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World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:45 pm

The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in
nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ .

To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop 6000 nm or greater in the current OAG Worldwide.

April 2011 updates:

With Transaero’s flight DME-GIG (previously #46) discontinued and United re-starting IAD-PEK (#62), there’s been some changes in rank this month.

Other changes listed in OAG for April:
#40 AI’s DEL-YYZ operates 77W instead of 77L.
#47 KE’s ICN-ATL now operates both flights with 744’s (2nd flight prev. 772).
#50 AC’s YYZ-PVG now operates with 77L (prev. 77W).
#54 NZ’s AKL-YVR now operates solely with 772 (prev. 744 on some days).
Lastly, CI’s KIX-JFK (6036nm) will now start on 28th of April with 744
(prev. unknown a/c, scheduled 29April).

>>Any help with discovery of current or future routes with start dates; a/c refinements, etc, are appreciated.

1 SINº-EWRº 8285nm SQˇ 345
2 SIN-LAXº 7621nm SQ 345
(SYD-DFW ‡ 7454nm QF 744 scheduled 16May)
3 ATLº-JNBº 7334nm SA)">DLˇ 77L
4 DXBº-LAX 7246nm EK ˇ 77W+77L
(DFW-BNE ‡‡ 7215nm QF 744 scheduled 16May)
5 BKKº-LAX 7186nm TGˇ 345
6 DXB-IAHº 7097nm EK 77L
7 DXB-SFOº 7041nm EK 77W
8 HKGº-JFKº 7014nm CX ˇ 77Wx3
9 EWR-HKG 7009nm SA)">COˇ 77E
10 DOHº-IAH 6993nm QRˇ 77L
11 JFK-JNB† 6925nm SAˇ 343
12 MELº-LAX 6883nm QF ˇ/VAˇ 744 or 388/77W
13 DTWº-HKG 6828nm SA)">DL 77L
14 YYZ º-HKG 6787nm ACˇ/CX 77L/77W
15 BOMº-EWR 6784nm AIˇ/CO 77L/77E
16 TPEº-EWR†† 6777nm BRˇ 77W
17 ORDº-HKG* 6772nm UAˇ 744
18 YVRº-SYDº 6741nm AC 77L
(ATL-PVG 6656nm SA)">DL 77E scheduled 5June)
19 ATL-DXB 6604nm SA)">DL 77L
20 DXB-GRUº 6597nm EK 77W
21 TLVº-LAX 6581nm LY ˇ 772
22 TPE-YYZ 6534nm BR 77W
23 AUHº-SYD 6510nm EY ˇ/VA 346/77W
24 LAX-SYD 6507nm SA)">DL/QF/UA/VA 77L/388+744/744/77W
25 ORD-DELº 6503nm AAˇ/AI 777/77W
26 DXB-SYD 6500nm EK 388
(BNE-AUH 6485nm VA 77W scheduled “by Feb 2012”)
27 DXB-BNEº 6467nm EK 77W
28 DOH-MEL 6454nm QR 77L
29 SYD-SFO 6445nm QF‡‡‡/UA 744
(IAH-AKL 6444nm SA)">CO 787 proposed Nov ’11, delayed to ’12)
30 PVGº-JFK 6424nm MU ˇ 346
31 EWR-PVG 6416nm SA)">CO 77E
32 DOH-GRU 6400nm QR 77L
33 SYD-EZEº 6366nm QF 744
34 EWR-DEL 6364nm SA)">CO 77E
35 DEL-JFK 6359nm AI 77W
36 MNLº-LAX § 6348nm PRˇ 343+744
37 AUH-ORD 6322nm EY 346 ***
38 KHIº-YYZ 6313nm PK ˇ 777
39 HKG-LAX 6309nm CX 773x3
40 DEL-YYZ 6297nm AI 77W
41 CDGº-SCLº 6291nm AF ˇ 777
42 AUH-MEL 6287nm EY 345
43 CANº-LAX 6284nm CZ ˇ 772
44 DXB-MEL 6283nm EK 77W
45 IADº-ADDº ††† 6251nm ET ˇ 77L
46 BNE-LAX 6223nm QF/VA 744/77W
47 ICNº-ATL 6215nm KE ˇ 744+744
48 DTW-PVG 6201nm SA)">DL 777 or 744
49 FRAº-EZE 6197nm LH ˇ 744
50 YYZ-PVG 6176nm AC 77L
(AMS-EZE 6176nm KL 77E scheduled 31OCT)
51 IAD-DXB 6142nm UA 777
52 JFK-LHEº ◊ 6141nm PK 777
53 ORD-PVG 6132nm AA/UA 777/77E
54 AKLº-YVR 6121nm NZ ˇ 772
55 NRTº-MEXº ◊◊ 6086nm AM ˇ 763
56 LHE-YYZ 6085nm PK 777
57 MNL-SFO §§ 6071nm PR 744
58 ICN-IAD 6046nm KE 772
(KIX-JFK 6036nm CI 744 scheduled 28April)
59 HKG-SFO 6019nm CX/SQ/UA 744x2/77W/744
60 DOH-IAD 6018nm QR 77W
61 AUH-YYZ 6017nm EY 77W
62 IAD-PEK 6014nm UA 77E
63 EZE-FCOº 6013nm ARˇ/AZ ˇ 340/77E
64 ICN-JFK 6001nm KE/OZ ˇ 77W+744**/777

SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins nonstop both directions with 346 on 1May.
†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD


* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep
** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep
*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug

QF will operate northbound only
‡‡ QF will operate southbound only
‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May

PK operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LHE-MAN-JFK
◊◊ AM operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: MEX-TIJ-NRT

§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LAX-HNL-MNL
§§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: SFO-HNL-MNL

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º longest flight for this airport
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:00 pm

Just for kicks off the April ≥ 6K list...

The following airlines hold the longest currently scheduled passenger flight for these airports:

EK: DXB/IAH/SFO/GRU/BNE

DL: ATL/JNB/DTW
SQ: SIN/EWR/LAX

CX: HKG/JFK/YYZ(tie)
AC: YYZ(tie)/YVR/SYD

PK: KHI/LHE
AM: NRT/MEX
ET: IAD/ADD
AF: CDG/SCL

QF: EZE/MEL(tie)

AI: BOM(tie)/DEL(tie)
NZ: AKL
LY: TLV
BR: TPE
CZ: CAN
TG: BKK
UA: ORD
LH: FRA
QR: DOH
EY: AUH
PR: MNL
MU: PVG
KE: ICN

AA: DEL (tie)
CO: BOM (tie)
AR: FCO (tie)
AZ: FCO (tie)
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:28 am

Thanks for the latest edition! The recent thread about the new Dubai airport in the civil aviation forum got me thinking about how DWC might eventually affect this list (probably way into the future). The only route I could think of that would be affected is YYZ-DXB (5995nm) compared to YYZ-DWC (6008nm). The future DOH airport is so close to the present airport that it won't affect the list.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:36 am

what about LHR-EZE on BA 77E? supposedly it's 6904nm according to the link provided...
733/4/5/6/7/8/9, 319/20/21, 752, 744, 772/W, 332/3, 343/6, E70/90, AT43, AR85/1, D38, D10, M82
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:32 pm

Quoting robso2 (Reply 3):
what about LHR-EZE on BA 77E? supposedly it's 6904nm according to the link provided...

Actually its 5999nm.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 2):
The recent thread about the new Dubai airport in the civil aviation forum got me thinking about how DWC might eventually affect this list ...

Funny, your post made me think of BA's EZE route. If only either airport were a nautical mile further apart I could include BA in the list. Or if BA flew the EZE flight from STN (6035nm) they'd be included. Perhaps Buenos Aires will build a new airport someday... hopefully a few nautical miles further southwest (away from London)  

More realistically, BA could also inaugurate nonstop flights to SCL or CGK or anywhere in Australia or New Zealand.

I remind Europeans how well situated they are not to have to fly ULH to practically anywhere. That thought might make up for not often being on this 6000 nm list!

yeo

[Edited 2011-03-28 05:34:08]

[Edited 2011-03-28 06:15:57]
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:12 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 4):
Actually its 5999nm.

ahhh i put it miles! haha close call though!
733/4/5/6/7/8/9, 319/20/21, 752, 744, 772/W, 332/3, 343/6, E70/90, AT43, AR85/1, D38, D10, M82
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:43 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 1):
The following airlines hold the longest currently scheduled passenger flight for these airports: ...
AA: DEL (tie)
CO: BOM (tie)
AR: FCO (tie)
AZ: FCO (tie)

I forgot one on this list:
VA: MEL (tie)

Sorry V Australia fans!

