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Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 4:45 pm

If we could design our ideal economy seat .... how would we want it ?
Fixed back-shell, so we have a preserved personal space ? ...forget the CX seat ... I am talking about something serious  
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 4:53 pm

"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:05 pm

I do like your proposed seat .... what features makes it "ideal" ?
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:13 pm

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 2):
what features makes it "ideal" ?

- 2 Armrests for everyone
- A side, "sleeping", head rest for everyone
- No invasion of personal space from the pax in front
- wider seats
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:18 pm

...ture true ...

And what about cabin crew serving meals to the guy seated on the window seat ?
Can the window seat guy walk out easily and in safety in case of emergency ?
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:19 pm

I remember seeing reference to those a while back... has any airline actually installed them?

As for comfort, a lot will depend on the padding... too thin (to make space for extra legroom etc) and it could be a mersable experience on a long haul flight.
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 1):

I second this... or indeed anything featuring a fixed back shell!
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:21 pm

I love that seat... even if going in and out from the windows site may be painful!!!
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:21 pm

Delta was interested in the seat ... and something went wrong, not sure what ...may be lack of courage ?

[Edited 2011-05-03 10:43:12]

[Edited 2011-05-03 10:43:43]
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:43 pm

I have been keeping faith in Thompson seats for years.
Apparently the most serious issue - they can't certify them due to safety reasons.
I am on EK 231/232. The rest is just jet lag.
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:44 pm

thank you ...and safety was "emergency evacuation" ?
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 5:55 pm

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 4):
And what about cabin crew serving meals to the guy seated on the window seat ?

Meals? What meals? We don't know what that is in the US. haha.

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 4):
Can the window seat guy walk out easily and in safety in case of emergency ?

I would assume the seat would meet any requirements set forth by any of the civil aviation authorities.

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 5):
has any airline actually installed them?

The seats should be certified and ready for production sometime this year. So, no... no airline has yet to install them.

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 8):
Delta was interested in the seat ... and something was wrong, not sure what ...may be lack of courage ?

I wasn't able to find anything saying that Delta is no longer interested in the seat... so for all I know their plans to install them for the international flights just got delayed from the original timeline.
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 6:11 pm

36"+ seat pitch.
5 across seating.
I know the bean counters are cringing.  

Armrests for everyone.
Generous seat recline which does not invade the space of the person seated behind. i.e The seat bottom slides forward similar to the recliner in your home. Only your own leg space is reduced.
I can only dream.   
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 6:24 pm

Bohica, i think that only the 5 across seating on a wide body is a dream ... all the rest is feasible !

...and bean counters will agree when they see passengers willing to pay a premium to fly on the mini L-Z-boy  
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 6:46 pm

Unfortunately, most of your "ideal economy seat" ideas would lead to "less than ideal economy fares". It's a pointless discussion without considering the whole picture.
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Tue May 03, 2011 9:23 pm

My ideal seat would be NZ's skycouch but with 3x3x3 configuration.

I also like the seat that SQ, EK, OZ, TK, KE, etc has on their 77W/744/388, the seat slides forward as you recline and I think they have the same manufacturer.


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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Wed May 04, 2011 2:35 am

hey Fox, thank you ...of course the answer should be in relation to what is feasible .... Or it would be "private jet experience for all ! "
Some might prefer more space, some more features, some privacy, or the replacement of the traditional cushion with something new ...

for jet Blue777, i like the NZ sky-couch , but don't tell me that you had a good experience on the EK seat ...since they removed the foot-rest (in order to save on weight and maintenance) when, unless you are 6foot, you can't touch the pavement with your feet , talking about "dvt) , sigh ....
And i totally agree, 777 should be 3-3-3 !
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Thu May 05, 2011 3:25 am

Oh how I ache for the return of AA More Room Throughout Coach, that was the nearest to the ideal Y cabin (to be updated with IFE today of course) without getting carried away with 38" pitch etc.  

B6 is about as good as they come on the US airlines I have experienced, though I find WN has a very comfy seat and not quite so stingy on the legroom as many of the US majors.

..individual arms rests...I could definitely work with that idea though.

I've just booked seats in DL Economy Comfort for some upcoming TATL flights, that might have a chance of being the ideal Y cabin (or is it bordering on Y+?)
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Thu May 05, 2011 9:34 am

Yeah, I like the "individual armrest" idea, I am for "individual items" and PRIVACY too

that would sacrifice a good inch of the seating space though ... would the passengers be willing to sarifice 1 inch per seating space for a feautre like that ?
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Thu May 05, 2011 11:55 am

Similar to EY's J class and similar staggered configurations, with direct aisle access from every seat - but reduce the seat pitch to around 36 inches and no flat bed. This would necessitate an even number configuration such as 2-4-2. Each seat encapsulated in a 'suite' like configuration with your own TV and footrest. I don't know how best to describe it other than to say think EY's J class with reduced pitch and no flat bed.

Not going to happen, I know, but hey - it's an 'ideal' Y cabin!
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Thu May 05, 2011 1:24 pm

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 15):

Do I do not really like VS, the on their A340s have these type of seats too.
 
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RE: Ideal Economy Cabin

Thu May 05, 2011 3:29 pm

CXB you re right ... I agree , that is the ideal world !

Even in Business Class, is it really necessary to have a full flat ... when it reclines and goes down there in the dark and cols, i can't really say i am comfortable.

What about getting an advanced Z-bed ? With modern features, privacy, amenities ... as if you were sleeping on your recliner sofa at home ....

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