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The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Skies

Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:29 pm

I recently flew LAX-LHR-LAX on NZ and their 744's. Now, its been a while since I have been able to travel on a 744 being that most of the flights I have taken have been all other types of aircraft. I have to say that I was still so impressed by the performance of this beast. Both flights were jam packed and the plane lifted off and climbed with such grace and power that I fell in love all over again with this plane. She still has the grace, elegance, and power that cant be matched. To me, she will always be the "Queen of the skies". Who else agrees
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:32 pm

When ever I think of International flights the first thing that comes to mind is a 747.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:41 pm

747-400 is the Queen of the sky, the Airbus A380 is the King of the sky! At least for me, comfort on the A380 is far better, but the 747s will always remain a big part of aviation history! Without the 747, we might not even see the A380 today. Just my opinion.  

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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:42 pm

It is a wonderful aircraft for sure. A true workhorse that does exactly what it says on the box. Very reliable and resilient, versatile and still the fastest up there.

It carries around 40T of payload even when loaded with fuel up the brim, I doubt even the A380 can do that (ok, it doesn't go as far).
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:54 pm

With all respect, I have to disagree. I have flown the B747-400 with Air France, Lufthansa and SAA, and the combi version with KLM, and it is a wonderful aircraft, but I am afraid that, sentimentalism apart, it has been or is surely about to be surpassed by the new generations of long-haul aircraft. The triple seven and the A340-600 were already a much nicer aircraft to ride in many respects, for example noise and comfort wise (although, conceededly, the refurbishment in the last few years of some 747-400 have worked wonders), and they also looked great on the tarmac or in the air. Then, with the advent of the A380-800, and soon with that of the B747-800, I think that the days of the 747-400 will be numbered.

I would put it this way: the A380 is now the King of Skies (and will be more so if Airbus launches the longer -900 version), and the new B747-800 will soon be the uncontested Queen of the Skies.

  
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:54 pm

There's nothing more majestic in aviation than the sight of a 747 on rotation, and the best looking of the 747 family is the 747-400. To my mind, she is the Queen of the Skies, nothing will ever dethrone her - not even the 747-8, because as much as the 747-8 is the better aircraft, it probably will not have the same impact on aviation, nor the vast numbers in the sky that the -400 enjoyed.

I haven't been on a 747 for over 15 years. I am counting down to my next flight on the 747. 8 days to go!
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:54 pm

Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 2):
747-400 is the Queen of the sky, the Airbus A380 is the King of the sky!

Since I consider aircraft to be female, I consider the A380 as the Empress of the Skies (denoting her position above a Queen).



Quoting francoflier (Reply 3):
It carries around 40T of payload even when loaded with fuel up the brim, I doubt even the A380 can do that (ok, it doesn't go as far).

Surprisingly enough, this is true, if just.

With a 397t MTOW, a 747-400 can load about 47 tons of payload using a Boeing-spec OEW with a maximum fuel load.

With a 569t MTOW, an A380-800 can load about 45 tons of payload using an Airbus OEW with a maximum fuel load.

But as you note, the A380-800 would be able to fly a good bit farther on that fuel load. So on missions closer to the endurance of the 747-400, the A380-800 would be able to lift more payload.
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:02 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Since I consider aircraft to be female, I consider the A380 as the Empress of the Skies (denoting her position above a Queen).

That would work, but the use of King and Queen allows to avoid any A vs B debates, which so easily start on A.net. Plus, I really like the A380, it is amazingly stable, quiet and comfy, even looks beautiful, but it is definitely not very feminine looking, at least the 800 version looks more like a big guy than a slender girl.
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:02 pm

Quoting Markam (Reply 4):
but I am afraid that, sentimentalism apart, it has been or is surely about to be surpassed by the new generations of long-haul aircraft.

That is true, the -400 is getting a bit long in the tooth, but that is what makes her special. All good things must come to an end sometime. She has withstood the test of time with flying colors so to speak. NZ's -400's are at least 15 years old but still perform like new. Dont get me wrong, I love the 777 and all the NG aircarft as well, but the -400 will always have a special place in most peopl's hearts.
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:09 pm

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 8):
That is true, the -400 is getting a bit long in the tooth, but that is what makes her special. All good things must come to an end sometime. She has withstood the test of time with flying colors so to speak. NZ's -400's are at least 15 years old but still perform like new. Dont get me wrong, I love the 777 and all the NG aircarft as well, but the -400 will always have a special place in most peopl's hearts.

Sure, I was definitely talking in practical terms. When it comes to sentiment and the history of aviation, I don't think anyone doubts the 747, and especially its -400 version will always be up there, since those aircraft changed the rules of the game, and were the first double-deckers around. However, that said, being realistic I think that the time for any 747s other than the new -800 version have almost come to an end.

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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:11 pm

I love Boeing-747. I flew on -200 and -300 and -400. On Air France and KLM - and on Transaero, of course.
I love this aircraft.