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:11 am

What about TK's IST-LAX and IST-GRU flights?
They are both over 6000 miles.
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:16 am

Quoting LX64A332 (Reply 7):
What about TK's IST-LAX and IST-GRU flights?
They are both over 6000 miles.

They are. But they are both under 6000 nm (nautical miles). IST-LAX is 5971 and IST-GRU is 5689.
733/4/5/6/7/8/9, 319/20/21, 752, 744, 772/W, 332/3, 343/6, E70/90, AT43, AR85/1, D38, D10, M82
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:23 pm

TAAG Angola's website shows "0 stops" on LAD-PEK (6359nm) from July 5th and "0 stops" on the return. My first thought was that this is an error since that route has previously had a stop in DXB. But, the flight durations are considerably shorter than on Hainan (which still has the DXB stop): 14:30 vs. 18:10 on LAD-PEK and 16:30 vs. 19:40 on PEK-LAD. Does OAG show this as a nonstop route from July 5th? If so, this will be an exciting new addition to the list!

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 4):
Funny, your post made me think of BA's EZE route. If only either airport were a nautical mile further apart I could include BA in the list.

Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:00 pm

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 9):
TAAG Angola's website shows "0 stops" on LAD-PEK (6359nm) from July 5th and "0 stops" on the return. ...Does OAG show this as a nonstop route from July 5th? If so, this will be an exciting new addition to the list!

After reading your post I, too, went on TAAG's website (who knew "Pequim" was Portuguese for Beijing? I didn't!)
and noticed the shorter flight times, although I must have been on another page; I didn't notice any mention of stops.

My OAG resource is strictly current schedules - I can't look very far ahead (although there are other, online forms of OAG that do), so I am not of any help. Perhaps someone reading this can clarify?

I think based on the evidence you've discovered we can put the info into the list in parenthesis and watch for the May or June edition or clues before it becomes a ranked entry.

Thanks for the clue! One worry I have checking the established routes in OAG is that I'm letting slip any under the radar new entries, such as the example here with DT.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 9):
Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?

I haven't a clue, although if I had to guess I would assume the center of the property.

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:30 pm

Here are the flight details to/from "Pequim" on TAAG's site:

Flight: Angola Airlines DT690
From: Luanda
To: Beijing - Capital International
Number of stops: 0
Depart: Tue, 05 Jul, 00:30
Arrive: Tue, 05 Jul, 22:00
Aircraft: Boeing 777
Meal: Provided
Smoking allowed: Yes

Flight: Angola Airlines DT691
From: Beijing - Capital International
To: Luanda
Number of stops: 0
Depart: Wed, 13 Jul, 01:00
Arrive: Wed, 13 Jul, 10:30
Aircraft: Boeing 777
Meal: Provided
Smoking allowed: Yes

Smoking allowed? How rare is that?

Another small confirmation that these are indeed nonstop flights is that TAAG offers no LAD-DXB or DXB-LAD for these dates (assuming that they formerly had the rights to carry passengers on those flights).
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:01 pm

3 April 2011 update:

Hello to the two or three regular readers of “World’s Longest”!  

I’ve been maintaining the list now for a few months and find the task not overly time-consuming, so have decided to expand the list to the 100 Longest, which means I am looking for submissions for the next longest 30 or so flights.

The BA LHR-EZE flight, now #65, was on the original list back in December but was taken off for lack of one nautical mile, so I’ve added that of course.

I’ve also added the flights at #’s 66 through 70, all suggested previously by OP3000 & thediplomat in earlier threads.

These are for starters; I’m absolutely certain there are more! >>Additions welcome.

The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in
nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ . 



To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.



1 SINº-EWRº 8285nm SQˇ 345

2 SIN-LAXº 7621nm SQ 345

(SYD-DFW ‡ 7454nm QF 744 scheduled 16May) 

3 ATLº-JNBº 7334nm SA)">DLˇ 77L

4 DXBº-LAX 7246nm EK ˇ 77W+77L

(DFW-BNE ‡‡ 7215nm QF 744 scheduled 16May)

5 BKKº-LAX 7186nm TGˇ 345

6 DXB-IAHº 7097nm EK 77L

7 DXB-SFOº 7041nm EK 77W

8 HKGº-JFKº 7014nm CX ˇ 77Wx3

9 EWR-HKG 7009nm SA)">COˇ 77E

10 DOHº-IAH 6993nm QRˇ 77L

11 JFK-JNB† 6925nm SAˇ 343

12 MELº-LAX 6883nm QF ˇ/VAˇ 744 or 388/77W

13 DTWº-HKG 6828nm SA)">DL 77L

14 YYZ º-HKG 6787nm ACˇ/CX 77L/77W

15 BOMº-EWR 6784nm AIˇ/CO 77L/77E

16 TPEº-EWR†† 6777nm BRˇ 77W 

17 ORDº-HKG* 6772nm UAˇ 744

18 YVRº-SYDº 6741nm AC 77L

(ATL-PVG 6656nm SA)">DL 77E scheduled 5June)

19 ATL-DXB 6604nm SA)">DL 77L

20 DXB-GRUº 6597nm EK 77W

21 TLVº-LAX 6581nm LY ˇ 772

22 TPE-YYZ 6534nm BR 77W

23 AUHº-SYD 6510nm EY ˇ/VA 346/77W

24 LAX-SYD 6507nm SA)">DL/QF/UA/VA 77L/388+744/744/77W

25 ORD-DELº 6503nm AAˇ/AI 777/77W

26 DXB-SYD 6500nm EK 388

(BNE-AUH 6485nm VA 77W scheduled “by Feb 2012”)

27 DXB-BNEº 6467nm EK 77W

28 DOH-MEL 6454nm QR 77L

29 SYD-SFO 6445nm QF‡‡‡/UA 744

(IAH-AKL 6444nm UA 787 proposed Nov ’11, delayed to ’12)

30 PVGº-JFK 6424nm MU ˇ 346

31 EWR-PVG 6416nm SA)">CO 77E

32 DOH-GRU 6400nm QR 77L

33 SYD-EZEº 6366nm QF 744

34 EWR-DEL 6364nm SA)">CO 77E

35 DEL-JFK 6359nm AI 77W
(LAD-PEK 6359nm DT 777 scheduled 11July) 

36 MNLº-LAX § 6348nm PRˇ 343+744

37 AUH-ORD 6322nm EY 346 ***

38 KHIº-YYZ 6313nm PK ˇ 777

39 HKG-LAX 6309nm CX 773x3 

40 DEL-YYZ 6297nm AI 77W

41 CDGº-SCLº 6291nm AF ˇ 777

42 AUH-MEL 6287nm EY 345

43 CANº-LAX 6284nm CZ ˇ 772

44 DXB-MEL 6283nm EK 77W

45 IADº-ADDº ††† 6251nm ET ˇ 77L

46 BNE-LAX 6223nm QF/VA 744/77W

47 ICNº-ATL 6215nm KE ˇ 744+744

48 DTW-PVG 6201nm SA)">DL 777 or 744

49 FRAº-EZE 6197nm LH ˇ 744

50 YYZ-PVG 6176nm AC 77L

(AMS-EZE 6176nm KL 77E scheduled 31OCT)

51 IAD-DXB 6142nm UA 777

52 JFK-LHEº ◊ 6141nm PK 777

53 ORD-PVG 6132nm AA/UA 777/77E

54 AKLº-YVR 6121nm NZ ˇ 772

55 NRTº-MEXº ◊◊ 6086nm AM ˇ 763

56 LHE-YYZ 6085nm PK 777

57 MNL-SFO §§ 6071nm PR 744

58 ICN-IAD 6046nm KE 772

(KIX-JFK 6036nm CI 744 scheduled 28April)

59 HKG-SFO 6019nm CX/SQ/UA 744x2/77W/744

60 DOH-IAD 6018nm QR 77W

61 AUH-YYZ 6017nm EY 77W

62 IAD-PEK 6014nm UA 77E

63 EZE-FCOº 6013nm ARˇ/AZ ˇ 340/77E

64 ICN-JFK 6001nm KE/OZ ˇ 77W+744**/777
new>65 LHRº-EZE 5999nm BAˇ 777
new>66 CDG-EZE 5980nm AF 777
new>67 ATL-NRT 5953nm SA)">DL 77L
new>68 MADº-SCL 5777nm IBˇ/LAˇ 346/343
new>69 ISTº-GRU 5689nm TKˇ 77W
new>70 AMSº-LIM 5676nm KLˇ 777

>>will accept suggestions for further nautical mile routes up to the rank of 100.



SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins n/s both directions with 346 on 1May.

†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD




* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep

** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep

*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug



QF will operate northbound only

‡‡ QF will operate southbound only

‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May



PK operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LHE-MAN-JFK
◊◊ AM operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: MEX-TIJ-NRT



§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LAX-HNL-MNL
§§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: SFO-HNL-MNL



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º longest flight for this airport

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:28 am

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 12):
I am looking for submissions for the next longest 30 or so flights.

DXB-YYZ 5995nm EK
LAX-IST 5971nm TK
JFK-AUH 5967nm EY
SYD-JNB 5963nm QF
JFK-DXB 5951nm EK
ICN-DFW 5945nm KE
JFK-PEK 5942nm CA
ISB-YYZ 5945nm PK
EWR-PEK 5936nm SA)">CO
TPE-LAX 5908nm CI, BR, MH
BCN-SIN 5889nm SQ
JFK-HND 5885nm SA)">AA (what is status??)
LHR-SIN 5879nm SQ, QF, BA
IAD-NRT 5868nm SA)">UA, NH
IAD-RUH 5865nm SV
JFK-NRT 5861nm SA)">AA, SA)">DL, NH, JL
EWR-NRT 5850nm SA)">CO
JFK-DOH 5825nm QR
IAH-NRT 5772nm SA)">CO
JNB-HKG 5762nm SA
ICN-YYZ 5746nm KE, AC
TIJ-PVG 5745nm AM
LHR-KUL 5729nm MH
IAD-JED 5729nm SV
ORD-PEK 5717nm SA)">AA, SA)">UA
PEK-YYZ 5716nm AC, HU
IAD-KWI 5713nm SA)">UA
DTW-NGO 5694nm DL

[Edited 2011-04-03 21:37:57]

[Edited 2011-04-03 21:44:20]
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:45 pm

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 13):

DXB-YYZ 5995nm EK
LAX-IST 5971nm TK...

Thanks Nick! I'll get those integrated into the list with a/c and we'll see where we are.

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:06 am

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 10):
uoting BNAOWB (Reply 9):
Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?

I haven't a clue, although if I had to guess I would assume the center of the property.

Don't know about other countries but here it's from the "survey datum" which is a point defined by survey ((- ) which is recorded in the land title records. For SYD its over on the east side near the old ANSETT/TAA hangars, or it was when I worked there!

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:20 am

World’s 100 Longest Flights
4 April 2011 update:

I’ve now included all the flights contributed by BNAOWB with a few discoveries of my own thrown in.

We’ve added 13 more airlines to the active ULH list (in order of appearance): BA TK CA CI MH NH SV JL IB LA HU D7 and KL.

>>I’m certain there are more out there. Candidates should be more than 5630 nautical miles (roughly 6479 statute miles or 10,427 kilometers). Keep looking!

The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in 
nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ . To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.



1 SINº-EWRº 8285nm SQˇ 345

2 SIN-LAXº 7621nm SQ 345

(SYD-DFW ‡ 7454nm QF 744 scheduled 16May) 

3 ATLº-JNBº 7334nm SA)">DLˇ 77L

4 DXBº-LAX 7246nm EK ˇ 77W+77L

(DFW-BNE ‡‡ 7215nm QF 744 scheduled 16May)

5 BKKº-LAX 7186nm TGˇ 345

6 DXB-IAHº 7097nm EK 77L

7 DXB-SFOº 7041nm EK 77W

8 HKGº-JFKº 7014nm CX ˇ 77Wx3

9 EWR-HKG 7009nm SA)">COˇ 77E

10 DOHº-IAH 6993nm QRˇ 77L

11 JFK-JNB† 6925nm SAˇ 343

12 MELº-LAX 6883nm QF ˇ/VAˇ 744 or 388/77W

13 DTWº-HKG 6828nm SA)">DL 77L

14 YYZ º-HKG 6787nm ACˇ/CX 77L/77W
15 BOMº-EWR 6784nm AIˇ/CO 77L/77E

16 TPEº-EWR†† 6777nm BRˇ 77W 

17 ORDº-HKG* 6772nm UAˇ 744

18 YVRº-SYDº 6741nm AC 77L

(ATL-PVG 6656nm SA)">DL 77E scheduled 5June)

19 ATL-DXB 6604nm SA)">DL 77L

20 DXB-GRUº 6597nm EK 77W

21 TLVº-LAX 6581nm LY ˇ 772

22 TPE-YYZ 6534nm BR 77W

23 AUHº-SYD 6510nm EY ˇ/VA 346/77W

24 LAX-SYD 6507nm SA)">DL/QF/UA/VA 77L/388+744/744/77W

25 ORD-DELº 6503nm AAˇ/AI 777/77W

26 DXB-SYD 6500nm EK 388

(BNE-AUH 6485nm VA 77W scheduled “by Feb 2012”)

27 DXB-BNEº 6467nm EK 77W

28 DOH-MEL 6454nm QR 77L

29 SYD-SFO 6445nm QF‡‡‡/UA 744

(IAH-AKL 6444nm UA 787 proposed Nov ’11, delayed to ’12)

30 PVGº-JFK 6424nm MU ˇ 346

31 EWR-PVG 6416nm SA)">CO 77E

32 DOH-GRU 6400nm QR 77L

33 SYD-EZEº 6366nm QF 744

34 EWR-DEL 6364nm SA)">CO 77E

35 DEL-JFK 6359nm AI 77W
(LAD-PEK 6359nm DT 777 scheduled 11July) 

36 MNLº-LAX § 6348nm PRˇ 343+744

37 AUH-ORD 6322nm EY 346 ***

38 KHIº-YYZ 6313nm PK ˇ 777

39 HKG-LAX 6309nm CX 773x3 

40 DEL-YYZ 6297nm AI 77W

41 CDGº-SCLº 6291nm AF ˇ 777

42 AUH-MEL 6287nm EY 345

43 CANº-LAX 6284nm CZ ˇ 772

44 DXB-MEL 6283nm EK 77W

45 IADº-ADDº ††† 6251nm ET ˇ 77L

46 BNE-LAX 6223nm QF/VA 744/77W

47 ICNº-ATL 6215nm KE ˇ 744+744

48 DTW-PVG 6201nm SA)">DL 777 or 744

49 FRAº-EZE 6197nm LH ˇ 744

50 YYZ-PVG 6176nm AC 77L

(AMS-EZE 6176nm KL 77E scheduled 31OCT)

51 IAD-DXB 6142nm UA 777

52 JFK-LHEº ◊ 6141nm PK 777

53 ORD-PVG 6132nm AA/UA 777/77E

54 AKLº-YVR 6121nm NZ ˇ 772

55 NRTº-MEXº ◊◊ 6086nm AM ˇ 763

56 LHE-YYZ 6085nm PK 777

57 MNL-SFO §§ 6071nm PR 744

58 ICN-IAD 6046nm KE 772

(KIX-JFK 6036nm CI 744 scheduled 28April)

