goblin211
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What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:50 pm

When I see ads here on a.net the lowest fares are one day "as low as $39" then the next are "as low as $53" I know the airlines are constantly changing their prices and the high cost of fuel and all, but is this why they stopped showing fares on orbitz and expedia, so they could fluctuate their lowest fares like this? Besides, I checked out these fares and they were one way from like DFW to AUS or something like that. I hardly consider it a great deal when I could drive there and back for much cheaper.
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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:59 pm

Wake up buddy!!!
Been happening for years.... whenever you see fares like those, there is always something in fineprint.
Never even expect to fly long distance at those low fares on a legacy carrier.
And it is not just AA, but such fares are advertized by others as well and they are all 1-way fares and most of the times to neighbor towns.

Also it is a known fact that airlines change fares multiple times a day. Dunno why you are so surprised.
 
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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:21 pm

Seems like the ad did exactly what the marketing department at AA wanted....it caught your attention enough to draw you to aa.com.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
I know the airlines are constantly changing their prices

Not exactly. While airlines do push through fare increases occasionally (which usually make the news briefs in the business section of newspapers) what you see occuring is often a case of the airlines' sophisticated yield management programs in place. The individual letter that appears in the center of your boarding pass (I.E. "Y" or "M" or "T") or paper ticket (now a rarity) is the booking class of service. There may be 15 or 20 "classes of service" for all of a flight's coach cabin. Each class of service within a cabin (first, business or coach) has an accompanying fare and specific fare rules (non-refundable, fully refundable, upgradeable, non-upgradable, frequent flyer award, etc.) An airline will set a limit of how many tickets can be purchased for each class of service. Once the cheapest inventory has reached a prescribed limit of seats sold, then anyone wanting to purchase a seat on that flight moves up to the next class of service until a flight fills up. Once a flight is almost booked to capacity, often the only seats available are the most expensive, least restrictive ("Y" fares as an example in coach). This allows the airline to maximize their profit per flight. They make their real money off the fully refundable "Y" tickets that many business people buy (flexibility for refunable tickets) and make a little "cream" or frosting off the "el cheapo" tickets they advertise for $39 or $59, etc.

In the example above, AA may offer 5 seats on an MD-80 flight from DFW to AUS for $39. Once the first 5 people snap up those tickets, then the next cheapest may be 10 seats available for $59 and so on until you reach the fully refunable "Y" class that may be $250 for the same 1 way ticket. This is similar to how only a few award seats per flight are available, otherwise the airline would make no money at all.

Therefore, the banners are not a bait and switch. It's more likely that the really good, low tickets have been snapped up.

Also, even though you may not be interested in DFW to AUS, there are likely plenty of others who would rather fly than battle traffic or shell out the continually rising fuel prices. Also, some people would fly it just for the qualifying segments or miles for elite frequent flyer status (I.E. mileage runs). It may sound nuts, but plenty of people do it....especially at the right fare!

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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:08 pm

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
When I see ads here on a.net the lowest fares are one day "as low as $39" then the next are "as low as $53" I know the airlines are constantly changing their prices and the high cost of fuel and all, but is this why they stopped showing fares on orbitz and expedia, so they could fluctuate their lowest fares like this? Besides, I checked out these fares and they were one way from like DFW to AUS or something like that. I hardly consider it a great deal when I could drive there and back for much cheaper.

Sorry, I don't quite to even begin to understand your point. The fares on any airline anywhere in the world change on a constant basis and are entirely dependant on availability of any seat within any given fare class (and I said fare class, not cabin class). It has been this way since the advent of air travel and has nothing whatsoever to do with leaving Orbitz/Expedia!! Mind you, the second part really 'worries' me......do you seriously expecting air fares to be less than the cost of driving a car??? If so, you clearly have never done much flying nor have any knowledge at all of the industry. If you can drive somewhere and back "for much cheaper" then you are clearly only looking at it from a price aspect and nothing else, nor from the correct aspect of the journey.
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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:13 pm

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Besides, I checked out these fares and they were one way from like DFW to AUS or something like that. I hardly consider it a great deal when I could drive there and back for much cheaper.

It's 227 miles from DFW to AUS. With gas prices at almost $4 a gallon, are you really sure you can drive there and back for much cheaper? I highly doubt it.
 
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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:23 pm

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
is this why they stopped showing fares on orbitz and expedia, so they could fluctuate their lowest fares like this?

::blink:: Looking for a conspiracy theory where none exists, it seems.

Fare sales simply expire all of the time, to be replaced with other fares, higher or lower. It could also be the cookies in your browser learning more about you over time from your location, buying and viewing habits, then delivering ads more relevant to you.
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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:34 pm

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 3):
do you seriously expecting air fares to be less than the cost of driving a car???

Why not? The IRS says the cost of driving a car is 51 cents a mile. On, say, a 300 mile flight on mainline equipment, CASM isn't likely to be more than 30 cents, so even with a healthy profit margin, the average price to fly ought to be less than driving.
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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:43 pm

I think everyone got the wrong impression from my post. I didn't mean to sound like I was ranting or complaining about AA. I was just asking.
Firstly, I'm not from Texas so I didn't know fuel prices were so high and they're cheaper in Florida at the moment. Secondly, aa777lvr was nice enough to explain to me how airfares work, which I didn't know. So thank you.
Thirdly, I made an honest mistake and forgot about the rewards programs since I don't use them myself or know of anyone who does, therefore, I take back the comment about DFW and AUS. i actually think the marketing dept. was very clever I just didn't know why they did what they did.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 3):
.do you seriously expecting air fares to be less than the cost of driving a car??? If so, you clearly have never done much flying nor have any knowledge at all of the industry. If you can drive somewhere and back "for much cheaper" then you are clearly only looking at it from a price aspect and nothing else, nor from the correct aspect of the journey.

You don't make any sense. Is it airfares are less than driving a car or is it driving is less than airfares? If you meant to say "more" instead of "less" then my response is, of course it's cheaper to fly than drive and more convenient in most cases and I know people use rewards programs on flights I just didn't think about it before I posted.
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RE: What's With AA.com Constantly Changing Fares?

Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:44 pm

Don't tell me u are one of those ppl who show up at the airport to purchase a tkt then shocked when the agent gives u another amount and you go, "but I saw a $49.95 on the Internet!"

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