Curiosity more than anything, but which of these Western airports gets more flights to and from the Far East, LHR or LAX???

I assume CDG, FRA, SFO and JFK are upthere as well....

- netjetsintl
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Curiosity more than anything, but which of these Western airports gets more flights to and from the Far East, LHR or LAX???

I assume CDG, FRA, SFO and JFK are upthere as well....

I assume CDG, FRA, SFO and JFK are upthere as well....

- point2point
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I'm guessing that you would assume the Far East being an area of Asia that east of India, but not including India, and west west of Japan, and including Japan

I don't know the frequencies or number of seats, but just looking at maps for those six airports, nonstop routes can be observed as follow.

FRA 1(5) - KUL SIN BKK HKG SGN HAN CAN TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT NGO KIX

CDG (13) KUL SIN BKK SGN HAN CAN TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT KIX

LAX (11) HKG CAN TPE PVG PEK ICN NRT BKK SIN MNL (GUM?)

LHR (9) KUL SIN BKK HKG TPE PVG PEK ICN NRT

SFO (9) TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT KIX MNL (GUM?)

JFK (5) HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT

I think this is a fairly accurate pix of Far East nonstop routes from these airports.

[Edited 2010-09-09 14:34:51]

I don't know the frequencies or number of seats, but just looking at maps for those six airports, nonstop routes can be observed as follow.

FRA 1(5) - KUL SIN BKK HKG SGN HAN CAN TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT NGO KIX

CDG (13) KUL SIN BKK SGN HAN CAN TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT KIX

LAX (11) HKG CAN TPE PVG PEK ICN NRT BKK SIN MNL (GUM?)

LHR (9) KUL SIN BKK HKG TPE PVG PEK ICN NRT

SFO (9) TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT KIX MNL (GUM?)

JFK (5) HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT

I think this is a fairly accurate pix of Far East nonstop routes from these airports.

[Edited 2010-09-09 14:34:51]

- seansasLCY
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I'm quite sure AMS would be quite high up aswell.

According to wikipedia (Not the greatest source) AMS has flights to

HKG, PEK, PVG, TPE, BKK, SIN, NRT, ICN, KUL, CAN, MNL, KIX, CGK, CTU, HGH, DPS

a total of 16 destinations.

According to wikipedia (Not the greatest source) AMS has flights to

HKG, PEK, PVG, TPE, BKK, SIN, NRT, ICN, KUL, CAN, MNL, KIX, CGK, CTU, HGH, DPS

a total of 16 destinations.

The question seemed to be about number of flights

So we know the number of destinations but what about number of flights.....

So we know the number of destinations but what about number of flights.....

- netjetsintl
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Quoting point2point (Reply 1):FRA 1(5) - KUL SIN BKK HKG SGN HAN CAN TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT NGO KIX
CDG (13) KUL SIN BKK SGN HAN CAN TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT KIX LAX (11) HKG CAN TPE PVG PEK ICN NRT BKK SIN MNL (GUM?) LHR (9) KUL SIN BKK HKG TPE PVG PEK ICN NRT |

Thanx, just curious, always wondered what western airport had the most flights to/from Asia... certainly didn't think it was FRA, I'd have thought it was LAX or LHR

Quoting point2point (Reply 1):LAX (11) HKG CAN TPE PVG PEK ICN NRT BKK SIN MNL (GUM?) |

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 4):FRA, I'd have thought it was LAX or LHR |

Need to remember frequencies.

2 TPE flights out of LAX, 2 HKG flights, 4 ICN flights and 7 NRT flights. So city wise LAX may be behind FRA but I'm certain that LAX has more actual Asian flights.

Go big or go home

Quoting point2point (Reply 1):JFK (5) HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT |

EWR (6) NRT TPE PEK PVG HKG SIN

LHR:

BKK - 5 daily (BA, QF, BR, 2 x TG)

KUL - 2 daily (MH)

SIN - 7 daily (2 QF, 2 BA, 3 SQ)

HKG - 9 daily (NZ, VS, QF, 2 BA, 4 CX)

ICN - 1 daily + 5 weekly (KE and OZ)

TPE - 3 weekly nonstop (CI)

NRT - 4 daily (NH, JL, BA, VS)

PEK - 2 daily (BA and CA)

PVG - 2 daily?? (MU, BA, VS) - not sure of frequencies for this route.