59 HKG-SFO 6019nm CX/SQ/UA 744x2/77W/744

60 DOH-IAD 6018nm QR 77W

61 AUH-YYZ 6017nm EY 77W

62 IAD-PEKº 6014nm UA 77E

63 EZE-FCOº 6013nm ARˇ/AZ ˇ 340/77E

64 ICN-JFK 6001nm KE/OZ ˇ 77W+744**/777
65 LHRº-EZE 5999nm BAˇ 777
66 DXB-YYZ 5995nm EK 388
67 CDG-EZE 5980nm AF 777
68 ISTº-LAX 5971nm TK ˇ 77W
69 AUH-JFK 5967nm EY 345
70 SYD-JNB 5963nm QF 744
71 ATL-NRT 5953nm SA)">DL 77L
72 DXB-JFK 5951nm EK 77W+388
73 (tie) ICN-DFWº 5945nm KE 744
73 (tie) ISBº-YYZ 5945nm PK 777
74 PEK-JFK 5942nm CAˇ 744
75 EWR-PEK 5936nm SA)">CO 777
76 TPE-LAX 5908nm CIˇ/BR/MHˇ 744/77W/772
77 BCNº-SIN 5889nm SQ 77W
(JFK-HND 5885nm AA 777 Suspended. Scheduled to resume 26April)
78 LHR-SIN 5879nm BA/QF/SQ 744+777/388/77W+388
79 NRT-IAD 5868nm NH ˇ/UA 777/777
80 RUHº-IAD 5865nm SV ˇ 77L
81 JFK-NRT 5861nm AA/DL/JLˇ/NH 777/744/773/77W
82 EWR-NRT 5850nm SA)">CO 777
83 DOH-JFK 5825nm QR 77W
84 MADº-SCL 5777nm IBˇ/LAˇ 346/343
85 IAH-NRT 5772nm SA)">CO 777
86 HKG-JNB 5762nm CX/SA 343/343
87 ICN-YYZ 5746nm KE 772
88 TIJº-PVG 5745nm AM 777
89 (tie) KULº-LHR 5729nm MH 744
89 (tie) JEDº-IAD 5729nm SV 772
90 ORD-PEK 5717nm AA/UA 777/777
91 PEK-YYZ 5716nm AC/HUˇ 77W/340
92 IAD-KWIº 5713nm UA 777
93 MNL-YVR 5706nm PR 343 or 773
94 KUL-STNº 5699nm D7 ˇ 340
95 DTW-NGOº 5694nm SA)">DL 744
96 IST-GRU 5689nm TK 77W
97 AMSº-LIMº 5676nm KLˇ 777
98 AKL-SFO 5663nm 744
99 AKL-LAX 5652nm NZ/QF 772+773/332
100 AMS-MNL 5630nm KL 77W


SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins n/s both directions with 346 1May.

†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD




* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep

** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep

*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug



QF will operate northbound only

‡‡ QF will operate southbound only

‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May



PK operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LHE-MAN-JFK
◊◊ AM operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: MEX-TIJ-NRT



§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LAX-HNL-MNL
§§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: SFO-HNL-MNL



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º longest flight for this airport

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:34 am

CDG-SIN - AF and SQ at 5794 nm
CDG-KUL - MH at 5641 nm (beats AMS-MNL, but due to CDG-SIN is also pushed out of top 100)

I'm sure there are more.

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:13 am



This is what the ULH (>6000 nm) map looks like!

-CXfirst
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:02 am

Here are a couple more to add,

DTW-ICN 5766nm DL
SIN-AMS 5679nm KL & SQ

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 18):
This is what the ULH (>6000 nm) map looks like!

Very impressive!

Regards,
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:09 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 16):
Candidates should be more than 5630 nautical miles

DTW-PEK 5762nm DL (from July 1st)
BCN-EZE 5647nm AR
LAX-PVG 5635nm AA, MU, UA (from May 20th)

So, with the net gain of 3 routes to the list of 100 from the contributions by CXfirst and Aflyingkiwi, BCN-EZE and LAX-PVG would miss the new "floor" of 5676nm.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 15):
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 10):
uoting BNAOWB (Reply 9):
Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?

I haven't a clue, although if I had to guess I would assume the center of the property.

Don't know about other countries but here it's from the "survey datum" which is a point defined by survey ((- ) which is recorded in the land title records. For SYD its over on the east side near the old ANSETT/TAA hangars, or it was when I worked there!

Thanks for that explanation.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:19 am

World’s 100 Longest Flights
5 April 2011 update:

Thanks to CXfirst, Aflyingkiwi, and BNAOWB for further additions, now included below as the new numbers 84, 87, future 88(tie), and 99.

Please note: D7 (KUL-STN # 94) is AirAsia X (Malaysia), not Dinar (Argentina) as indicated by the cursor.

The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in
nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ . To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.



1 SINº-EWRº 8285nm SQˇ 345

2 SIN-LAXº 7621nm SQ 345

(SYD-DFW ‡ 7454nm QF 744 scheduled 16May) 

3 ATLº-JNBº 7334nm SA)">DLˇ 77L

4 DXBº-LAX 7246nm EK ˇ 77W+77L

(DFW-BNE ‡‡ 7215nm QF 744 scheduled 16May)

5 BKKº-LAX 7186nm TGˇ 345

6 DXB-IAHº 7097nm EK 77L

7 DXB-SFOº 7041nm EK 77W

8 HKGº-JFKº 7014nm CX ˇ 77Wx3

9 EWR-HKG 7009nm SA)">COˇ 77E

10 DOHº-IAH 6993nm QRˇ 77L

11 JFK-JNB† 6925nm SAˇ 343

12 MELº-LAX 6883nm QF ˇ/VAˇ 744 or 388/77W

13 DTWº-HKG 6828nm SA)">DL 77L

14 YYZ º-HKG 6787nm ACˇ/CX 77L/77W

15 BOMº-EWR 6784nm AIˇ/CO 77L/77E

16 TPEº-EWR†† 6777nm BRˇ 77W 

17 ORDº-HKG* 6772nm UAˇ 744

18 YVRº-SYDº 6741nm AC 77L

(ATL-PVG 6656nm SA)">DL 77E scheduled 5June)

19 ATL-DXB 6604nm SA)">DL 77L

20 DXB-GRUº 6597nm EK 77W

21 TLVº-LAX 6581nm LY ˇ 772

22 TPE-YYZ 6534nm BR 77W

23 AUHº-SYD 6510nm EY ˇ/VA 346/77W

24 LAX-SYD 6507nm SA)">DL/QF/UA/VA 77L/388+744/744/77W

25 ORD-DELº 6503nm AAˇ/AI 777/77W

26 DXB-SYD 6500nm EK 388

(BNE-AUH 6485nm VA 77W scheduled “by Feb 2012”)

27 DXB-BNEº 6467nm EK 77W

28 DOH-MEL 6454nm QR 77L

29 SYD-SFO 6445nm QF‡‡‡/UA 744

(IAH-AKL 6444nm UA 787 proposed Nov ’11, delayed to ’12)

30 PVGº-JFK 6424nm MU ˇ 346

31 EWR-PVG 6416nm SA)">CO 77E

32 DOH-GRU 6400nm QR 77L

33 SYD-EZEº 6366nm QF 744

34 EWR-DEL 6364nm SA)">CO 77E

35 DEL-JFK 6359nm AI 77W
(LAD-PEK 6359nm DT 777 scheduled 11July) 

36 MNLº-LAX § 6348nm PRˇ 343+744

37 AUH-ORD 6322nm EY 346 ***

38 KHIº-YYZ 6313nm PK ˇ 777

39 HKG-LAX 6309nm CX 773x3 

40 DEL-YYZ 6297nm AI 77W

41 CDGº-SCLº 6291nm AF ˇ 777

42 AUH-MEL 6287nm EY 345

43 CANº-LAX 6284nm CZ ˇ 772

44 DXB-MEL 6283nm EK 77W

45 IADº-ADDº ††† 6251nm ET ˇ 77L

46 BNE-LAX 6223nm QF/VA 744/77W

47 ICNº-ATL 6215nm KE ˇ 744+744

48 DTW-PVG 6201nm SA)">DL 777 or 744

49 FRAº-EZE 6197nm LH ˇ 744

50 YYZ-PVG 6176nm AC 77L

(AMS-EZE 6176nm KL 77E scheduled 31OCT)

51 IAD-DXB 6142nm UA 777

52 JFK-LHEº ◊ 6141nm PK 777

53 ORD-PVG 6132nm AA/UA 777/77E

54 AKLº-YVR 6121nm NZ ˇ 772

55 NRTº-MEXº ◊◊ 6086nm AM ˇ 763

56 LHE-YYZ 6085nm PK 777

57 MNL-SFO §§ 6071nm PR 744

58 ICN-IAD 6046nm KE 772

(KIX-JFK 6036nm CI 744 scheduled 28April)

