Aeroflot001
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:02 am

So far everytime I have flown on an inbound flight to the United States (or more specifically to Miami and San Juan as they are the only airports I have used internationally to land on US soil and I have only used AA so far to arrive in the US) we get the standard "Ladies and gentlemen welcome to Miami International Airport where the current local time is 6:45 AM, please remain seated with your seatbelt securely fastened until we had arrived at the gate and the captain has turned off the fasten seatbelt sign, (and then every time without failure in the same wording)

Since Miami is your first point of entry into the United States all Passengers will need to clear Immigrations and Customs.

The statement itself seems almost unnecessary due to the fact that every passenger (At least every adult) should know that they will clear immigration, the other sign that made me think it was required is that whenever I have landed anywhere else abroad no such statement has been made whether it be SCL,EZE,SDQ,MAD. I dont expect to hear "Since Buenos Aires is your first point of entry into Argentina... any time soon.

However on every flight at least one announcement that goes If anyone is in need of immigration cards we will be distributing them shortly etc.

On a slightly different note instead of starting a new thread a friend asked me what happens if a domestic flight accidentally sends passengers to immigration and many of the passengers dont have passports. Now I realize the chances of this happening are incredibly small in fact I dont think it has happened but its something to think about

Can anyone shed any light into this. Thankyou!

[Edited 2011-03-22 21:33:59]
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:07 am

I'm guessing that this is just a statement that Immigration and Customs is requiring the airlines to do. I know it seems silly, but that is the gov't. for you.
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:13 am

Quoting aeroflot001 (Thread starter):
The statement itself seems almost unnecessary due to the fact that every passenger (At least every adult) should know that they will clear immigration,

You'd be VERY supprised at what some people do not know (or what they forget).
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:20 am

Aircraft arriving into Canada also give this message (as far as I remember, definitely CX into YVR, and I think AC also)

There is probably some case where you DON'T need to clear immigration / custom, that's probably why they made the announcement, it's a nice reminder anyways, as some may actually think they only clear immigration / custom at their destination.

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), that there are case say for domestic tag-on flight by foreign airline that you can clear custom at the destination, as the flight is would not carry any local (at least rev) passenger anyways
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:36 am

Quoting aquariusHKG (Reply 3):
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), that there are case say for domestic tag-on flight by foreign airline that you can clear custom at the destination, as the flight is would not carry any local (at least rev) passenger anyways

Hm I dont really understand what you are saying there, I am sorry but in the US for the most part any Intl flight will require passengers to go through immigration. In addition Passengers cannot connect through the US unless they are part of the Visa Waiver program or have a Valid US visa.
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:38 am

Quoting RJLover (Reply 2):
You'd be VERY supprised at what some people do not know (or what they forget).

Well I certainly hope it does not happen incredibly often, afterall the passengers did make it onto the flight succesfully
 
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:41 am

Quoting aquariusHKG (Reply 3):
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), that there are case say for domestic tag-on flight by foreign airline that you can clear custom at the destination, as the flight is would not carry any local (at least rev) passenger anyways

Not in the USA, they don't treat tag on of international flights as international flight, unlike many other countries. So you go thru C&I then they put your bags back on the plane.

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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:48 am

In many countries (i.e. Schengen countries), you may clear immigration at your initial port but you do not clear customs until your final destination. AA is making sure that pick up your bags and take them through customs instead of just going on to your connecting flight (if you have one).
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:55 am

I believe US law requires passengers to go through C&I at the first point they arrive in the US -- not their final destination.

For example, a person flying TPE - ANC - NYC is required to go through C&I in ANC, not NYC -- despite the fact that their final destination is NYC, and ANC is really only a tech stop.

This is one of the reasons why so many Asian carriers have eliminated the ANC stop on their flights.
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:58 am

Some People forget to collect their bags and clear them though customs, some think because the bag tags read LAX that they don't need to collect their bags at the first US port of arrival, that is US law and many other countries are different..