BKK - 5 daily (BA, QF, BR, 2 x TG)

KUL - 2 daily (MH)

SIN - 7 daily (2 QF, 2 BA, 3 SQ)

HKG - 9 daily (NZ, VS, QF, 2 BA, 4 CX)

ICN - 1 daily + 5 weekly (KE and OZ)

TPE - 3 weekly nonstop (CI)

NRT - 4 daily (NH, JL, BA, VS)

PEK - 2 daily (BA and CA)

PVG - 2 daily?? (MU, BA, VS) - not sure of frequencies for this route.

I wouldn't expect LAX (or any US airport for that matter), to be in the top 3 even in terms of frequencies because of distance constraints which causes airlines to operate larger planes. Also the strong hubs of NRT/ICN restrict non-stop service from LAX as too many airlines use these hubs to maximize their TPAC operations. To fly non-stop beyond China from LAX it starts to push into the ULH realm, especially so when you factor in the very strong head winds.

Quoting point2point (Reply 1):SFO (9) TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT KIX MNL (GUM?)
JFK (5) HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT |

I'd add SIN to that list. It's not nonstop but it is the same aircraft, flight number and the final destination after a short fuel stop at FRA (for JFK) and ICN, HKG (for SFO's 2 daily flights)

So that makes:

JFK (6) HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT SIN

SFO (10) TPE HKG PVG PEK ICN NRT KIX MNL (GUM?) SIN

OK - I'll bite ex FRA and leave the other airports to somebody else

BJS: CA 14/week + LH 7/week

BKK: TG 14/week + LH 7/week

CAN: LH 3/week

HAN: VN 4/week

HKG: LH 7/week + CX 7/week

HKT: DE 2/week

ICN: OZ 7/week + KE 7/week + LH 7/week

KIX: LH 7/week

KUL: MH 5/week

NGO: LH 5/week

NKG: LH 3/week

PVG: LH 10/week + MU 7/week + CA 7/week

SGN: VN 2/week

SIN: LH 7/week + SQ 14/week + QF 7/week

TPE: CI 3/week

TYO: LH 7/week + NH 7/week + JL 7/week

179 per week

BJS: CA 14/week + LH 7/week

BKK: TG 14/week + LH 7/week

CAN: LH 3/week

HAN: VN 4/week

HKG: LH 7/week + CX 7/week

HKT: DE 2/week

ICN: OZ 7/week + KE 7/week + LH 7/week

KIX: LH 7/week

KUL: MH 5/week

NGO: LH 5/week

NKG: LH 3/week

PVG: LH 10/week + MU 7/week + CA 7/week

SGN: VN 2/week

SIN: LH 7/week + SQ 14/week + QF 7/week

TPE: CI 3/week

TYO: LH 7/week + NH 7/week + JL 7/week

179 per week

YVR: PEK, PVG, HKG, NRT, ICN, MNL, TPE, soon HND...so that's 7 and soon 8.

AMS: HKG, BKK, TPE, PEK, CAN, CGK, NRT, CTU, DPS, HGH, KUL, MNL, ICN, PVG, SIN for 15 destinations.

HNL: NRT, TPE, NGO, KIX, MNL, ICN and soon HND...so 6, soon 7.

since Australia is culturally Western:

SYD: PEK, PVG, ICN, BKK, HKG, SIN, TPE, CAN, DPS, CGK, NRT, HKT, KUL, MNL, HAN, and SGN for 16 destinations.

AMS: HKG, BKK, TPE, PEK, CAN, CGK, NRT, CTU, DPS, HGH, KUL, MNL, ICN, PVG, SIN for 15 destinations.

HNL: NRT, TPE, NGO, KIX, MNL, ICN and soon HND...so 6, soon 7.

since Australia is culturally Western:

SYD: PEK, PVG, ICN, BKK, HKG, SIN, TPE, CAN, DPS, CGK, NRT, HKT, KUL, MNL, HAN, and SGN for 16 destinations.

AC/AA/UA/DL/B6/WN/US*/CO*/FI/BA/IB/AF/SK/LX/Sabena*/TK/LY/SA/MN/SW/AM/CE*/CX/CA/MU/JL/SQ/TG/MH/KA/5J

interesting how many folks are counting city pairs.

The real power of an airport is the lift it offers, and that's frequencies.

And so far, looks like LHR is the clear frequency winner, right?

32+ daily from LHR including a handful of 380's; and 28+ from FRA.

And quite a few of those Heathrow flights continue on to other Asian cities in Oz and NZ.