59 HKG-SFO 6019nm CX/SQ/UA 744x2/77W/744

60 DOH-IAD 6018nm QR 77W

61 AUH-YYZ 6017nm EY 77W

62 IAD-PEKº 6014nm UA 77E

63 EZE-FCOº 6013nm ARˇ/AZ ˇ 340/77E

64 ICN-JFK 6001nm KE/OZ ˇ 77W+744**/777
65 LHRº-EZE 5999nm BAˇ 777
66 DXB-YYZ 5995nm EK 388
67 CDG-EZE 5980nm AF 777
68 ISTº-LAX 5971nm TK ˇ 77W
69 AUH-JFK 5967nm EY 345
70 SYD-JNB 5963nm QF 744
71 ATL-NRT 5953nm SA)">DL 77L
72 DXB-JFK 5951nm EK 77W+388
73 (tie) ICN-DFWº 5945nm KE 744
73 (tie) ISBº-YYZ 5945nm PK 777
74 PEK-JFK 5942nm CAˇ 744
75 EWR-PEK 5936nm SA)">CO 777
76 TPE-LAX 5908nm CIˇ/BR/MHˇ 744/77W/772
77 BCNº-SIN 5889nm SQ 77W
(JFK-HND 5885nm AA 777 Suspended. Scheduled to resume 26April)
78 LHR-SIN 5879nm BA/QF/SQ 744+777/388/77W+388
79 NRT-IAD 5868nm NH ˇ/UA 777/777
80 RUHº-IAD 5865nm SV ˇ 77L
81 JFK-NRT 5861nm AA/DL/JLˇ/NH 777/744/773/77W
82 EWR-NRT 5850nm SA)">CO 777
83 DOH-JFK 5825nm QR 77W
84 CDG-SIN 5794nm AF/SQ 777/388
85 MADº-SCL 5777nm IBˇ/LAˇ 346/343
86 IAH-NRT 5772nm SA)">CO 777
87 DTW-ICN 5766nm SA)">DL 777
88 HKG-JNB 5762nm CX/SA 343/343
(DTW-PEK 5762nm SA)">DL scheduled 1July)
89 ICN-YYZ 5746nm KE 772
90 TIJº-PVG 5745nm AM 777
91 (tie) KULº-LHR 5729nm MH 744
91 (tie) JEDº-IAD 5729nm SV 772
92 ORD-PEK 5717nm AA/UA 777/777
93 PEK-YYZ 5716nm AC/HUˇ 77W/340
94 IAD-KWIº 5713nm UA 777
95 MNL-YVR 5706nm PR 343 or 773
96 KUL-STNº 5699nm D7 ˇ 340
97 DTW-NGOº 5694nm SA)">DL 744
98 IST-GRU 5689nm TK 77W
99 AMS-SIN 5679nm KLˇ/SQ 77W+777/772
100 AMSº-LIMº 5676nm KL 777

SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins n/s both directions with 346 1May.

†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD




* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep

** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep

*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug



QF will operate northbound only

‡‡ QF will operate southbound only

‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May



PK operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LHE-MAN-JFK
◊◊ AM operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: MEX-TIJ-NRT



§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LAX-HNL-MNL
§§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: SFO-HNL-MNL



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º longest flight for this airport
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:26 pm

An addition and a correction:

Emirates has announced a DXB-GIG-EZE flight, scheduled to begin with 77W in Jan 2012. The DXB-GIG segment will appear in the next installment at 6417nm.

Correction: the longest flight for AMS currently is not the AMS-LIM fight but the one above it: AMS-SIN, fully three nautical miles further.  

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:20 pm

Here are 2 more routes:

TLV-GRU 5723nm LY
ICN-ORD 5693nm OZ/KE

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 22):
Emirates has announced a DXB-GIG-EZE flight, scheduled to begin with 77W in Jan 2012.

That is exciting news! In the several month history of this list, a positive trend worth noting is that new routes announced far exceed the discontinuation of existing routes.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:50 pm

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 23):
Here are 2 more routes...

Thanks for the new routes, Nick.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 23):
In the several month history of this list, a positive trend worth noting is that new routes announced far exceed the discontinuation of existing routes.
Definately. In fact, if all promises are kept, the bottom 10 routes are at risk of disappearing from the list by the end of the year. Quite the growth sector!

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:01 am

LAD-HAV (5923nm) now appears on TAAG's website:

Flight: Angola Airlines DT702
From: Luanda
To: Havana
Number of stops: 0
Depart: Wed, 04 May, 19:00
Arrive: Thu, 05 May, 04:00
Aircraft: Boeing 777
Meal: Snack
Smoking allowed: No


Flight: Angola Airlines DT703
From: Havana
To: Luanda
Number of stops: 0
Depart: Fri, 06 May, 02:00
Arrive: Fri, 06 May, 20:00
Aircraft: Boeing 777
Meal: Snack
Smoking allowed: No

That is quite a long flight for only a snack (??). Curiously, smoking is allowed on their recently announced PEK nonstop but is not allowed on this flight.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:35 am

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 25):
Curiously, smoking is allowed on their recently announced PEK nonstop but is not allowed on this flight.

Could this be due to laws in Cuba in contrast to laws in China?

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:31 pm

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 25):
LAD-HAV (5923nm) now appears on TAAG's website...

Nick have you noticed any other dates for this flight or did you just happen on this one?
The reason I ask is because of this quote I found from a TAAG’s HAV route discussion back in November:

“Here is the schedule from LAD-HAV-LAD for those interested:
DT 702, LAD-HAV, 13:00-18:30, 777, Nonstop, Operates on some Wednesdays
DT 703, HAV-LAD, 19:00-11:30, 777, Nonstop, Operates on some Thursdays”

Taag Flying Nonstop LAD-HAV With 777s (by MHTripple7 Nov 21 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4990283&searchid=4991010&s=TAAG+Angola+Airlines#ID4991010

The "operates on some Wednesdays/Thursdays" makes it sound like its a sort of charter operation. It really doesn’t meet the “found in the current OAG” criterion for inclusion either (they never list it) but I will include it on the list and footnote it as "irregular operations" unless you see some pattern in the scheduling of this flight.

In other business, there's a thread in Civ Av about Jet Airways launching DEL-EWR flights which supplies this source:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Je...-non-stop-flight-to-the-US/773365/

“ ‘The company (9W) has been exploring this option and is also in talks with US domestic airline Delta to provide connections within that country,’ said a company executive and added that the proposal is on the drawing board. The New Delhi-New York (EWR) flight may be launched by 2011-end or 2012.”

"On the drawing board" and "may be launched by 2011 end or 2012” does not sound very definitive, but I’ll add the flight as a footnote to the existing CO service and we shall see if or when this flight is actually inaugurated.

Finally, I’d like to return to a flight that I’ve gone back and forth for some time about inclusion in the World’s Longest list: TLV-GRU on LY.

I came across this trip report:
TLV-GRU With LY And GRU-EZE With JJ (by CastropRauxel Jun 15 2009 in Trip Reports)

in which a passenger on this route (who’s not at all impressed with the airline, to say the least!), writes,

“A look at yet another map, the interactive flight map, showed that the route is like a trip to Europe - going over LCA, ATH, FCO, MRS, BCN, MAD and LIS before turning left towards South America. now, isn't this trip long enough? can we really not avoid going over main cities in classical Europe?”

The poster also lists the flight time as 15 hours.

I was resisting listing this route as flown (west to Spain then south-west to Brazil due to restrictions on overflights imposed by the countries of N. Africa) - even FlightAware and El Al’s own site list the flight with the direct mileage over Africa, at 5723nm, for some reason, but this is the second actual routing piece of evidence I’ve seen and they are roughly the same, so I’ve changed my mind.

I'm going to list the flight at 6600nm, a 877nm detour from the great circle routing. Of course the flight will be footnoted as to it’s unique situation.

If anyone can come up with evidence for, or has first-hand knowledge of the North/East bound flight, I would be interested!

Cheers!
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 27):
I'm going to list the flight at 6600nm, a 877nm detour from the great circle routing. Of course the flight will be footnoted as to it’s unique situation.

It is your decision, but I wouldn't put TLV-GRU as 6600nm, even if it does constantly detour. I think the list should be kept to the non-stop according to gcmap.com. There are just too many routes that do detour slightly. When you start making one exception to the list, it gets hard to stop the rest, and there is no real way to govern if one route is longer than the other, unless clear rules are set for the list, as in "non-stop on gcmap.com"

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:55 pm

@yeogeo

TAAG's Luanda-Havana flights operate bi-weekly
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:21 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 27):
I will include it on the list and footnote it as "irregular operations" unless you see some pattern in the scheduling of this flight.

On TAAG's website, the schedule for the LAD-HAV nonstop is every other Wednesday (April 20th, May 4th, May 18th, etc., through October 19th). Likewises, the schedule for the HAV-LAD nonstop is every other Friday (April 22nd, May 6th, May 20th, etc. through October 21st). I found availability on each possible date. So, there does appear to be a regular pattern.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 26):
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 25):
Curiously, smoking is allowed on their recently announced PEK nonstop but is not allowed on this flight.

Could this be due to laws in Cuba in contrast to laws in China?

Perhaps that is the explanation. I would think that a "nonsmoking" flight in which the aircraft just returned from the "smoking" LAD-PEK-LAD route would not be pleasant for many non-smokers.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:37 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 28):
It is your decision, but I wouldn't put TLV-GRU as 6600nm, even if it does constantly detour.

