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Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:07 pm

Sometimes while flying, the cabin crew makes an announcement that you may not use the bathroom in another class different from yours. I was curious as to whether there was a an actual aeronautical regulation or they just don't want economy class passengers using business class bathrooms. Do flight attendants ever actually enforce this announcement?
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:32 pm

You pretty much said it, they want to herd the cattle and keep them where they need to be     

I have personally seen people being turned away from heading into the J or F lavatory because they are sitting in Y and the same can and usually does happen to J passengers who want to venture into F. If I recall I think it may have happened to me as well.

Other airlines such as the big 5 star ones will never let you venture into a higher class for whatever the reason may be.

However when its the other way around things are different. A passenger sitting in F will venture out into J and Y or a J into Y to stretch out their legs on a long flight or take pictures as some anetter do.

Does anyone know the actual safety concern that is associated with this.

AA Ive noticed has a 50/50 announcement where sometimes the FA will announce For Safety/Security reasons pleaseo only use the lavatory where you are ticketed and the other times they leave out the Safety bit
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:12 pm

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 1):
I have personally seen people being turned away from heading into the J or F lavatory because they are sitting in Y and the same can and usually does happen to J passengers who want to venture into F.

I have seen that happen many, many times. Some carriers don't seem to care, and in my experience they're the carriers with the lowest standards in their premium cabins. Passengers paying several times the Y class fare for F and J class service shouldn't have to compete with the entire Y class cabin for access to lavatories in the premium cabins. That's all part of the service they're paying for.
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:28 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
and in my experience they're the carriers with the lowest standards in their premium cabins

Very true , same thing happens with overhead luggage. Its actually Swiss that have signs saying ''Business Class only'' on the overhead lockers and rightfully so. I have seen a bag checked where a Y class passenger upon boarding put his large case above row 1 then made his way down to the back. Meanwhile a J class passenger had no where to put his own case above his seat. Crew should enforce bathrooms and lockers all the time. I have seen Y class passengers streaming up to Business class and interupting the service ( blocking the aisle ).
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:41 am

Happened to me on my TG BKK-SIN flight on a Boeing 777-200ER. Despite a sign saying "Royal Silk Class only" on the Business Class lavatories, an economy passenger barged up to use after I finished using it as the curtains were not closed.
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:40 am

Forgive my frank words.

Unless it's a true bladder or colon emergency, passengers should use the lavatories in their assigned cabins.

The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:04 pm

Like many policies there are multiple reasons for its existence. The safety citation is related to the no-congregating around the cockpit door regulation. The premium cabin lavs are usually near the flight deck door. The main reason that the premium lavs are always off limits to passengers not ticketed in that cabin is that the premium passengers paid a premium and should no have to wait in long lines for a lavatory.
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:11 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

Not all lavatories are like that in the F class area......
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:25 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

I was told that people that sat in those "forward cabin seats" didn't actually ever go to the bathroom.   
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:33 pm

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Sometimes while flying, the cabin crew makes an announcement that you may not use the bathroom in another class different from yours. I was curious as to whether there was a an actual aeronautical regulation or they just don't want economy class passengers using business class bathrooms.

This is much more enforced on US bound flights, for obvious reasons.

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Do flight attendants ever actually enforce this announcement?

Yes, because at my airline we are obliged to maintain the exclusivity of the premium cabins, especially because the lavs are most times located either in the front or middle of the premium cabins (sans A380, but then that's a whole different level) which then increases aisle traffic in the J cabin. We rarely ever have Economy Class passengers using the F lavs, they don't usually make it that far without being stopped by cabin crew  
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
Passengers paying several times the Y class fare for F and J class service shouldn't have to compete with the entire Y class cabin for access to lavatories in the premium cabins. That's all part of the service they're paying for.

Yes, and also our J and F lavs are differently stocked than our Y lavs. We have additional toiletries (cologne, lotions etc) and towels in the premium cabin lavs as compared to our Y lavs.


Quoting iairallie (Reply 6):
Like many policies there are multiple reasons for its existence. The safety citation is related to the no-congregating around the cockpit door regulation.

Yes, again, especially on US and Europe bound flights.
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:23 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 8):
I was told that people that sat in those "forward cabin seats" didn't actually ever go to the bathroom.

They do but when they do it smells like roses LOL
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:22 am

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
Forgive my frank words.

Unless it's a true bladder or colon emergency, passengers should use the lavatories in their assigned cabins.

The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

Could not have said it better myself.
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:42 pm

Cattle should be kept where they are designated. I find it very annoying to have coach passengers use the lavs in business class.
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:20 pm

As two other people have already pointed out...

The thought and rationale behind keeping the FC lav for FC customers was also to ensure large "groups" weren't congregating around the forward lav... which also tends to be located next to a door that for the majority of the flight if not the entire flight remains shut. All I need to say on that one... you all can fill in the pieces for the rest....

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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:22 am

On 2-class E-190/195s, with only one lavatory for Y class, there's a very high passentgers-to-lavatory ratio compared to most types. For example, AC's E-190s have 9 J and 84 Y seats, with one lavatory at the front for the 9 J passengers and one at the rear for the 84 Y passengers.

That's not an issue on a 1 or 2 hour flight where hardly anyone uses the lavatories anyway, but on sectors like YYZ-SEA or YYZ-PDX with a block time of just over 5 hours, it's a bigger problem. Even the highest-density all-Y 737-800 with 189 seats has 1 lavatory for 63 passengers.
 
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:13 am

I have wondered if the "no congregating / don't use the lavatory outside your class" rule had a little bit to do with center of gravity (weights and balance). It probably doesn't. I always wondered what would happen if too many people went to one section of a big plane. It probably has nothing to do with it, but it has crossed my mind...
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:42 am

Quoting GeneralAviator (Reply 15):
I have wondered if the "no congregating / don't use the lavatory outside your class" rule had a little bit to do with center of gravity (weights and balance). It probably doesn't. I always wondered what would happen if too many people went to one section of a big plane. It probably has nothing to do with it, but it has crossed my mind...

You wouldn't want to do it at takeoff or landing, but at cruise, the speed is high enough that the weight & balance is not as much of an issue. That's not to say it isn't important as the pilots and onboard computers can and are constantly adjusting the fuel to keep the CG in a specific window, but the window for "takeoff and landing" is different (more sensitive) than while at cruise.

Anyway, for the topic at hand:
I think it depends on the flight and the aircraft type. I can tell you that if I'm sitting in the first couple rows of Y on an MD-88 and the drink trolley is between me and rear lavs, I'm going to use the lav in F and have on multiple occasions. On a widebody or large a/c with multiple lavs, it becomes more practical to keep passengers in their assigned cabin.
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:26 pm

Is it not the case that you SHOULD get what you pay for?

1. A cabin with 14 seats and 2 toilets. Great space great meals and great leg room and personal service.

2. A cabin with 44 seat 2/3 toilets. Good space,nice meals and good service.

3. A cabin with 180 seats 4/8 toilets, Poor/okay space,average meals and okay service.

You KNOW what you are paying for before you fly, don't imagine you going to get anything else and you will not be disappointed.  
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RE: Using The Bathroom In Business Class

Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:50 pm

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 9):

This is much more enforced on US bound flights, for obvious reasons.

It's a US federal regulation for any international bound flight coming into the States to have passengers stay in their own cabin - the regulation requires the airline to announce it to the passengers.

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