There are 15 from LAX, but shouldn't they be able to add SYD, MEL, AKL, etc?. If these are added LAX will probably turn out to be the clear #2, like netjetsintl speculated.

The real power of an airport is the lift it offers, and that's frequencies.

And so far, looks like LHR is the clear frequency winner, right?

32+ daily from LHR including a handful of 380's; and 28+ from FRA.

And quite a few of those Heathrow flights continue on to other Asian cities in Oz and NZ.

There are 15 from LAX, but shouldn't they be able to add SYD, MEL, AKL, etc?. If these are added LAX will probably turn out to be the clear #2, like netjetsintl speculated.

Here is LAX.

I pulled schedules for the week of September 20th.

ICN – 31 weekly = 17x KE, 14x OZ

NRT – 49 weekly = 7x NH, 7x UA, 7x JL, 7x SQ, 7x AA, 7x DL, 7x KE

HKG – 17 weekly = 17x CX

PEK – 7 weekly = 7x CA

PVG – 7 weekly = 7x MU

CAN – 5 weekly = 5x CZ

TPE – 33 weekly = 18x BR, 12x CI, 3x MH

SIN – 7 weekly = 7x SQ

MNL – 9 weekly = 9x PR

BKK - 7x weekly = 7x TG

If you add in the South Pacific:

AKL – 19 weekly = 7x QF, 12x NZ

BNE – 9 weekly = 6x QF, 3x VA

NAN – 4 weekly = 4x FJ

PPT – 13 weekly = 10x TN, 3x AF

RAR – 1x weekly = 1x NZ

SYD – 34 weekly =14x QF, 7x DL, 7x UA, 6x VA

MEL – 9 weekly = 7x QF, 2x VA

TOTAL = 261 Weekly Departures.

Anyone want to add freighters in? We have about 100 freighter frequencies for Asia/Pacific regions weekly also.

I pulled schedules for the week of September 20th.

ICN – 31 weekly = 17x KE, 14x OZ

NRT – 49 weekly = 7x NH, 7x UA, 7x JL, 7x SQ, 7x AA, 7x DL, 7x KE

HKG – 17 weekly = 17x CX

PEK – 7 weekly = 7x CA

PVG – 7 weekly = 7x MU

CAN – 5 weekly = 5x CZ

TPE – 33 weekly = 18x BR, 12x CI, 3x MH

SIN – 7 weekly = 7x SQ

MNL – 9 weekly = 9x PR

BKK - 7x weekly = 7x TG

If you add in the South Pacific:

AKL – 19 weekly = 7x QF, 12x NZ

BNE – 9 weekly = 6x QF, 3x VA

NAN – 4 weekly = 4x FJ

PPT – 13 weekly = 10x TN, 3x AF

RAR – 1x weekly = 1x NZ

SYD – 34 weekly =14x QF, 7x DL, 7x UA, 6x VA

MEL – 9 weekly = 7x QF, 2x VA

TOTAL = 261 Weekly Departures.

Anyone want to add freighters in? We have about 100 freighter frequencies for Asia/Pacific regions weekly also.

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- Viscount724
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Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 4):Thanx, just curious, always wondered what western airport had the most flights to/from Asia... certainly didn't think it was FRA, I'd have thought it was LAX or LHR |

FRA has more directly-served destinations (total destinations worldwide) than any other airport in Europe I believe CDG and AMS are next. You can fly direct from all 3 airports to significantly more destinations in the world than from LHR.

- BasilFawlty
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Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 2):I'm quite sure AMS would be quite high up aswell.
According to wikipedia (Not the greatest source) AMS has flights to HKG, PEK, PVG, TPE, BKK, SIN, NRT, ICN, KUL, CAN, MNL, KIX, CGK, CTU, HGH, DPS |

HKG: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 7x CX

PEK: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 7x CZ

PVG: 11x weekly = 11x KL

CAN: 7x weekly = 7x CZ

CTU: 4x weekly = 4x KL

HGH: 3x weekly = 3x KL

ICN: 10x weekly = 7x KL, 3x KE

NRT: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 7x JL (JL services will end soon)

KIX: 7x weekly = 7x KL

MNL: 7x weekly = 7x KL

TPE: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 4x CI, 3x BR

BKK: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 4x CI, 3x BR

KUL: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 7x MH

SIN: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 7x SQ

CGK: 14x weekly = 7x KL, 7x GA

DPS: 4x weekly = 4x KL

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