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AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:04 am

In a video I watched on Youtube the Upper Deck of the 747-400 has six seats across. Is this standard seating on all of AF's 744's or just high density leisure routes?

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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:12 am

It's the same on all. The upper deck also has about 2 inches greater seat pitch than the main deck. It's by far the best Y class product on any 747 I've flown on. I think AF now restricts the upper deck to their elite frequent flyers, or to those who pay a surcharge for the more spacious seating.
 
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:26 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
It's the same on all.

Pretty much. The seats appear to be the same but are sold as Tempo in the standard configuration but Alize in the CIO planes.
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:51 am

Thanks for the info. Now I have another question: why does AF have Y seating upstairs? Is this common for other airlines too? I've always been under the impression that F/J seating would be upstairs.

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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:55 am

Quoting cvg2lga (Reply 3):
I've always been under the impression that F/J seating would be upstairs.

Many carriers do put business there, but there are examples of operators putting each class up there. Lufthansa puts first there, many others put business there, and Air France, Air Pacific, and probably others put coach there. That said, I've found the nose section of the 747 to be just about the nicest place to spend a flight, so if you're flying in business, that is a plus for LH or a two class carrier.
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:00 am

I have to agree with you there. I've been in the back, in the nose and upstairs (NW/DL) nothing beats the front. But if we have to sit in the back hopefully it is either in an exit row or by the lav with an aisle seat lol  

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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:03 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
Quoting cvg2lga (Reply 3):
I've always been under the impression that F/J seating would be upstairs.

Many carriers do put business there, but there are examples of operators putting each class up there. Lufthansa puts first there, many others put business there, and Air France, Air Pacific, and probably others put coach there. That said, I've found the nose section of the 747 to be just about the nicest place to spend a flight, so if you're flying in business, that is a plus for LH or a two class carrier.

When Swissair took delivery of their 747-300s they had 69 Y class seats upstairs. They had no business class then, just F and Y (and SR's inflight service in Y, apart from the seat, was better than many of today's J products). When SR introduced business class they replaced the 6-abreast Y seats upstairs with 4-abreast J seats.

AC and CP Air both had Y class seats on the upper deck of their 747-200s at one time.

The high-density 747-400Ds used by JL and NH on domestic routes in Japan have over 80 Y class seats on the upper deck.
 
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:29 am

BR has Y upstairs on its 744s as well -- it's very pleasant if you get a seat up there.

In the days, SA also had Y in the bubble.
 
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:37 pm

Quoting cvg2lga (Thread starter):
In a video I watched on Youtube the Upper Deck of the 747-400 has six seats across. Is this standard seating on all of AF's 744's or just high density leisure routes?

6 abreast at UD is certainly not a high density configuration just by itself. AF Y class at UD of the 747 is a great product with a lot of space.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
That said, I've found the nose section of the 747 to be just about the nicest place to spend a flight, so if you're flying in business, that is a plus for LH or a two class carrier.

I agree with you. AF has also part of the J class in the nose section and it's a very nice place
 
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:59 am

Quoting cvg2lga (Reply 3):
why does AF have Y seating upstairs?

AF used to have J seats upstairs in the B744 when they still had a First Class.
The First Class was on the main deck in the "nose", then Business upstairs and main deck between doors 1 and 2 and then economy.
When AF removed the F class from the B744 (and also from the A343 & A332), then the "nose" was fitted with J seats and the upper deck with Y.
This is also why all the AF B744 have PTV in Y at he upper deck : as it was previously a J Class, there was already all the wire connections required for PTV ...
 
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:36 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
That said, I've found the nose section of the 747 to be just about the nicest place to spend a flight, so if you're flying in business, that is a plus for LH or a two class carrier.

I guess it depends. I flew LH in C class in the nose section and behind the nose section and found the seats to be a bit cramped in the nose section. Especially in the first and second row as the fuselage becomes narrow. I still prefer UD seating in C.  
 
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RE: AF 744 Upper Deck Seating Question.

Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:21 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 8):
AF has also part of the J class in the nose section and it's a very nice place

It certainly is. And it's the best place for quiet, except for the vibration of the nose gear in sharp turns.

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 10):
I flew LH in C class in the nose section and behind the nose section and found the seats to be a bit cramped in the nose section.

I found the opposite on Air France. Row 1 might not have been the best but row 2 was great. There was about 8 inches to a foot of extra space between the window seat and the wall which was great for storing the pillow and blanket. Plus the closet in the front is nice to have, not to mention that people aren't passing through all the time. And if you're travelling alone, it would probably be great to have the throne in the middle. (I like a window, but there isn't much to see on a red eye flight anyway)
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