Actually, I'd rather have it a communal decision, so thanks for the input!!
In light of that, it occurs to me why not footnote the routing and reasons and leave the route at it's Great Circle routing.
Sound O.K.?

Quoting Skyeurope (Reply 29):
TAAG's Luanda-Havana flights operate bi-weekly
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 30):
On TAAG's website, the schedule for the LAD-HAV nonstop is every other Wednesday (April 20th...

Thanks guys, that's helpful and I now know how to enter the info. on the list

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:28 pm

World’s 100 Longest Flights
9 April 2011 update:

The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in 
nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ . 



To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.



1 SINº-EWRº 8285nm SQˇ 345

2 SIN-LAXº 7621nm SQ 345

(SYD-DFW ‡ 7454nm QF 744 scheduled 16May) 

3 ATLº-JNBº 7334nm SA)">DLˇ 77L

4 DXBº-LAX 7246nm EK ˇ 77W+77L

(DFW-BNE ‡‡ 7215nm QF 744 scheduled 16May)

5 BKKº-LAX 7186nm TGˇ 345

6 DXB-IAHº 7097nm EK 77L

7 DXB-SFOº 7041nm EK 77W

8 HKGº-JFKº 7014nm CX ˇ 77W

9 EWR-HKG 7009nm SA)">COˇ 77E

10 DOHº-IAH 6993nm QRˇ 77L

11 JFK-JNB† 6925nm SAˇ 343

12 MELº-LAX 6883nm QF ˇ/VAˇ 744 or 388/77W

13 DTWº-HKG 6828nm SA)">DL 77L

14 YYZ º-HKG 6787nm ACˇ/CX 77L****/77W

15 BOMº-EWR 6784nm AIˇ/CO 77L/77E

16 TPEº-EWR†† 6777nm BRˇ 77W 

17 ORDº-HKG* 6772nm UAˇ 744

18 YVRº-SYDº 6741nm AC 77L

(ATL-PVG 6656nm SA)">DL 77E scheduled 5June)

19 ATL-DXB 6604nm SA)">DL 77L

20 DXB-GRUº 6597nm EK 77W

21 TLVº-LAX 6581nm LY ˇ 772

22 TPE-YYZ 6534nm BR 77W

23 AUHº-SYD 6510nm EY ˇ/VA 346/77W

24 LAX-SYD 6507nm SA)">DL/QF/UA/VA 77L/388+744/744/77W

25 ORD-DELº 6503nm AAˇ/AI 777/77W

26 DXB-SYD 6500nm EK 388

(BNE-AUH 6485nm VA 77W scheduled “by Feb 2012”)

27 DXB-BNEº 6467nm EK 77W

28 DOH-MEL 6454nm QR 77L

29 SYD-SFO 6445nm QF‡‡‡/UA 744

(IAH-AKL 6444nm UA 787 proposed Nov ’11, delayed to ’12)

30 PVGº-JFK 6424nm MU ˇ 346
(DXB-GIG 6417nm EK 77W scheduled Jan ’12)

31 EWR-PVG 6416nm SA)">CO 77E

32 DOH-GRU 6400nm QR 77L

33 SYD-EZEº 6366nm QF 744

34 EWR-DEL 6364nm SA)">CO 77E

35 DEL-JFK 6359nm AI 77W
(LAD-PEK 6359nm DT 777 scheduled 11July) 

36 MNLº-LAX § 6348nm PRˇ 343+744

37 AUH-ORD 6322nm EY 346 ***

38 KHIº-YYZ 6313nm PK ˇ 777

39 HKG-LAX 6309nm CX 773 

40 DEL-YYZ 6297nm AI 77W

41 CDGº-SCLº 6291nm AF ˇ 777

42 AUH-MEL 6287nm EY 345

43 CANº-LAX 6284nm CZ ˇ 772

44 DXB-MEL 6283nm EK 77W

45 IADº-ADDº ††† 6251nm ET ˇ 77L

46 BNE-LAX 6223nm QF/VA 744/77W

47 ICNº-ATL 6215nm KE ˇ 744+744

48 DTW-PVG 6201nm SA)">DL 777 or 744

49 FRAº-EZE 6197nm LH ˇ 744

50 YYZ-PVG 6176nm AC 77L

(AMS-EZE 6176nm KL 77E scheduled 31OCT)

51 IAD-DXB 6142nm UA 777

52 JFK-LHEº ◊ 6141nm PK 777

53 ORD-PVG 6132nm AA/UA 777/77E

54 AKLº-YVR 6121nm NZ ˇ 772

55 NRTº-MEXº ◊◊ 6086nm AM ˇ 763

56 LHE-YYZ 6085nm PK 777

57 MNL-SFO §§ 6071nm PR 744

58 ICN-IAD 6046nm KE 772

(KIX-JFK 6036nm CI 744 scheduled 28April)

59 HKG-SFO 6019nm CX/SQ/UA 744/77W/744

60 DOH-IAD 6018nm QR 77W

61 AUH-YYZ 6017nm EY 77W

62 IAD-PEKº 6014nm UA 77E

63 EZE-FCOº 6013nm ARˇ/AZ ˇ 340/77E

64 ICN-JFK 6001nm KE/OZ ˇ 77W+744**/777
65 LHRº-EZE 5999nm BAˇ 777
66 DXB-YYZ 5995nm EK 388
67 CDG-EZE 5980nm AF 777
68 ISTº-LAX 5971nm TK ˇ 77W
69 AUH-JFK 5967nm EY 345
70 SYD-JNB 5963nm QF 744
71 ATL-NRT 5953nm SA)">DL 77L
72 DXB-JFK 5951nm EK 77W+388
73 (tie) ICN-DFWº 5945nm KE 744
73 (tie) ISBº-YYZ 5945nm PK 777
74 PEK-JFK 5942nm CAˇ 744
75 EWR-PEK 5936nm SA)">CO 777
76 LADº-HAVº 5923nm DT ˇ 777
77 TPE-LAX 5908nm CIˇ/BR/MHˇ 744/77W/772
78 BCNº-SIN 5889nm SQ 77W
(JFK-HND 5885nm AA 777 Suspended. Scheduled to resume 26April)
79 LHR-SIN 5879nm BA/QF/SQ 744+777/388/77W+388
80 NRT-IAD 5868nm NH ˇ/UA 777/777
81 RUHº-IAD 5865nm SV ˇ 77L
82 JFK-NRT 5861nm AA/DL/JLˇ/NH 777/744/773/77W
83 EWR-NRT 5850nm SA)">CO 777
84 DOH-JFK 5825nm QR 77W
85 CDG-SIN 5794nm AF/SQ 777/388
86 MADº-SCL 5777nm IBˇ/LAˇ 346/343
87 IAH-NRT 5772nm SA)">CO 777
88 DTW-ICN 5766nm SA)">DL 777
89 HKG-JNB 5762nm CX/SA 343/343
(DTW-PEK 5762nm SA)">DL scheduled 1July)
90 ICN-YYZ 5746nm KE 772
91 TIJº-PVG 5745nm AM 777
92 (tie) KULº-LHR 5729nm MH 744
92 (tie) JEDº-IAD 5729nm SV 772
93 TLV-GRU 5723nm◊◊◊ LY 772
94 ORD-PEK 5717nm AA/UA 777/777
95 PEK-YYZ 5716nm AC/HUˇ 77W/340
96 IAD-KWIº 5713nm UA 777
97 MNL-YVR 5706nm PR 343 or 773
98 KUL-STNº 5699nm D7 ˇ 340
99 DTW-NGOº 5694nm SA)">DL 744
100 ICN-ORD 5693nm OZ/KE 777/744



SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins n/s both directions with 346 1May.

†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD




* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep

** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep

*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug
****AC to operate 77W on some days from 30May



QF will operate northbound only

‡‡ QF will operate southbound only

‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May



PK operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LHE-MAN-JFK
◊◊ AM operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: MEX-TIJ-NRT
◊◊◊ LY currently operates TLV-GRU indirectly due to restrictions on over-flights imposed by the countries of N. Africa. Mileage flown may be as high as 6600nm. 



§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LAX-HNL-MNL
§§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: SFO-HNL-MNL



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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:53 pm

Doesn't Conviasa operate a bi-weekly CCS-DAM (Damascus) nonstop (5722nm)?

This might be the only route in the world that passes over 5 continents (assuming it clips Europe and the West Indies):

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ccs-dam&MS=wls&MR=540&MX=720x360&PM=*

[Edited 2011-04-12 09:10:04]
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:09 pm

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 33):
Doesn't Conviasa operate a bi-weekly CCS-DAM (Damascus) nonstop (5722nm)?

