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Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airports?

Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:52 am

Is the US the only place not to have this? Every other country ive been to has this (upong leaving), but not the US. What gives? I've always wondered the answer to the question. I searched on here, but i didnt find the answer  .
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:09 am

When you fly CPH-OSL there is no passport check either, but when you fly OSL-BILLUND there is passport checking, always wondered me to!
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:15 am

There is no departure passport control in the UK either
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:40 am

There are departure checks at UK airports, they're just random. That's what the desks on the other side of the security search area at LHR T3 and at least LGW North are for. I have been stopped before a couple of times.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:43 am

The USA is one of the most difficult countries to get into. It is very complicated and expensive to get a visa, many people will get rejected. They obviously do this to limit immigration, fearing that the country will become overpopulated.

So why have any checks of any sort on who gets OUT? If it is so hard to get in, getting out should be no issue.

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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:53 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):


The USA is one of the most difficult countries to get into. It is very complicated and expensive to get a visa, many people will get rejected. They obviously do this to limit immigration, fearing that the country will become overpopulated.

makes sense, but not really from a technical stand point. I have a US passport, so its no hassle for me, but countries ive been to, like malaysia, thailand, india, etc..all have passport control. Just wondered why the US doesnt...
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:54 am

Within the EU, there is NO passport requirement for passengers wishing to travel between countries within the Schengen Area.

However, for security purposes, passengers are required to have a photo I.D. with them (passport, driving licence, I.D. card etc) so that the airline can ensure that the person boarding is the person appearing on the airline booking.

Schegnen Area includes all EU countries (except UK and Ireland) as well as Iceland and Switserland. Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus are not yet in the Schengen Area but are expected to join within the next couple of years.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:59 am

There are exit checks in every country, it's just different ways. Conventionally you have immigration counters however in the US the exit check is kind of "done" at the check-in itself.

For non-immigrant visa holders you submit your I-94 form ,attached at the time of your entry to the passport, to the check-in agents. For immigrants/citizens their green card/passport check at the check-in registers their exit.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:06 am

Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
There are exit checks in every country, it's just different ways. Conventionally you have immigration counters however in the US the exit check is kind of "done" at the check-in itself.

For non-immigrant visa holders you submit your I-94 form ,attached at the time of your entry to the passport, to the check-in agents. For immigrants/citizens their green card/passport check at the check-in registers their exit.

ah k, hmmn, didnt know that. I didnt know the exit check was kinda done at check-in itself in the US. Yeah the I-94 thing i know about.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:14 am

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 8):

ah k, hmmn, didnt know that. I didnt know the exit check was kinda done at check-in itself in the US. Yeah the I-94 thing i know about.

but since I94W doesn't exist anymore, there is indeed nothing (except maybe passenger lists?) that might be used as a reference.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:17 am

FYI, there's no passport control leaving Canada either.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:48 am

Quoting 757ops (Reply 2):
There is no departure passport control in the UK either
Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 10):
FYI, there's no passport control leaving Canada either.

You can add Ireland to that list as well.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:51 am

Quoting daumueller (Reply 9):
but since I94W doesn't exist anymore, there is indeed nothing (except maybe passenger lists?) that might be used as a reference.

The I94W (green form for visa-waiver countries) is gone, but the I94 (white form travellers with US visas) is still alive and well!
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:14 pm

This is really more a political question than a aviation question and relates to the US view that the government should not be able to track the movements of US citizens.

The closest thing to an identity card most US citizens have is a driver's license issued under the authority of the various states. There is no national ID, there is no national registry of citizens.

We have specific laws which prevent the federal government from cross referencing such things as social security numbers against drivers licenses and citizenship status.

Both the political conservatives and the political liberals in the US are strongly against the government being able to track the movements of US citizens, and exit passport controls are seen as a form of that type tracking.

I do not see the political climate as allowing that to change within the next decade or so at a minimum.

Yes, that does leave the US without effective means to track when non-US citizens leave the country. The system is voluntary and most people comply.

But we have a tremendous problem with people who overstay their visa. Many of the illegal immigrants in the US entered the country legally on tourist or student visas and simply never left.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:27 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 6):
However, for security purposes, passengers are required to have a photo I.D. with them (passport, driving licence, I.D. card etc) so that the airline can ensure that the person boarding is the person appearing on the airline booking.