I think in MNL-AMS you don't get your bags they clear the pax... then when you arrive in MAD clear Bags

MNL-GUM-HNL-LAX (Clear Immigration in GUM and bags in HNL) , its good to explain it...its not always as simple as it seems..
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:59 am

Quoting aeroflot001 (Thread starter):
On a slightly different note instead of starting a new thread a friend asked me what happens if a domestic flight accidentally sends passengers to immigration and many of the passengers dont have passports. Now I realize the chances of this happening are incredibly small in fact I dont think it has happened but its something to think about

I've almost had this situation. I was arriving on an international flight into STN from Berlin, and we docked at a gate at the domestic side of STN. Some people may have simply exited the airport, bypassing passport control, but as I had checked bags (and I guess quite a few other people did too, once we realised what had happened, a staff member came up, tried to gather up as many arriving passengers as possible (at the domestic pier, at the time, arriving and departing passengers were not segregated), and led us through the bowels of the terminal to the international arrivals area.
This was when Air Berlin operated a domestic STN-GLA tag on to their TXL-STN leg. The domestic pier has an upper level which is international, but clearly the wrong door was opened for the arriving passengers.

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Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:05 am

Quoting aeroflot001 (Thread starter):
The statement itself seems almost unnecessary due to the fact that every passenger (At least every adult) should know that they will clear immigration, the other sign that made me think it was required is that whenever I have landed anywhere else abroad no such statement has been made whether it be SCL,EZE,SDQ,MAD. I dont expect to hear "Since Buenos Aires is your first point of entry into Argentina... any time soon.

There are a lot of countries where you do not have to clear customs and immigration if you are only transiting through the airport. That is why they do not make such announcements in those places.
This is not the case for USA... even if you are transiting, you have to clear customs and immigration.

Quoting aquariusHKG (Reply 3):
There is probably some case where you DON'T need to clear immigration / custom, that's probably why they made the announcement, it's a nice reminder anyways, as some may actually think they only clear immigration / custom at their destination.

Well, the only time when you do not have to go through customs & immigration at your first point of entry in USA is when you are traveling from countries where the pre-clearance procedure is in place like from Canada. When you reach USA, it will be as if you are getting off a domestic flight.
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:05 am

Quoting brenintw (Reply 8):
I believe US law requires passengers to go through C&I at the first point they arrive in the US -- not their final destination.

For example, a person flying TPE - ANC - NYC is required to go through C&I in ANC, not NYC -- despite the fact that their final destination is NYC, and ANC is really only a tech stop.

This is one of the reasons why so many Asian carriers have eliminated the ANC stop on their flights.

The major reason why Asian (and US and European) carriers eliminated the ANC stop on flights to/from Asia is because aircraft now have the required range to make the stop unnecessary. There is very little ANC-Asia local traffic so it was largely a fuel stop anyway, even for carriers with traffic rights on the ANC-Asia sectors. And the ANC stop made their service uncompetitive with carriers that were operating nonstop between origin and destination.
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:07 am

U.S. CBP officials advise us to make the announcements. Plus, it is mainly because of bags!

In addition to that, it is Delta policy, when meeting an International inbound, to make an onboard announcement something along the lines of this...

"Detroit is the first port of entry into the United States. You must pick up your bags, regardless of your final destination and where your bags are tagged to, with no exceptions made. Thank you for flying Delta."

You'd be surprised to hear how many people believe they don't have to pick up their bags. Many travelers are used to domestic to domestic connections where their bags transfer. This is not the case with international to domestic.
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:11 am

Quoting aeroflot001 (Thread starter):
The statement itself seems almost unnecessary due to the fact that every passenger (At least every adult) should know that they will clear immigration, the other sign that made me think it was required is that whenever I have landed anywhere else abroad no such statement has been made whether it be SCL,EZE,SDQ,MAD. I dont expect to hear "Since Buenos Aires is your first point of entry into Argentina... any time soon.

I disagree that it's unnecessary. In most countries, if you are only connecting to another international flight, you do not have to clear immigration at the connecting point. That's not the case if you're connecting in the USA so it makes sense to remind passengers who many never have made an international-to-international connection in the US that they do have to clear immigration.
 
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:16 am

I guess the U.S. is unique that way. It is always the first airport in which you land that you have to go through customs and immigration. On a recent trip I flew PHX-LHR-ARN and my luggage was checked through to Stockholm where I picked it up and merrily rolled it through the green lane. On the way back nobody bothered about it until I landed at the first destination (PHX) in the U.S. Cute beagles, but otherwise more of a hassle.
 