  
Excellent find, BNAOWB!

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:43 pm

FX operates n/s from HKG-MEM at 7115 nm.   
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:51 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 34):
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 33):
Doesn't Conviasa operate a bi-weekly CCS-DAM (Damascus) nonstop (5722nm)?

Excellent find, BNAOWB!

Thanks very much!

Of the 102 ranked flights (since there are 2 ties), here is an updated geographical breakdown:

North America - East Asia 41
North America - Middle East 17
North America - South Asia 9
North America - Aust./N.Z. 6
South America - Europe 6
Australia - Middle East 6
Europe - East Asia 5
South America - Middle East 4
North America - Africa 4
Australia - Africa 1
Australia - South America 1
North America - Europe 1
Africa - East Asia 1

So, the vast majority (78 of 102) still involve North America. 19 of the routes involve JFK or EWR. Only 2 of the routes stay entirely within the Southern Hemisphere.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:51 am

World’s 100 Longest Flights
1 May 2011 update

Two flights have joined the 1May ranked schedules:

SA)">AA’s JFK-NRT (5885nm) has been reinstated after being suspended (although will be suspended again on 8May; see footnote †) and CI has initiated KIX-JFK (6036nm). Two flights are therefore off the list: D7’s KUL-STN (5699nm) and DTW-NGO (5694nm).

Another notable change since the last update include SA’s converting it’s JNB-JFK flight (6925nm) to 346 from 343 and the flying of both directions now nonstop.

Also noted is OAG listing the end of QF’s SYD-SFO flight on 7May instead of the previously published end date of 14May.

The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in 
nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ . 



To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.



1 SINº-EWRº 8285nm SQˇ 345

2 SIN-LAXº 7621nm SQ 345

(SYD-DFW ‡ 7454nm QF 744 scheduled 16May) 

3 ATLº-JNBº 7334nm DLˇ 77L

4 DXBº-LAX 7246nm EK ˇ 77W+77L

(DFW-BNE ‡‡ 7215nm QF 744 scheduled 16May)

5 BKKº-LAX 7186nm TGˇ 345

6 DXB-IAHº 7097nm EK 77L

7 DXB-SFOº 7041nm EK 77W

8 HKGº-JFKº 7014nm CX ˇ 77W

9 EWR-HKG 7009nm COˇ 77E

10 DOHº-IAH 6993nm QRˇ 77L

11 JNB-JFK 6925nm SAˇ 346

12 MELº-LAX 6883nm QF ˇ/VAˇ 744 or 388/77W

13 DTWº-HKG 6828nm DL 77L

14 YYZ º-HKG 6787nm ACˇ/CX 77L****/77W

15 BOMº-EWR 6784nm AIˇ/CO 77L/77E

16 TPEº-EWR†† 6777nm BRˇ 77W 

17 ORDº-HKG* 6772nm UAˇ 744

18 YVRº-SYDº 6741nm AC 77L

(ATL-PVG 6656nm DL 77L scheduled 5June)

19 ATL-DXB 6604nm DL 77L

20 DXB-GRUº 6597nm EK 77W

21 TLVº-LAX 6581nm LY ˇ 772

22 TPE-YYZ 6534nm BR 77W

23 AUHº-SYD 6510nm EY ˇ/VA 346/77W

24 LAX-SYD 6507nm DL/QF/UA/VA 77L/388+744/744/77W

25 ORD-DELº 6503nm SA)">AAˇ/AI 777/77W

26 DXB-SYD 6500nm EK 388

(BNE-AUH 6485nm VA 77W scheduled “by Feb 2012”)

27 DXB-BNEº 6467nm EK 77W

28 DOH-MEL 6454nm QR 77L

29 SYD-SFO 6445nm QF‡‡‡/UA 744

(IAH-AKL 6444nm UA 787 proposed Nov ’11, delayed to ’12)

30 PVGº-JFK 6424nm MU ˇ 346
(DXB-GIG 6417nm EK 77W scheduled Jan ’12)

31 EWR-PVG 6416nm CO 77E

32 DOH-GRU 6400nm QR 77L

33 SYD-EZEº 6366nm QF 744

34 EWR-DEL 6364nm CO 77E

35 DEL-JFK 6359nm AI 77W
(LAD-PEK 6359nm DT 777 scheduled 11July) 

36 MNLº-LAX § 6348nm PRˇ 343+744

37 AUH-ORD 6322nm EY 346 ***

38 KHIº-YYZ 6313nm PK ˇ 777

39 HKG-LAX 6309nm CX 773 

40 DEL-YYZ 6297nm AI 77W

41 CDGº-SCLº 6291nm AF ˇ 777

42 AUH-MEL 6287nm EY 345

43 CANº-LAX 6284nm CZ ˇ 772

44 DXB-MEL 6283nm EK 77W

45 IADº-ADDº ††† 6251nm ET ˇ 77L

46 BNE-LAX 6223nm QF/VA 744/77W

47 ICNº-ATL 6215nm KE ˇ 744

48 DTW-PVG 6201nm DL 777 or 744

49 FRAº-EZE 6197nm LH ˇ 744

50 YYZ-PVG 6176nm AC 77L

(AMS-EZE 6176nm KL 77E scheduled 31OCT)

51 IAD-DXB 6142nm UA 777

52 JFK-LHEº ◊ 6141nm PK 777

53 ORD-PVG 6132nm SA)">AA/UA 777/77E

54 AKLº-YVR 6121nm NZ ˇ 772 »»

55 NRTº-MEXº ◊◊ 6086nm AM ˇ 763

56 LHE-YYZ 6085nm PK 777

57 MNL-SFO §§ 6071nm PR 744

58 ICN-IAD 6046nm KE 77W

59 KIXº-JFK 6036nm CI ˇ 744

60 HKG-SFO 6019nm CX/SQ/UA 744/77W/744

61 DOH-IAD 6018nm QR 77W

62 AUH-YYZ 6017nm EY 77W

63 IAD-PEKº 6014nm UA 77E

64 EZE-FCOº 6013nm ARˇ/AZ ˇ 340/77E

65 ICN-JFK 6001nm KE/OZ ˇ 77W+744**/777
66 LHRº-EZE 5999nm BAˇ 777
67 DXB-YYZ 5995nm EK 388
68 CDG-EZE 5980nm AF 777
69 ISTº-LAX 5971nm TK ˇ 77W
70 AUH-JFK 5967nm EY 345
71 SYD-JNB 5963nm QF 744
72 ATL-NRT 5953nm DL 77L
73 DXB-JFK 5951nm EK 77W+388
74 (tie) ICN-DFWº 5945nm KE 744
74 (tie) ISBº-YYZ 5945nm PK 777
75 PEK-JFK 5942nm CAˇ 744
76 EWR-PEK 5936nm CO 77E
77 LADº-HAVº » 5923nm DT ˇ 777
78 TPE-LAX 5908nm CI/BR/MHˇ 744/77W/772
79 BCNº-SIN 5889nm SQ 77W
80 JFK-HNDº † 5885nm SA)">AA 777
81 LHR-SIN 5879nm BA/QF/SQ 744+777/388/77W+388
82 NRT-IAD 5868nm NH ˇ/UA 777/777
83 RUHº-IAD 5865nm SV ˇ 77L
84 JFK-NRT 5861nm SA)">AA/DL/JLˇ/NH 777/744/773/77W
85 EWR-NRT 5850nm CO 77E
86 DOH-JFK 5825nm QR 77W
87 CDG-SIN 5794nm AF/SQ 777/388
88 MADº-SCL 5777nm IBˇ/LAˇ 340/340
89 IAH-NRT 5772nm CO 777
90 DTW-ICN 5766nm DL 777
91 HKG-JNB 5762nm CX/SA 343/343
(DTW-PEK 5762nm DL scheduled 1July)
92 ICN-YYZ 5746nm KE 772
93 TIJº-PVG 5745nm AM 777
94 (tie) KULº-LHR 5729nm MH 744
94 (tie) JEDº-IAD 5729nm SV 77L
95 TLV-GRU 5723nm◊◊◊ LY 772
96 CCSº-DAMº 5722nm VOˇ 340
97 ORD-PEK 5717nm SA)">AA/UA 777/777
98 PEK-YYZ 5716nm AC/HUˇ 77W/340
99 IAD-KWIº 5713nm UA 777
100 MNL-YVR 5706nm PR 343 or 773

SA)">AA will suspend from 8May. Scheduled to resume 1July.

