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Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Again

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:38 pm

Who thought severly damaged aircraft can not be repaired and fly again?



Two good examples:

Eastern 727 (N812EA)
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Continental MD-80 (N18835)
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I find it interesting that these airlines decide to keep and repair them. Good spirit?



Do you have more good examples?
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:41 pm

Certainly one that comes to mind is the WN aircraft that overran runway into a city street, N471WN, now flying as N286WN.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:42 pm

Yeah, the BOAC 707 that lost an engine on take off from London Heathrow in 1968 - its nose was transplanted onto a TWA 707 that had had the cockpit destroyed by a bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOAC_Flight_712

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The nose section of G-ARWE was salvaged, and used on a Boeing 707-331B, TWA's N28714, c/n 18408. The recipient aircraft was previously registered N779TW, which had been hijacked on a flight from Rome to Athens. Its cockpit had been destroyed by a bomb at Damascus, Syria, on 29 August 1968. It was found that the rest of the airframe was undamaged. The nose section of G-ARWE remained intact after the fire, and thus was fitted to N776TW. That aircraft was test flown on 4 December 1969 and flew with TWA for another ten years as N28714. In March 1980 it was withdrawn from service and stored at Kansas, Missouri. In 1983 it was sold to Boeing and flown to Davis–Monthan Air Force Base for use as spares for the United States Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker fleet. N28714's registration was cancelled in March 1984.
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:44 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 1):
Certainly one that comes to mind is the WN aircraft that overran runway into a city street, N471WN, now flying as N286WN.

Why the registration change?
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:44 pm

Two that come to mind are an AQ 737 that had part of the top of it tear away in flight on an inter-island flight in Hawaii and the UA 747 that lost its cargo door and a section of fuselage skin above it on a HNL to NRT (or was it HKG) flight.
Both were repaired and flew again
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:47 pm

Qantas 747-400 VH-OJH, incident occurred in 1999, was repaired and put back into service:

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:49 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
and the UA 747 that lost its cargo door and a section of fuselage skin above it on a HNL to NRT (or was it HKG) flight.
Both were repaired and flew again

I believe it was HNL-AKL actually.
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:51 pm

Wasn't there a fairly new E175 that overran the runway (in CLE I think) that sustained substantial damage to the nose. I think they riveted on a new nose shipped up from Brazil and the thing was put back into service.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:51 pm

The two that pop into my head immediately for me are:

N522JB which had an engine fire which required over a month of hangar time while Airbus On-wing re-built the freakin' wing:


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..and N536JB which had it's famous landing in LAX:


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Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:52 pm

The JAL DC-8 which landed in San Francisco Bay 2 1/2 miles short of the runway in 1968 - was refurbished at near the cost of the aircraft when new and flew on for JAL into the 80s. I think the plane ended up with Airborne Express as N808AX and was finally scrapped sometime late in 2001.

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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:55 pm

C-GAUN, more affectionately known as the 'Gimli Glider'.


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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:58 pm

And don't forget that SATA A320 that had a landing sufficiently hard to pop a few rivets; it actually flew immediately after that (i.e. before repairs were carried out); it has now been repaired and returned to service.

There was also a JAL 747 that slid off a taxiway at ANC; it was returned to service (although after a long time).

Probably the best example is a USAF C-130 that was buried in antarctic ice; I believe it was transported to Christchurch NZ, where repairs were carried out by ANZ. Tough old bird, the Herk!
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:01 pm

There is the famous AF 744, can't search for pics just now.
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:04 pm

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
I find it interesting that these airlines decide to keep and repair them. Good spirit?

It is purely economics. Almost anything can be repaired but for a price. The airline, owner (leasing company or bank), and the insurance company all determine what is the most reasonable and cost-effective course of action.

Also depends on an airline's fleet plans. If the fleet type was being retired or removed, then they wouldn't bother to repair the aircraft.

Engines, systems, doors, tails, and even wings can be replaced or repaired. However if there is significant bending to the fuselage or damage to the pressure bulkheads the aircraft will be written off.