Still, looking at it (on pictures and in reality - on ground and it flight) - I should honestly say that more and more often - at least from some angles - it starts to look obsolete.
Please don't kill me - I have Transaero 747-300 on take-off right on my desk top and lap top.
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 8):
NZ's -400's are at least 15 years old but still perform like new.

The youngest was actually delivered in 1999 I think, so not quite that old.
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:25 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
The youngest was actually delivered in 1999 I think, so not quite that old.

Thanks. I meant to say "the average age" of their 744's is about 15 years old
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:37 pm

I think part of the reason the plane has earned the moniker is the length of its career, as well being part of the whole 747 program in general. There are whole generations of people that equate the 747 with international travel. The plane has worn the livery of most of the great historical airlines.

Give the 380 a few more years to make it's mark and you'll have a whole generation of people that feel about it the way a lot of us do about the 747. But giving it King or Empress now just seems like a bit of me-too-ism.
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting delimit (Reply 13):
I think part of the reason the plane has earned the moniker is the length of its career, as well being part of the whole 747 program in general. There are whole generations of people that equate the 747 with international travel. The plane has worn the livery of most of the great historical airlines.

And part of the reason this old gal still has devotees among us all is her willingness to soldier on, still looking amazing with her wings upswept on approach or detaching from runway skybound - and just ask the people who drive her how effortlessly she delivers.
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:35 pm

There were few if any 744s with 9 abreast seating in Y but the regulation era 747s were great with wide seats, generous pitch and lounge areas. Today's 10 abreast 31" pitch sardine cans are like 737s with more bin space.
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:44 pm

The 747, all variants, is an icon. Say the word "aeroplane" to anyone anywhere in the world and most will immediately think of a 747 in the same way as if you say "car" the VW Beelte springs to mind.

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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:57 pm

Fond as I am of the old bird, I am affraid its the 77W's, A346's and A380's I try and build into my long haul schedules these days....all superior in comfort to the 744 and magnificent machines in their own right

OK she's still a looker, but the cabin is just too noisy and most of the 744 fleet is already on its last fit out so interiors are generally shabby, even up front

Will for ever remember looking at the washing from the windows of Cathay 744's in that big right turn at Kai Tak and securing seats in the upper deck Business Cabins of SIA and BA 744's and enjoying the once fabulous SAA Business Class hospitality on their great white beasts on the way down to Cape Town...but thats what they are now, memories
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:58 pm

Well, given my name on here, that should speak volumes, but I will put my 2 cents in too. Hands down the sleek curves, of both its fuselage, the wing flex on those MTOW's, the sound of the 4 engines just easing into takeoff thrust, then throttled up, I dont think there will be any other a/c that matches its appeal. Sure this is only my opinion, and shared with many others, to each his own. And IMO, VH-OEJ takes the cake of them all.
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:27 pm

I very much agree with flaps30. The 747 in all its variants is truly the Queen of the Sky. I would also say King of the Sky! While in the U.S. Navy in 1969 I was statiioned in Seattle. Driving south on the freeway I would pass Boeing Field and see one of the first (maybe the first?) 747's parked on the tarmac. It's red and white Boeing livery and its long line of company decals of future owners stood out among all the other types at Boeing Field. A few years later I married. My wife's father was a captain for Pan American. He had just transitioned from 707's to 747's when he took me up to SFO to show me around his new "office". I remember he indicated for me to sit in the right seat, not the left seat. About four years later he retired (age 60!!) and we flew with him on his last flight. SFO - HNL - SFO. The airplane is still around; Pan Am is not.

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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:13 am

I love the 747-400. I had the pleasure flying with it last summer, twice. Though the A380-800 is much larger and quieter, nothing beats the feel of being inside a 747-400! I was lucky enough to sit in the J class section where you can see the magnificent engines during sunrise and sunset, I loved every minute of it! Plus the wonderful service from Asiana!

Most non a.netters would recognize the 747, if you'd say you're favorite A/C is the A330, they'd be like "the what?" The 747 is very popular and it will forever be the QUEEN OF THE SKIES!
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:27 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Since I consider aircraft to be female, I consider the A380 as the Empress of the Skies (denoting her position above a Queen).

An Empress is to an Empire is what a Queen is to a Kingdom. An Empress does not 'out-rank' a Queen, but a ruler (or wife of a ruler) of an Empire rather than a Kingdom. So I suppose it's fitting, then, that the A380 is Airbus' 'Empress' whereas the 747 is Boeing's 'Queen'.

However, I really don't think that the A380 will rule the skies the same way a 747 did. I doubt that the entire A380 program will sell as many as the 747.
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:35 am

I like both aircraft but for me if I had a choice to fly on a B747-400 or an A380 the A380 would be my choice , a lovely new A/C with a nice quiet cabin. Its the way to go IMHO.
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:33 pm

Lets hope A.net doesnt change our logo at the top from 744 to 380  Wow!
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 5):
There's nothing more majestic in aviation than the sight of a 747 on rotation, and the best looking of the 747 family is the 747-400. To my mind, she is the Queen of the Skies, nothing will ever dethrone her - not even the 747-8, because as much as the 747-8 is the better aircraft, it probably will not have the same impact on aviation, nor the vast numbers in the sky that the -400 enjoyed.

