standards both in terms of the aviation industry and service sector as a whole is significantly lower than in decades past

Many standards have been relaxed over the years - take a look at photos from Cubs games in the World Series era. Everyone in the stands was formally dressed, top hat, suit and all. Today it is perfectly acceptable to show up wearing no shirt at all! We have also become much more lax with regard to swearing, pornography, etc. Former taboos have become integral parts of our liberal society!

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
particularly for U.S.-based passengers/employees who seem to deal with this more than their counterparts in the rest of th world.

Ah well the U.S. was the pioneer in low-fare travel and so the first to see standards plummet. But now that you have Ryanair and Easyjet very well established across the pond, the Eurotrash is now able to fly too!

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
I don't dress up to fly, but it's not because I find dressy clothes uncomfortable. As a recently-graduated college student/incoming graduate student, most of my trips are either leisure or family visits.

   I very much enjoy dressing up, whether its to go out, attend a family function, etc. However, it's a lot harder to keep nicer clothes from wrinkling during travels, and washing them all the time makes them look shabby very fast. No need to waste away nice clothes on a mundane trip in Y. Then if its real fancy stuff that needs to be pressed/dry cleaned and transported in a separate hanging bag, that's a real hassle.
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:57 pm

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Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:56 pm

On WN you see people with garbage bags for carry on luggage! I always have on a collared shirt with a pocket so i can stow my boarding pass and id.
 
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:49 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
If I were the TSA, I would have made him come back when he had proper attire.

Well TSA is not the fashion police, so they would have no say IMO. Airport police though, may have actual jurisdiction to do anything, if need be.

Quoting sectflyer (Reply 5):
I always have on a collared shirt with a pocket so i can stow my boarding pass and id.

I also like to look better than normal, lol, when flying. It seems to put me in a better mood as well. IDK why.
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:26 am

Quoting sectflyer (Reply 5):
On every airline flying you see people with garbage bags for carry on luggage!

Fixed that for you.

Actually, more common on carriers other than Southwest, most of the time - Southwest's "bread and butter" are business travelers. I see more suits and business casual than anything else...

Edit:

I did see a burlap bag with a live turkey in it, head sticking out, as checked baggage, once. This was on Fawcett Peru, Trujillo-Lima.

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Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:36 am

I personally think this is atrocious. Also there is obviously a double standard in male and female dress regulations. Whenever I fly, I strive to look my best and be professional. I always wear a collared shirt and a nice pair of jeans at the very least. I think it is very important to look professional when you are on an airplane, and this gentleman (if you can call him that) is failing miserably.

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Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:50 am

I saw this article and was going to post it myself a few days ago but got distracted and never did... I think its hilarious! I have no problem with what he's wearing really... he technically has a shirt, shoes and shorts on - how they are fitted, is something else all together and a matter for the Fashion Police.

I would say that his attire doesn't pose a security risk, and therefore not of concern to the TSA. I'm not familiar with individual carriers T&C's as they pertain to 'acceptable' dress so can't comment there. But given what he's wearing, he is wearing 'the basics' and no different than what you could see walking down the street, or at the mall.

If I were seated next to him, I'd love to strike up a conversation about his outfit, and get his take on it!

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Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:03 am

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 9):
If I were seated next to him, I'd love to strike up a conversation about his outfit, and get his take on it!

As would I, but I might be afraid of the answers given!
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:37 am

Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 10):
As would I, but I might be afraid of the answers given!

Lol... that is true, but I have to say, I've done some crazy things in public myself... I love turning heads and going against 'the grain' so to speak, so I may be a little biased... but I always respect the right of the individual, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

Having said that, when I travel, I will normally go 'sensible-smart' where I wear jeans, and a thin long sleeve sweater or polo. I like to think I look a little more presentable than the rest of the rabble in cattle class, but I'm not buttoned up and uncomfortable.

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Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:49 am

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 11):
Having said that, when I travel, I will normally go 'sensible-smart' where I wear jeans, and a thin long sleeve sweater or polo. I like to think I look a little more presentable than the rest of the rabble in cattle class, but I'm not buttoned up and uncomfortable.

Agreed. You can never go wrong with business casual...EVER!
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:56 am

I worked on check-in in the 80s and people did make an effort to dress up a bit.