"Damaged beyond repair" all depends on the extent of the damage, what parts need to be repaired/replaced, and the amount of labor required to repair.

A newer aircraft will often be repaired since it still has substancial value. The bar can be much lower on an older, fully depreciated, and paid-off aircraft.

This is often why you will see newer aircraft repaired, while with an older aircraft even a minor issue will send it off to retirement. An example of such was the NW DC-9-50 up in MSP a few years ago that lost braking power and collided with an Airbus. The damage to the DC-9 was repairable, but expensive especially for a 30 year old aircraft. Wheras similar, if not worse damaged occured to a NW 757 a fews ago in LGA but that aircraft was repaired and returned to service.

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
Do you have more good examples?

The NW 727 where its wing sheared into the side of a NW DC-9 lost in the fog while taking off in DTW in December 1990

There was a E-170 in CLE a few years ago that suffered significant damage to the forward fuselage during a runway incident in a snowstorm.

A Mesaba Saab 340 that was significantly damaged when a hangar collapsed from high winds in a thunderstorm in DTW back in 2000; required new horizontal and vertical stabilizers I believe.

The Express I Saab 340 that rolled into a concrete drainage ditch in MEM, aka the "ditch witch"
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:07 pm

AIR FRANCE B747-400 F-GITA

While landing in poor weather on Rwy 22 at PPT (Papeete/Tahiti) from LAX, on Sept. 12 1993, the aircraft hydroplaned into the Pacific Ocean on the west side of the runway after an engine failure (3 engines went on reverse, 1 went on full thrust). the aircraft was repaired and returned to service and was since then affectionately called "le GITAnic" by AF Crews.
It was retired from service by Air France in 2010 and broken up...

 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:33 pm

On March 28 2002, the newly restored Boeing Stratoliner 307 "Clipper Flying Cloud" (NC19903) was forced to ditch into Elliott Bay after severe engine trouble ...


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It was restored again and flown to Washington DC in June 2003 to be displayed in the Steven Udvar-Hazy Center.


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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:29 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):

Great example!
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:30 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):
The NW 727 where its wing sheared into the side of a NW DC-9 lost in the fog while taking off in DTW in December 1990

Yes, I remember that. It's amazing that 727 went back into service.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:53 pm

Japan Airlines Flight 2 in 1968. A DC-8-62, reg # JA 8032 landed several miles short of the 28s at SFO in marsh land. The plane was recovered and repaired and went back into review service with JAL.
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:51 pm

Mexicana landed a 727 gear-up on a training flight; as well as the minimum damage to belly and wings, it also caught fire. Was repaired and sold to Dan-Air. Sorry no reg but maybe others on here know her history better?
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:28 pm

We had a Falcon that landed short at LEX in it's previous life and punched the gear through the wing. It had a new wing put on it off another plane and is still flying today. It's a great airplane, probably my favorite 20, I think I have about 500 hours in it.

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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:39 am

These two comes instantly to my mind:

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Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:44 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 10):
C-GAUN, more affectionately known as the 'Gimli Glider'.

It wasn't really that severely damaged, mainly just the collapsed nose gear and some fuselage skin damage.

Another AC (then TCA) aircraft that WAS severely damaged but flew again was an almosts new DC-8-54F CF-TJM that overran the runway at LHR by about 2,000 ft. after a very late rejected takeoff on a flight to YUL and wound up in a cabbage field with major damage to the forward fuselage, engines, landing gear flaps, etc. Only a few minor injuries to the 97 passengers and crew. It was repaired in a BOAC hangar at LHR by a TCA and Douglas team and returned to service in 1964. It was the first DC-8 combi delivered (and the 2nd built). TCA was the launch customer for that model.

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Unfortunately that aircraft had further bad luck 3 years later in 1967 when it crashed near Top
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:46 am

Delta MD-88 N914DL- Landed short at LGA in 1996 (ripped off both main landing gear legs), but repaired.