This is a really good example of people buying a pile of crock surely. What countries insist on this in law? Certainly not the UK where it is not and never has been a security issue. This is revenue protection pure and simple. It prevents me buying ten Ryanair tickets for next summer and selling them at a mark up in eight months time, this is profit that Ryanair rightly feels should be there's and not mine. Hence they WILL insist on checking your passport to see that you are the person who bought the ticket.

Airport security is a seperate issue regulated by statute, photo ID checks by airlines are a by product of revenue protection.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:34 pm

The US is very happy to see you leave! Just go! They won't hinder you with a passport check. Just go!

Actually this is an efficient policy, since id is checked by airlines at check-in, why bother doing it a second time? Waste of time and money.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 5):
makes sense, but not really from a technical stand point. I have a US passport, so its no hassle for me, but countries ive been to, like malaysia, thailand, india, etc..all have passport control. Just wondered why the US doesnt...

Yes there is.

Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
There are exit checks in every country, it's just different ways. Conventionally you have immigration counters however in the US the exit check is kind of "done" at the check-in itself.

  

Quoting daumueller (Reply 9):
but since I94W doesn't exist anymore, there is indeed nothing (except maybe passenger lists?) that might be used as a reference.

Replaced with an electronically readable passport. Why do you think your passport goes through the scanner? If there are any problems, rest assured that you'll be having a meeting with a couple of nice gentlemen from CBP  
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:07 pm

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 15):
The US is very happy to see you leave! Just go! They won't hinder you with a passport check. Just go!

Actually this is an efficient policy, since id is checked by airlines at check-in, why bother doing it a second time? Waste of time and money.



Totally agree, in this day and age of electronic lifestyles a system can be developed to help out with this. Now I ask if this system is in place? Most people autocheck or webcheck themselves, so who is actually checking the id against a list of possible wanted people? On the other hand the US does lack a sterile area for international flights, that is if they are interested in drawing international connections through their airlines. Most people would do it once and never again go through transit in the US, the hassle is huge.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:20 pm

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 15):
since id is checked by airlines at check-in

What about online check-in?
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:48 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Airport security is a seperate issue regulated by statute, photo ID checks by airlines are a by product of revenue protection.


  
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:04 pm

Quoting daumueller (Reply 9):
but since I94W doesn't exist anymore, there is indeed nothing (except maybe passenger lists?) that might be used as a reference.

I-94W IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL...Why would ayone think is gone?
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:11 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 13):
We have specific laws which prevent the federal government from cross referencing such things as social security numbers against drivers licenses and citizenship status.

Social Securiy numbers are required for many states now to get a Driver's License. As a matter of fact you will not be issed a U.S. Passport if you do not provide a SS#. Just look at the application. In this day and age dou you really think they are not doing that?...security and terrorism just one great reason.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 13):
Both the political conservatives and the political liberals in the US are strongly against the government being able to track the movements of US citizens, and exit passport controls are seen as a form of that type tracking.

Airlines report your exit. The minute they swipe your passport on the computer, where do you think that information goes?

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 12):
Yes, that does leave the US without effective means to track when non-US citizens leave the country. The system is voluntary and most people comply.

System voluntary? hmmmm.....

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 13):
But we have a tremendous problem with people who overstay their visa. Many of the illegal immigrants in the US entered the country legally on tourist or student visas and simply never left.

This is very true indeed we do. Face to face exit check would not fix it though.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:11 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):
The USA is one of the most difficult countries to get into. It is very complicated and expensive to get a visa, many people will get rejected. They obviously do this to limit immigration, fearing that the country will become overpopulated.

I have to completely disagree with this assertion. It is a common myth that the US is hard to get into. Getting a visa is actually extremely easy if you comply with the process. My sister-in-law, who like you is South African, got her 10 year visitor's visa in Johannesburg within a day. She applied online, submitted all her paperwork, went a couple of days later for her interview and walked out with her visa.

Now, compare that to the expense or time required for a Shengen visa. Or a UK visa. Or how about a visa to visit India? The US only denies those that do not comply with the immigration laws, and those laws are very clear and easy to understand.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:13 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 22):
The US only denies those that do not comply with the immigration laws, and those laws are very clear and easy to understand.

That depends almost entirely on the country of origin. Some have very high approval rates (probably north of 90 percent). Others are much lower (probably below 50 percent).
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:15 pm

I was flying EIN-BUD last Sunday, and was stopped twice to show my passport and boardingpass. Once at security, and once at the gate before boarding.