That soon all fell to pieces with the rise of the chav (still in its infancy at the time) and the birth of the dreaded shell suit. Suddenly, everyone started wearing those blasted shell suits. It was a comic nightmare.
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:54 am

I would personally ALWAYS present myself well in any public place, which includes the airport/airplane etc. But that said, I don't see why additional care and effort must go into one's attire at an airport - I mean, if I won't wear business casuals for an evening out or a movie, why at an airport? There isn't much glamour in flying these days, as more airlines and people have made it not much more than getting from Point A --> B.
Anyway - I would find it rather sore on the eyes if I saw that guy anywhere outdoors wearing that. Yesterday I saw a teenaged boy walking/crossing an intersection in San Jose. He was wearing a jeans, and a T-shirt that was cut right around his belly button... it looked kinda like a tube top. It was a silly thing to wear (IMO), and to me that's unnecessary regardless of the road or the airport.
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:29 pm

Quoting rsrik (Reply 14):
But that said, I don't see why additional care and effort must go into one's attire at an airport - I mean, if I won't wear business casuals for an evening out or a movie, why at an airport?

I think society in general has become more casual, and I don't really see anything wrong with that. Along the same lines of what rsris said, I wear a tshirt and shorts to work on a regular basis; why should I dress any differently when I travel?

To paraphrase Scott Adams from one of his Dilbert books, I tend to follow the "engineer's philosophy towards clothing." That is, as long as I'm warm enough, and all my naughty bits are covered, my clothing has served its purpose. Granted, the guy in the story the OP linked to took it a bit farther than I would, but at the same time I don't see the need to dress up, either.
 
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:21 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
I wear an everyday outfit - non-ratty jeans and a polo, usually - that I can wear again later in the trip.

Thats fine. Unless I am flying down to a tropical destination I always wear jeans and a polo. And even shorts and a polo if I am flying a ATR to NAS or something. People dont dress at all. I hate when I see people in jerseys and shorts or sweat suits etc.. I think it says something about people. They are traveling present yourself well. You dont need a suit just decent clothes.

Also one thing I HATE is WN FA's who have shorts! Come on WN. Talk about unprofessional.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:27 am

Hey hey

I feel when I pay money to fly First or Business it’s my right to wear whatever I want and I do – thinking about it I feel its sad for passengers who dress up to fly or feel they have to.

As for cabin crew I feel we need to look the part, smarter the better! I really dislike female cabin crew in trousers! Skirts all the way (for females) lol

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Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:33 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
I hate when I see people in jerseys and shorts or sweat suits etc..

Hi Steven
Not to challenge you at all, but why is that so? Flying, for most people, implies sitting in one seat for several hours with marginal wiggle room. So, why not be comfortable? Of course, I would fully agree with you is if someone wore sweat suits that are sweaty  , but if it looks clean enough, why not?
I am interested in knowing your opinion. Cheers.
 
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:51 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
I did the last minute F upgrade on US (LAX-CLT) in June and felt sorely out of place - even getting a few surprised/dirty looks - strolling on the plane rather late with the last of the Y pax wearing a T-shirt, shorts, and gym shoes but then plopping down in the last row of F whilst everyone else was dressed in business casual, designer labels, or suits.

I feel that whenever I fly F in US, and only US, people who are dressed scrubby get stares, same with having kids up front. Why on US only, I have no idea.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:25 am

Quoting rsrik (Reply 18):
Hi Steven
Not to challenge you at all, but why is that so? Flying, for most people, implies sitting in one seat for several hours with marginal wiggle room. So, why not be comfortable? Of course, I would fully agree with you is if someone wore sweat suits that are sweaty , but if it looks clean enough, why not?
I am interested in knowing your opinion. Cheers.


You know I get that response a lot. Its is just something that bugs me. I understand the reasoning of flying is not that comfortable why not wear something that is. But at the same time I just see traveling as something you should present yourself well in. Just like when you go to a nicer restaurant or go golfing or something. I just feel that flying is not going to a sports game or hanging around your home. I like to present myself well when I fly. And I think the people who fly often are the ones who do this the most. Its a hard argument to make really, and my friends challenge me in this all the time. And really they win the argument. Its just a personal preference as well as a respect for flying and traveling. The dressing nicely is especially important to me when travelling abroad. I like to represent not only myself but my country well too. If someone from Estonia who has never met an American before sits next to me on my LHR-IAD flight I would want them to see an American as someone who dresses appropriate/nice and not someone in shorts, sandals and a jersey etc.. I completely understand the point of view of not caring and just being comfortable. But I find myself very comfortable in nice jeans and a polo shirt. I am not asking for suit and tie here.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:01 am

I don't go on my flights dressed and groomed as if I was Grace Kelly or Jackie O - although I would love to - but I always like to wear something nice and of good taste.

If flying long haul I will change to airline PJs/wear once I am on the flight and again before landing.

Going in airport Business or First lounges I feel there has to be some level of decency and respect for others as most will be wearing suit and tie and business attire for the ladies.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:44 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
Also one thing I HATE is WN FA's who have shorts! Come on WN. Talk about unprofessional.

Back in a day, they used to wear miniskirts and go-go boots.  
Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I can't think of another rational explanation as to why someone (let alone a 50-60 year old man) would wear this in public.