Couldn't agree more!!

Although I admire the A380 for it's size, economy and comfort, I love the 777 for those big-ass engines, I wish that my future wife has the perfect lines of the A345 and the A318 gives me a cute-ness overload in my humble opinion there is nothing like a 744 taking off!

Quoting 747LUVR (Reply 23):
Lets hope A.net doesnt change our logo at the top from 744 to 380

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Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:01 pm

It's big. I'm glad I flew it. I'd rather fly something else.
 
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Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:33 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 25):
It's big. I'm glad I flew it. I'd rather fly something else.

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Big it is. Would you like to elaborate for us on why you prefer to fly something else? Thank you.
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Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I like both aircraft but for me if I had a choice to fly on a B747-400 or an A380 the A380 would be my choice , a lovely new A/C

I have so far only flown the 380 twice, but it was truly fantastic and enjoyable. Indeed, I eagerly await my next trip aboard it.
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:24 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
I consider the A380 as the Empress of the Skies

A previous "Empress of the Skies", a Pan Am 747-123 (ex-AA).


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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:09 am

I've yet to fly on an A380, so can't comment on that side of things, but I just think the 744 is so much better looking than Airbus's new young upstart.

I remember sitting on a BA 744 about to depart LHR for NRT back in 1992, and I can still hear the pilot doing his welcome speach now, "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard flight XXX to Tokyo's Narita airport. You're flying today on a Boeing 747-400 - there's not much more I can add to that really."!
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:14 am

Ninteen-ninty, Varig 747, LAX - NRT - LAX, non-rev. This was my first 747 flight. I can vividly remember the feeling. Cavernous. My sister worked for Varig in Los Angles at the time and she was able to get me a non-rev ticket; I just had to pay the tax ! Yes, sibilings were part of the non-rev family back then! And did I mention - it was a first calss, upper deck accomodiation. Yeah! Back then, the flight deck was wide open and visitors were welcome on the 12 hour flight. It was marvelous. Printed menus, hostesses were great, service was exceptional; very classy. Have not flown A380 but I cannot imagine that it is in any way comparable to a Boeing 747. I have not even seen an A380 take-off but the magisty of the B747 whenever I see one is still a thrill. Perhaps the A380 will find it's place in aviation history; the B747 has already found its place.
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:22 am

Quoting B737900 (Reply 26):
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 25):
It's big. I'm glad I flew it. I'd rather fly something else.

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Big it is. Would you like to elaborate for us on why you prefer to fly something else? Thank you.

I don't like International flying (generic to any long-range aircraft,) the cockpit is cramped and noisy, and most importantly I like flying the A-320 better in every way. That's a start, but is not a comprehensive list.

It's my preference, others are welcome to disagree (and bid accordingly.) I could care less about its aesthetics: the hump is not pleasing to my eye, nor do I find the A-380 to be a beauty queen. I would likely prefer the A-380 only slightly because I prefer Airbus systems architecture and FBW philosophy, but the long-range issue would still be a deal breaker for me.

As for being the "Queen of the Skies," I never thought it was; to me it was just a big airplane that flew long distances. It does that well and I harbor no ill will towards it or the people who want to fly it, I just happen to prefer flying something else. Simple as that.
 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:15 am

Nowadays, the real rulers of the skies are 777s and A330s. Soon, they will be 787s and A350s.  
 
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Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:22 am

I hope the 747 is still an option when I take my first overseas trip! The best I've managed on domestic US sectors is the 777-200. Yes, its an absolutely sentimental feeling, and I know that there are better a/c in terms of inflight product, but I absolutely want that first flight to be on the venerable 747. I'll fly any other type on the way back, but that first one needs to be the 747! 
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:47 am

I think the poor queen now looks a bit tired, poor love. If you see her next to the fleet of shiny new A380s at LHR you realise her crown is a little tarnished.

I still love flying the 744 or any 747 really as a memory of the real glamour of flying. Remember Pan Am, TWA, BOAC, Braniff, all of that. When flying was exclusive amd still exciting.

I hope she hangs out a bit longer too. The queen may be dead, but long live the queen.
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RE: The Boeing 747-400, Still The Queen Of The Ski

Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:54 pm

I used to agree, until I flew the A380.

Apart from sentimental value, the 747 has no benefits over the A380, especially for very long cross pacific flights. The A380 is roomier, more comfortable, has better facilities, and MUCH quieter.
 
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:56 am

Just on looks alone, the B744 will have it all over the Flying Sausage (named in the LH flying magazine).
I have flown both the B744 feels like a private jet in the upper deck and the A380 feels like the A340!
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:27 am

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Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:33 am

When you board the A380 at JFK, with all three airbridges feeding the beast, it is a truly wondrous sight, like boarding an ocean liner. You then realize that the 380 indeed rules the skies now, like the QM and then the QE2. She is clearly the Empress of the Skies.
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:45 am

The 380 might be bigger. The 77W might be more efficient and have longer range.

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