Why is this when both Nations are within Schengen?
 
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Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:26 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 22):
I have to completely disagree with this assertion. It is a common myth that the US is hard to get into. Getting a visa is actually extremely easy if you comply with the process. My sister-in-law, who like you is South African, got her 10 year visitor's visa in Johannesburg within a day. She applied online, submitted all her paperwork, went a couple of days later for her interview and walked out with her visa.

There's a big number of visa appplicationeach year, specially from those countries of high risk. In other words those who are seen as potential immigrants (B1/B2 and other class visa oversays mostly)
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:27 pm

Funnily enough, I was about to post the same sort of thread - I guess the idea must have got out there somehow and had CaliAtenza and I thinking the same thing,

Quoting Bogota (Reply 17):
On the other hand the US does lack a sterile area for international flights, that is if they are interested in drawing international connections through their airlines. Most people would do it once and never again go through transit in the US, the hassle is huge.

Is the lack of separated international area which can only be accessed by those traveling internationally also the case at other places mentioned without outbound passport checkpoints (UK, Ireland, Canada).

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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:02 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 14):
Airport security is a seperate issue regulated by statute, photo ID checks by airlines are a by product of revenue protection.

I disagree.......the checks were not made until after 9/11. Photo ID checks by the airlines are used as the first step in the security process.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:05 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):
They obviously do this to limit immigration, fearing that the country will become overpopulated.

Not sure that is the reason since there are states like Wyoming with basically nobody living there. It's more about welfare and other xenophobia.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):
So why have any checks of any sort on who gets OUT? If it is so hard to get in, getting out should be no issue.

The airlines are required to verify that the passenger holds a passport before they get on the plane and are fined if they are boarded without one. Additionally, there is a system whereby the airlines must submit the passport info electronically to the government around departure time on int'l flights, so the system is still there but it is not done the same way.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:27 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 26):


Is the lack of separated international area which can only be accessed by those traveling internationally also the case at other places mentioned without outbound passport checkpoints (UK, Ireland, Canada).



Not sure about Canada and Ireland, but UK definitely does have sterile areas. International departing planes are separate to the domestic departure planes. Once you enter that area you have to clear immigration to come back out, unlike the US where pax on a flight at JFK going to DCA could be standing just next to those boarding to LHR. That allow pax making an international connection to simply deplane, go through security (some airports do no even have that extra security area) and simply return to the international boarding areas.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:03 pm

Well, For a US international departure to a foreign country I do believe that it is a requirement that Airlines check visually for proper documentation ie a passport. When I was traveling heavily to Canada from the US. I had a Canadian Customs official, whom I had seen 10 times during that year ask me on a December arrival how long I was staying? I asked why? He indicated that I had been in Canada a totl of 175 days so far that year and said at 180 I was going to get a call fro Revenue Canada about my visits. I asked him how they knew? He indicated that while I swipe in with the Canadians and Swipe out with the US, they trade info .......
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:18 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 6):
However, for security purposes, passengers are required to have a photo I.D. with them (passport, driving licence, I.D. card etc) so that the airline can ensure that the person boarding is the person appearing on the airline booking.
Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 10):
FYI, there's no passport control leaving Canada either.

In both countries you require a photo ID to pass through airport security. But in parts of Canada, you require a photo ID at the gate as you board domestic flights. ID can be a driver's license or a state/provincial issued ID card rather than a passport.
 
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Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:25 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):
So why have any checks of any sort on who gets OUT? If it is so hard to get in, getting out should be no issue.

Well you might want to have passport checks when going OUT so you know who is IN your country. Ie - how do you know people havent over stayed visas etc etc
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:30 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 6):
Within the EU, there is NO passport requirement for passengers wishing to travel between countries within the Schengen Area.

However, for security purposes, passengers are required to have a photo I.D. with them (passport, driving licence, I.D. card etc) so that the airline can ensure that the person boarding is the person appearing on the airline booking.

Schegnen Area includes all EU countries (except UK and Ireland) as well as Iceland and Switzerland. Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus are not yet in the Schengen Area but are expected to join within the next couple of years.

It can even work outside the Schengen area under certain conditions, a French ID card is enough to go to Tunisia with a travel agency (plane tickets + hotel) whereas if you only buy a plane ticket you must have a passport. I wonder how they discriminate as when I went I was not aware of this and only showed my ID card, nothing about my hotel (it was an organized trip, but only for a small group, not all the plane).