You should have posted a warning regarding the pic in that article.   

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
What does surprise me is that this was at DFW. In a liberal place like SFO I would almost expect this type of thing, but Texas??

You obviously have never been through the Deep Elim District part of Dallas.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
The LCCs tend to attract an entirely "different" crowd

The guy in question was going to board an AA flight which flies (no pun intended) directly in the face of that argument.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
which is probably why WN has such a strict "dress code" unlike many other airlines - with the more trashy folks they tend to cater to, they absolutely need to have it!

I'm sure if one read through other carriers' Contract of Carriage; they would probably find a similar policy statement of sorts. The difference may be, as with COS seating issues (requiring the purchase of 2 tickets in a packed flight), that WN actually enforces their policies more so than other carriers.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
Today it is perfectly acceptable to show up wearing no shirt at all!

Most places, even at baseball games, there are indeed signs stating that shoes and shirts are required for entry. However, once seated, that's another story.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
We have also become much more lax with regard to swearing, pornography, etc. Former taboos have become integral parts of our liberal society!

   I certainly agree with you on that one.

Anyway, for me, since all my past (as an adult) and upcoming flights were for personal trips; I usually don't 'dress-up' (one exception being that one flight that brought me home shortly before a church service that I was ushering at). If I am wearing shorts (if the weather at my O&D cities are warm enough); it's usually a clean pair of a reasonable length coveragewise. If it's warm enough for just an accompanying t-shirt (as opposed to a polo or dress shirt); I will usually select one that's clean and in decent shape. I haven't yet worn any of my vintage airline (Northeast or Midwest) t-shirts yet on a flight. I'm sure that would get a few stares. 

When I flew back from the ATL Community Day (a week before R/W 10-28 opened, I ran the 5k race that took place there); I was wearing the souvenir t-shirt of that event and a couple people at the terminal saw it and asked me a little about it.

Only once did I wear sandals and that because it was hot at both of my O&D cities and was for better ease of going through security.

That said, I can understand a little bit when people (usually of an older generation) comment about when people used to dress up to go everywhere (including flights); but at the same time, if the pre- or post-flight occasion doesn't warrant it, I don't see the big deal except that the clothing worn should be clean, modest and appropriate.

Obviously, the guy in the article doesn't fit the bill IMHO.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
Quoting sectflyer (Reply 5):
Quoting flymia (Reply 16):


Given that this particular incident involved a passenger heading for an American Airlines flight AND that the incident in question took place at an airport that WN does NOT serve (DFW); can we kindly not turn this into a WN-bashing thread?

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 7):
Fixed that for you.

   Nicely done. 
Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 11):
Having said that, when I travel, I will normally go 'sensible-smart' where I wear jeans, and a thin long sleeve sweater or polo. I like to think I look a little more presentable than the rest of the rabble in cattle class, but I'm not buttoned up and uncomfortable.

  

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
I don't go on my flights dressed and groomed as if I was Grace Kelly or Jackie O - although I would love to - but I always like to wear something nice and of good taste.

   Good to her a female's perspective on this subject.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:26 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
can we kindly not turn this into a WN-bashing thread

I am talking about WN FA's who wear shorts, not their passengers. People on all airlines dress poorly. But for flight crews to be wearing shorts! Come on.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:01 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 23):
I am talking about WN FA's who wear shorts

You obviously missed my earlier tid-bit:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
Back in a day, they used to wear miniskirts and go-go boots.

I should also add hot pants to the list. 

I'm guessing that the shorts are usually worn on routes containing mostly warm-weather cities. I don't think you're going to see a FA wearing shorts on a PHL-MDW flight outside of the summer months.

Truth be told, most if not all of the WN flights I've been on, regardless of season; the FAs are dressed in long pants. I have seen pics of FAs in shorts (from the Airways magazine special tribute issue to WN) but I haven't seen that up close and personal.

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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:34 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
I hate when I see people in jerseys and shorts or sweat suits etc..

That's just wherever. The jerseys have gotten out of control. Don't get a well known number and put your name on the back, etc. And leave you 69 or .08 jersey at home.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Going in airport Business or First lounges I feel there has to be some level of decency and respect for others as most will be wearing suit and tie and business attire for the ladies.

I've found that to not be the case. Usually most are wearing what would be called business casual at the most, with a lot of jeans and nice shorts.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:50 pm

The only reason I would dress up on a plane is for work. And that's because its company policy.