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Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:52 am

For some reason I can't edit Reply 22 again. Some words in the text below the last photo disappeared when I edited it the first time. That sentence should read:

Unfortunately that aircraft had further bad luck 3 years later when it crashed near YOW on a training flight, killing the 3 crew.
 
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Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:59 am

Another was the Pan Am 707 that lost about 25 feet of the right wing, including the #4 engine which struck a building in San Bruno, narrowly missing several workers, after an uncontained engine failure soon after takeoff from SFO for HNL in June 1965. The damage caused a fire in the wing fuel tank. The aircraft made a successful emergency landing at Travis Air Force Base with no injuries to the 153 passengers and crew. The aircraft was repaired and returned to service.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19650628-0

Related TIME magazine article.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833903-1,00.html

Several photos, including a few taken by a passenger showing the wing on fire, in the following LIFE magazine article.
http://books.google.com/books?id=R1M...ravis%20air%20force%20base&f=false

The aircraft involved, 2 years before and 8 years after the event. It was the 2nd JT3D turbofan-powered 707-320B built.


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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:41 am

British Airways 747-236 G-BDXH was quite seriously damaged as it flew into an ash clowd over Indonesia performing flight 9 in 1982. It was repaired and flew until 2009, albeit with a good number of serious incidents throughout its life.


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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:46 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:10 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
Two that come to mind are an AQ 737 that had part of the top of it tear away in flight on an inter-island flight in Hawaii and the UA 747 that lost its cargo door and a section of fuselage skin above it on a HNL to NRT (or was it HKG) flight.
Both were repaired and flew again

Not so, N73711 (Aloha 243) was written off and never flew again after its emergency landing. It was dismantled on-site and sold for scrap and parts. See page 10: http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR89-03.pdf

Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
and the UA 747 that lost its cargo door and a section of fuselage skin above it on a HNL to NRT (or was it HKG) flight.
Both were repaired and flew again

I believe it was HNL-AKL actually.

Correct, it was UA811 flown by N4713U.
 
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After suffering a total loss of power and subsequent fire of the number 2 engine, the crew made a successful emergency landing. The airplane overran the end of the runway by 1,300 feet, but no additional damage occurred and there were no injuries to the passengers or crew.
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:39 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 19):
Mexicana landed a 727 gear-up on a training flight; as well as the minimum damage to belly and wings, it also caught fire. Was repaired and sold to Dan-Air. Sorry no reg but maybe others on here know her history better?

That would be G-BNLP, also known as 'Lumpy Papa' due to the clearly visible lump in the top of the fuselage after the repairs. Take a look at these photo of it in service with DA and check out the lump!


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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:10 pm

Quoting Plainplane (Reply 5):

Qantas 747-400 VH-OJH, incident occurred in 1999, was repaired and put back into service:

Apparently the aircraft flies differently to the other 747, some steering 'differences'

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):
It is purely economics. Almost anything can be repaired but for a price. The airline, owner (leasing company or bank), and the insurance company all determine what is the most reasonable and cost-effective course of action.

True in most cases, however, many claim that the QF 747-400 that overran in BKK was very costly to put back in service, in fact would have been cheaper to purchase a new 747-400. However QF paid it so they could still claim that they have never had a jet aircraft written off (which still stands today).
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:14 am

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 28):
Quoting 777STL (Reply 6):
Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
and the UA 747 that lost its cargo door and a section of fuselage skin above it on a HNL to NRT (or was it HKG) flight.
Both were repaired and flew again

I believe it was HNL-AKL actually.

Correct, it was UA811 flown by N4713U.

After repairs it was re-registered N4724U. I guess someone considered that the 13 in the original registration was unlucky.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Was Severly Damaged And Flew Aga

Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:47 am

Virgin Atlantic Airbus 340-300 G-VSKY suffered extensive damage after the failure of the left landing gear on a flight from LAX to LHR. The aircraft was repaired and put back into service.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Virgi...Airways/Airbus-A340-311/0709171/L/

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