And of course the ID is enough to go to the UK too, there is just immigration to clear.

All in all my passport is invalid since 5 years as I never went outside the EU and Tunisia. I even traveled a few times with an invalid ID (more than 10 years old), nobody noticed even if I was 13 on the picture ! It sure looks like the airport checks are not for security reasons.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 24):
I was flying EIN-BUD last Sunday, and was stopped twice to show my passport and boardingpass. Once at security, and once at the gate before boarding.

Why is this when both Nations are within Schengen?

Both times, they also asked for the boarding pass, didn't they ? They're just checking if your have a good reason to go airside, and then to embark on the plane.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 31):
In both countries you require a photo ID to pass through airport security. But in parts of Canada, you require a photo ID at the gate as you board domestic flights. ID can be a driver's license or a state/provincial issued ID card rather than a passport.

It's something of a joy to be able to fly domestically within the UK without so much as a photo ID. My last few BA and BMI flights all I have needed was my debit card which I never leave home without.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:35 pm

I posted this in another thread but since its the same topic here you go:



CBP does have a exit control program in trial at a few airports. This was a recommendation of the 9/11 commission recommending verified screening system for foreign visitors.

The last test program ran both at DTW and ATL during 2009 where inspection personnel to take biometric exit data, at the jetways (in Detroit) and TSA checkpoints (in Atlanta) of foreign nationals matching them up with their entry data.

Another trial is in the development stage in cooperation with airlines, whereby passenger biometric data(finger print) would be taken prior to departure. Most likely at the ticket counter check-in, or at the gate as part of the boarding process.

However as CBP mentions issue of land border control is the bigger issue. Not much help keeping an eye on airports, when millions can exit the US via land borders by simply walking or driving across.

If the day does come, then the government would have to fund large scale terminal redesigns as they are doing today for all the required TSA baggage screening for example. Per Congressional estimates, an airport exit control system could cost $10Bil annually.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:37 pm

Quoting steffenbn (Reply 1):
When you fly CPH-OSL there is no passport check either, but when you fly OSL-BILLUND there is passport checking, always wondered me to!

Wow, really, passport control from a Schengen country to another? You shouldn't even need to bring a passport traveling Norway to Denmark (or any other Schengen country).

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 6):
Schegnen Area includes all EU countries (except UK and Ireland) as well as Iceland and Switserland. Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus are not yet in the Schengen Area but are expected to join within the next couple of years.

You left out Norway, who are a part of Schengen, but not of the EU.

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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:53 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 36):
Quoting CYatUK (Reply 6):
Schegnen Area includes all EU countries (except UK and Ireland) as well as Iceland and Switserland. Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus are not yet in the Schengen Area but are expected to join within the next couple of years.

You left out Norway, who are a part of Schengen, but not of the EU.

You are absolutely correct. I stand corrected.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:12 pm

Quoting jonathan-l (Reply 18):
What about online check-in?

You still need to scan your passport at the airport.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 24):
Why is this when both Nations are within Schengen?

For security reasons, not immigration reasons.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:25 pm

To add my two cents. I don't know if the machines still exsist, but for a time, there was a passport exit control kiosk at major US airports near the international departure gates. I believe forigen nationals had to swipe their passport, and receive a piece a of paper that was collected.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:27 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):

When I am required to have my "papers" in order to leave the US will be the final straw for me.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:35 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
If the day does come, then the government would have to fund large scale terminal redesigns as they are doing today for all the required TSA baggage screening for example. Per Congressional estimates, an airport exit control system could cost $10Bil annually.

Based on past experience, the govt wouldn't fund a thing, but would simply set an unrealistic date and demand the airports build it and pass on the costs to passengers.  
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting banjo76 (Reply 19):

When I check in online EK asks for my details and forwards it to some database, I think it was APS.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:47 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 22):
I have to completely disagree with this assertion. It is a common myth that the US is hard to get into. Getting a visa is actually extremely easy if you comply with the process. My sister-in-law, who like you is South African, got her 10 year visitor's visa in Johannesburg within a day. She applied online, submitted all her paperwork, went a couple of days later for her interview and walked out with her visa.