When I fly F or J or even Y I wear what I want. I bought the ticket. But within reason of course. Depending on where I'm going, I'll wear jeans, t-shirt, flip flops or sneakers. Maybe kakhi shorts if I'm going somewhere warm. I've yet to have someone give me a bad look or question me (flight crew or otherwise).
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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:05 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
Usually most are wearing what would be called business casual at the most, with a lot of jeans and nice shorts.
Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 26):
When I fly F or J or even Y I wear what I want. I bought the ticket. But within reason of course. Depending on where I'm going, I'll wear jeans, t-shirt, flip flops or sneakers. Maybe kakhi shorts if I'm going somewhere warm. I've yet to have someone give me a bad look or question me (flight crew or otherwise).


Most probably true everywhere in the U.S. from my experience, not so in Europe.
I don't think they would like to have people showing up in shorts, flip flops and T.shirts at the FCT in Frankfurt.

Things change, it's a fact, only not always for the better.

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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:55 am

Geez this thread has brought out the fashion cops and prudes.  
Quoting SCCutler (Reply 7):
I did see a burlap bag with a live turkey in it, head sticking out, as checked baggage, once. This was on Fawcett Peru, Trujillo-Lima.

Awesome!
I bet it tasted really good after it reached it's destination.  
Quoting HorizonGirl (Reply 8):
I personally think this is atrocious.

You see guys dressed like that on a daily basis is San Francisco.
Don't go shopping at the Safeway on Market street if you're offened by that attire. 
I do agree that he looks terrible.

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 9):
I would say that his attire doesn't pose a security risk, and therefore not of concern to the TSA.

He'd be the last peron I'd be worried about in a high secured area such as an airport.

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 11):
I love turning heads and going against 'the grain' so to speak, so I may be a little biased... but I always respect the right of the individual, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

  
I am with you on that one.
I hate conformity.

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 15):
I think society in general has become more casual,

That is true.
I was really sad when we lost our last piano lounge at the San Francisco Embarcadero Hyatt several years ago.
It was replaced by loud house music being piped in large flat-screem TVs and really hard & uncomfortable seats.   
So much for having a conversation with your friends with the pleasant sounds of Burt Bacharach and Sergio Mendes tunes being played live on the piano.
I miss having cocktails there and their large overstuffed black leather sofas.

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
Also one thing I HATE is WN FA's who have shorts! Come on WN. Talk about unprofessional.
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
Back in a day, they used to wear miniskirts and go-go boots.

  

That's right and we liked it!  
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
The guy in question was going to board an AA flight which flies (no pun intended) directly in the face of that argument.

  

Surprised that people still complain about Southwest Airlines after 37 years of success.
I'll fly Southwest over American anyday!

Quoting flymia (Reply 23):
I am talking about WN FA's who wear shorts, not their passengers. People on all airlines dress poorly. But for flight crews to be wearing shorts! Come on.

So your telling us you have a problem with this?



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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:18 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
So your telling us you have a problem with this?

I think I would have a problem with most of the current FA's wearing those yes!   
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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:02 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
Most probably true everywhere in the U.S. from my experience, not so in Europe.
I don't think they would like to have people showing up in shorts, flip flops and T.shirts at the FCT in Frankfurt.

I didn't get a second look at the CX First Class lounge in HKG. But again money talks. I would be highly surprised if anyone said anything to me.
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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:21 pm

Quoting kimberlyrj (Reply 17):
I feel when I pay money to fly First or Business it%u2019s my right to wear whatever I want and I do %u2013 thinking about it I feel its sad for passengers who dress up to fly or feel they have to.

Just as you feel that it's your right to wear whatever you want when you fly, it's their right to dress as they please. It's far from "sad" for folks to dress up when they fly or feel like they have to. It's personal preference and people dress in a manner that they are comfortable in.

Quoting aa61hvy (Reply 26):
When I fly F or J or even Y I wear what I want. I bought the ticket. But within reason of course. Depending on where I'm going, I'll wear jeans, t-shirt, flip flops or sneakers. Maybe kakhi shorts if I'm going somewhere warm. I've yet to have someone give me a bad look or question me (flight crew or otherwise).

Of course, you bought the ticket which entitles you to "come as you are" (within reason of course). It's not like you're wearing a t-shirt with some sort of offensive content on it.


Once again it's personal preference. Myself, I prefer to dress nicer when I fly because that's what I got used to having to do when I was in the industry and had to dress in a presentable manner when traveling non-rev. But it also goes back to the job I had prior to being in the airline industry and having to wear a shirt and tie at work nearly everyday.
 
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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:33 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
Most probably true everywhere in the U.S. from my experience, not so in Europe

I've found it to be true in Europe as well. Not torn jeans and flip flops necessarily, but certainly not what you could call dressing up.
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RE: Proper Plane Attire (and Etiquette)-Where'd It

Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:06 pm

You can wear what you want but that guy looks horrible, I would feel very uncomfortable sitting next to someone like that.
You dont need to dress up to go on a flight these days but what you do wear should be decent.

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