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:05 pm

Just b/c you personally find it unnecessary does not mean that others will too. Many passengers are first time-flyers or forget, so it doesn't hurt to remind them.

As to your second question, I too don't understand how this would happen. All my past international arrivals have taken place in a secluded international terminal where the chances of bypassing customs are slim, if not impossible. So, unless a domestic flight arrives at an international terminal and customs weren't notified of it, I think your scenario is almost impossible.
 
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:53 pm

The issue is there are some places in the world that if you are connecting to international points you don't go through customs, Vancouver is one of these where the PR flight from Manila to YVR to LAS, the pax don't go through customs in Canada.
 
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:29 pm

I think the lone exception to having to clear customs and immigration is for NZ passengers transiting LAX between LHR and AKL. I believe they have a dedicated waiting lounge that does not require them to be "admitted" into the USA.

Legal requirements set aside, most airports in the US are not designed to segregate departing international and domestic passengers, so even if it wasn't required by law, international passengers in transit to both international and domestic destinations would have to go through customs and immigrations anyway since they couldn't be segregated from domestic passengers.

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 15):
I guess the U.S. is unique that way. It is always the first airport in which you land that you have to go through customs and immigration.

From an immigration point of view, it isn't. Transfer from international to domestic pretty much anywhere in the world and you will clear immigrations at your transfer point, not at your final destination. If the domestic leg is on a foreign carrier, the destination country *might* allow passengers bound for the final destination to stay on board and clear immigrations and customs at the end of the flight, but even then it isn't guaranteed.
Customs-wise, it varies. If you transfer to a domestic flight in France, you'll clear customs at your final destination, but in Canada, you'll do so at your transfer point.

Where the US is one of the few, but again certainly not alone, is in requiring passengers transferring from one international flight to another to go through customs and immigrations and be admitted into the country, however briefly.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:57 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Vancouver is one of these where the PR flight from Manila to YVR to LAS, the pax don't go through customs in Canada.

Same with CX (YVR-JFK), IIRC.
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Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:42 pm

Quoting RJLover (Reply 2):
You'd be VERY supprised at what some people do not know (or what they forget).

The first time I went abroad I didn't know how it worked. And US citizens often don't travel abroad until middle-age, if ever.

Quoting brenintw (Reply 8):
For example, a person flying TPE - ANC - NYC is required to go through C&I in ANC, not NYC -- despite the fact that their final destination is NYC, and ANC is really only a tech stop.

I thought this didn't apply to tech stops...it definitely doesn't apply to diversions. But if anyone gets off the plane to go to customs, EVERYBODY has to, which is stupid IMHO. And the reason most (all?) carriers have eliminated the ANC stop is that modern aircraft can make it nonstop.

The US seriously needs to get its head out of its arse when it comes to transiting... It puts our carriers at a disadvantage for attracting connecting pax on, say, S. America to Europe. I know most airports are not set up to do it differently, but this could be changed over time, and the policy for transit pax changed on a case-by-case basis.
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:55 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 18):
From an immigration point of view, it isn't. Transfer from international to domestic pretty much anywhere in the world and you will clear immigrations at your transfer point, not at your final destination.

I do believe in Thailand, you cross immigration and customs at your destination point, though correct me if I'm wrong
 
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:27 pm

Another crew announcement that annoys me: "we'll be passing by to collect any SERVICE ITEMS before landing"...just call it what it is.....trash/garbage. Are the terms trash/garbage so horrible?
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:03 pm

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 16):
As to your second question, I too don't understand how this would happen. All my past international arrivals have taken place in a secluded international terminal where the chances of bypassing customs are slim, if not impossible. So, unless a domestic flight arrives at an international terminal and customs weren't notified of it, I think your scenario is almost impossible.

At some airports in the US, domestic flights do operate in to/out of gates used for international flights. In these cases, the doors that lead to the terminal from the jetway are opened or closed based on whether the inbound flight is an international flight. If it is an international flight, the gate agents will leave the door at the gate closed and open a door that leads to the immigration and customs level of the terminal. In the case of a domestic flight, the door that leads to immigration and customs is left closed and the door at the gate that leads directly to the terminal is left open.

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