Well, it can be easy, depending on the circumstances... or not. A good friend of mine comes from an EU visa wavier country, yet every time he comes to the US to visit he gets detained (sometimes for hours) by the CBP people (basically, it boils down to one agent having a bad day a few years ago and denied him at a land crossing, even though he has always complied with the entry/exit requirements). So a couple years ago he decided to get a visa to avoid the hassle. He arranged the meeting and paid his fee (like € 150?), only to get a 3 minute interview telling him 'sorry, your a student (even though you have a return ticket and bank statement with a plentiful balance), no luck. Thanks for your donation to the US treasury'.

However, the new pre-authorization system seems fairer and much less likely to put you at the mercy of a CBP agent who feels your not suitable for entry.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
Based on past experience, the govt wouldn't fund a thing, but would simply set an unrealistic date and demand the airports build it and pass on the costs to passengers.

Why would they not fund it?

They are currently providing billions in funding for redesign of facilities to accommodate things like check points and inline baggage screening systems for the TSA. Here at LAX, IIRC our running total is about $700mil+ in funding since 9/11.

Matter of fact, the Federal government has Letter of Agreement with local agencies stating it will provide atleast 75% of funding for Federally mandated changes.

So if the US were to adopt a departure screening process, I have no doubt the Federal government would cover the bulk of any burden at US airports.
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:12 pm

Back to the orginal question: it is very simple. US citizens are NOT required to have a passport. My inlaws have never left th country (though they have flown), so they have no passport. TSA is reportedly not allowed to demand ID, though they so anyway, so a driver's license is fine. If you are a foreigner, they remove your I-94 at check in with the airline. It's just easier. And besides, most airlines themselves do the check on their own.

As for required national ID: you get into all kinds of civil liberties issues. It was floated again after 9/11, but went nowhere.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:18 pm

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 43):
However, the new pre-authorization system seems fairer and much less likely to put you at the mercy of a CBP agent who feels your not suitable for entry.

Lol, not really. It doesn't effect your ability to enter the USA at all. Basically, you just answer the questions if you answer the questions correctly you will get an approved ESTA. If you answer incorrectly it's going to deny you, so you would need a VISA. ESTA is just replacing the Green I-94W and at that never made it easier for anyone when dealing with CBP. All this is doing is eliminating paper.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 32):
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):
So why have any checks of any sort on who gets OUT? If it is so hard to get in, getting out should be no issue.

Well you might want to have passport checks when going OUT so you know who is IN your country. Ie - how do you know people havent over stayed visas etc etc

If you have a visa...you will have to turn in the I-94 form...this is proof of your exit...If you don't turn it in then it will show up as an overstay...If any visitors have noticed...CBP in the US really looks at your stamps in your passport compared to most other countries. If there's any question of you overstaying...they will check all of your entry/exit stamps...while the US doesn't stamp people out...other countries stamp people in...
If you have ESTA then you were stamped and swiped in when you came...and information transferred from check-in when you left...

For those with no papers who didn't enter legally in the first place...CBP inspects and fingerprints outbound flights with lots of these people sometimes....For example...MEX
This way if those people ever go to an embassy or consulate for a VISA they'll be denied.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:33 pm

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When you fly CPH-OSL there is no passport check either, but when you fly OSL-BILLUND there is passport checking, always wondered me to!

I do check-in at CPH and, believe you me, we most certainly do check passports before we send anyone's baggage off down the belt.

Some airlines have dispensed with passport and visa checks at the gates at CPH (so technically, people can just waltz in off the street with their Internet boarding passes, proceed to the gate and fly to Oslo). But if you're having baggage handled at the counter, be prepared to show some valid photo ID.
 
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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:36 pm

Quoting tsugambler (Reply 40):
When I am required to have my "papers" in order to leave the US will be the final straw for me.

Funny story.

I went through a full-body scanner at ELP (one of the more paranoid airports in the US -- apparently for good reason) last October 2nd and was summarily yanked aside by a TSA agent because the machine operator, who was behind a one-way mirror, had located stuff I had not emptied from my pockets before entering the machine.

Upon searching me with rubber gloves, the agent found a pocket handkerchief in one rear pocket and my passport in the other.

But I had just used the passport to enter the sterile area.

We all laughed and laughed.   

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RE: Why Is There No Passport Control At US Airport

Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 46):
Lol, not really. It doesn't effect your ability to enter the USA at all. Basically, you just answer the questions if you answer the questions correctly you will get an approved ESTA. If you answer incorrectly it's going to deny you, so you would need a VISA. ESTA is just replacing the Green I-94W and at that never made it easier for anyone when dealing with CBP. All this is doing is eliminating paper.

Ouch. So much for progress!
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