†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD
†††† KE will operate 77W from 30Oct.




* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep

** KE from 2Aug 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep

*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug
****AC to operate 77W on some days from 30May



QF will operate northbound only

‡‡ QF will operate southbound only

‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 7May



PK operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LHE-MAN-JFK
◊◊ AM operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: MEX-TIJ-NRT
◊◊◊ LY currently operates TLV-GRU indirectly due to restrictions on over-flights imposed by the countries of N. Africa. Actual mileage may be as high as 6600nm. 



§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: LAX-HNL-MNL
§§ PR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: SFO-HNL-MNL

» DT operates through 19OCT
»» NZ will operate 744 from 22Jun



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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:56 am

amazing the percentage operated by 777 aircraft. A true testament to the 777s abilities.
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:55 am

A couple of errors in the last edition:

>#96 DAM-HAV is flown by Conviasa (code: V-zero) not by Tyrolean (code: V-letter O) !

>the orphan footnote †††† belongs to #74, KE's ICN-DFW.

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 38):
amazing the percentage operated by 777 aircraft.


One of these days I (or someone else) should sort out the various a/c in the list with percentages.

Will also be interesting to see the change in the list over time as the 787 and 350 families come into service.

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:25 pm

Thanks for the update!

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 37):
AA’s JFK-NRT (5885nm) has been reinstated after being suspended (although will be suspended again on 8May; see footnote †)

Just to clarify so no one is confused, JFK-HND is the affected route (as you have it shown properly on the list).

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 39):
Will also be interesting to see the change in the list over time as the 787 and 350 families come into service.

Definitely. Considering the airlines that have these new aircraft on order, would anyone care to speculate which new routes (over 5706nm) might be announced first?

A few observations related to the list comparing JFK and EWR .....

Unlike JFK which has DXB, DOH, and AUH nonstops, EWR has no Gulf nonstops.
EWR has no ICN nonstops yet JFK has ICN nonstops on both KE and OZ.

But, unlike JFK, EWR has BOM and TPE nonstops (eastbound from TPE only).

It seems that if OZ switched to EWR-ICN they could better exploit the Star connecting feed.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:08 pm

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 40):
Thanks for the update!

You're welcome!

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 40):
Just to clarify so no one is confused, JFK-HND is the affected route (as you have it shown properly on the list).

Thanks for catching that, BNAOWB. It seems no matter how many times I proofread the listing and footnotes there's some unintended entry or two.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 40):
would anyone care to speculate which new routes (over 5706nm) might be announced first?

AKL-ORD was mentioned (by A-netters? Air New Zealand itself? I don't recall where I read this) as being likely once the 789's are delivered to NZ. Leaving aside routes in the upper ranges of the list, I imagine the possibilities are quite numerous in the longish, thin routes in which the 787 will specialize.

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:52 pm

Thank you for the effor YeoGeo.

Welcome to my RU list.  
Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 38):
amazing the percentage operated by 777 aircraft. A true testament to the 777s abilities.

I was quite surprised by how many 777 were on that list. By the time I was going down, it made the #55 NRT-MEX with a 763 quite a surprise! I expect the number of A343/A345/A346 to shrink and be replaced by A388, 788, and in 2013 the A359.   

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 41):
I imagine the possibilities are quite numerous in the longish, thin routes in which the 787 will specialize.

The possibilities are quite exciting for the 787. I'm looking forward to seeing the type added to you list.

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:44 am

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 41):
AKL-ORD was mentioned (by A-netters? Air New Zealand itself? I don't recall where I read this) as being likely once the 789's are delivered to NZ.

That would be an amazing route (roughly #8 on the current list) if it comes about.

An interesting dynamic is that many of the routes on the current list were formerly operated as 1-stop routes. Here are some 1-stop routes that could reasonably become nonstops in the near future that would qualify for the list:

KL AMS-KUL-CGK > AMS-CGK (6130nm)
GA AMS-DXB-CGK > AMS-CGK (6130nm)

LH FRA-SIN-CGK > FRA-CGK (5998nm)

Royal Brunei BWN-DXB-LHR > BWN-LHR (6096nm)

From a recent Indonesian thread on this forum, it sounds like KL is performing much better than GA on the AMS-CGK route.

I would have included SA IAD-DKR-JNB but a poster recently explained that DKR is quite essential to that route's success.

Perhaps SQ's MAN-MUC-SIN will be separated into MUC-SIN and MAN-SIN (as the route formerly was operated nonstop)?

Also, here is another way to classify the 102 ranked routes on the list (since there are 2 ties):

Trans-Pacific 49 (including EWR-SIN which is not always flown that direction)
Trans-Atlantic 41
Within Europe/Africa/Asia/Australia 12
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:13 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 42):
Thank you for the effort YeoGeo. Welcome to my RU list.  

You're welcome, Neil, it's a pleasure really. And thank you very much!

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 40):
Unlike JFK which has DXB, DOH, and AUH nonstops, EWR has no Gulf nonstops.
EWR has no ICN nonstops yet JFK has ICN nonstops on both KE and OZ... It seems that if OZ switched to EWR-ICN they could better exploit the Star connecting feed.

I wonder if JFK has more allure for non-US long distance carriers; it does seem that EWR is less attractive for some reason. Surely you'd think OZ would jump across town, as you say.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 43):
Perhaps SQ's MAN-MUC-SIN will be separated into MUC-SIN and MAN-SIN (as the route formerly was operated nonstop)?

MAN-SIN strikes me as a route for their 789's!

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 40):
Considering the airlines that have these new aircraft on order, would anyone care to speculate which new routes (over 5706nm) might be announced first?


Might be another thread: gather a list of all regularly scheduled airlines with 787's on order and put it to the A-net community: what are the likely routes for each carrier. And then another thread for the A-350 family.

I'm sure a lot of them would qualify for the 100 longest list. ...exciting times ahead!

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Sun May 01, 2011 1:55 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 44):
I wonder if JFK has more allure for non-US long distance carriers; it does seem that EWR is less attractive for some reason. Surely you'd think OZ would jump across town, as you say.

Are there any other cities worldwide with 2 or more large international airports in which a foreign long distance carrier does not serve the airport with a strong presence of that airline's alliance but instead serves the airport with a much weaker presence of that airline's alliance? For example, if DL served ORY instead of CDG or DME instead of SVO.

Perhaps Star Alliance airlines, such as OZ, that serve JFK instead of EWR have all of the connecting feed that they deem necessary on the non-US end of their routes? Maybe there are space issues at EWR but not at JFK? Maybe there is a perceived difference in prestige between the 2 airports?
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon May 02, 2011 1:24 pm

What amazes me about these routes:
1. 7000nm+, only nine routes
2. 6000nm to 6999nm 56 routes


I'm also impressed in how the latest PIPs and other improvements allow the 744 to keep flying ULH.   
I expect the 748I, the 787, and the A350 to significantly expand this list. Heck, in other threads, I've been predicting a few routes to be operated by (even opened) by the A388 once the weight reduction knocks off all the initial 6T overweight, the small aerodynamic improvements going through, and the first engine PIPs enter service.

Even then, I expect routes below 6000nm to still make this list.   

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 44):
I'm sure a lot of them would qualify for the 100 longest list. ...exciting times ahead

Yes it is.

and I didn't even mention the impact of further 77W range improvements...  

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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon May 02, 2011 2:50 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 35):

Are you not including routes flown by FedEx or UPS?
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Mon May 02, 2011 4:16 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 47):
Are you not including routes flown by FedEx or UPS?

I've been consistent prefacing these lists by saying:
"To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide."

The reason I've been saying passenger flights only is that I would like for the list to be based on up to date information. I have the OAG to check the routes monthly, but as you probably know the OAG Worldwide edition includes only scheduled passenger service.

If I, or someone had an up to the minute source for scheduled cargo flights worldwide, I would consider adding a separate list for these, or I would suggest a separate thread.

Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, fxramper.


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RE: World's Longest Flights, 2nd Edition

Tue May 03, 2011 1:43 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 46):
I'm also impressed in how the latest PIPs and other improvements allow the 744 to keep flying ULH.

Does this explain the abilities of UA's 744's, lightsaber? I know they're not the ER version, yet they hold their own at pretty lofty rankings with ORD-HKG and LAX-SYD (6772 and 6507 nm respectively).

I'm booked on one of these come November (NRT-ORD). Have flown on all current UA aircraft but the 744 and excited to fly one finally, even though UA's 744's have rather lowly status on A-net.
Here you'd think that PIP stands for Pig Improvement Program  

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