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Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:26 pm

Hi there,

I was looking for a flight from Germany to Australia on the LH website and found that the flight from Singapore to Australia would be on Qantas. Isn't that strange? I would have expected that they will do some codeshare with SQ and I think I saw some LH code share flight numbers from SIN to Australia for SQ flights. So why does the LH website show QF flights instead?
Can anyone let me know why this is the case?

Thanks and all the best!
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:23 pm

I've noticed it also, often when I book through LH's website from PER to OSL, it routes me with Qantas to Singapore, even though SQ have a flight at the same time and LH does codeshare on that flight.

I've wondered for a long time why this is done. Why bother with the codeshare if you aren't going to book passengers on to it?

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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:35 pm

You have several options when booking LH to Australia and that includes interlining with QF. That was the most usual way to travel before alliances came up. the interline departments in the airlines always had the best options and choices when it came to staff travel. Good old days.....

A lot of people don't have airline loyalty cards and they could not care less what they fly. They are booked by travel agents and take what they get as long as the price is alright.

Good to see that inrelining is still an option, at least when you don't have to reach a certain mileage to maintai n the staus...

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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:02 pm

So is the choice with the QF leg in general cheaper than what LH offers by codesharing with SQ?

Doesn't that also bother SQ in a way? After all, QF and SQ compete directly on the Kangoroo Route, especially the SIN-AUS bit.

Seems to me like someone at LH didn't do his homework when StarAlliance popped up out of nowhere and SQ joined the party.
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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:10 pm

Where was your final destination in Australia? May it be possible that LH only codeshares with QF on the Singapore-Australia portion if SQ doesn't fly to where you want to go? Let's say, you want to go to Newcastle and fly FRA-SIN-MEL-NTL, QF will only codeshare on MEL-NTL if the SIN-FRA portion is done on them as well?

Or maybe you went to another destination that QF flies to from SIN direct, whereas SQ doesn't (add to that the lack of Star Alliance support within Australia).
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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:18 pm

QF probably offers LH a better prorate agreement on the SIN-Australia sectors than SQ. SQ may want to keep most of their capacity on that route for their own O&D and online connecting traffic than sharing it with LH. SQ can feed their SIN-Australia flights when dozens of their own flights to/from Europe and Asia, meaning they have less incentive to interline and share the revenue with other carriers.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting kressi1k (Thread starter):

I was looking for a flight from Germany to Australia on the LH website and found that the flight from Singapore to Australia would be on Qantas. Isn't that strange?

The same for KL. It appears that AF/KL has a good interline deal with QF. Probably LH has a similar deal with QF...
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:01 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
You have several options when booking LH to Australia and that includes interlining with QF.

When I go to their webpage, I only get the QF flight. Even though LH do Codeshare on the SQ PER-SIN leg. And it's nothing to with time of departure, as SQ and QF depart 20 minutes apart.

This annoys me, as I do not get mileage, and I do not get lounge access in PER, or in SIN (when traveling to Australia).

The only time I have ever seen the LH codeshare flight available is when booking a Star Alliance Award Ticket (when it really doesn't matter).

Quoting LJ (Reply 6):
The same for KL. It appears that AF/KL has a good interline deal with QF. Probably LH has a similar deal with QF...

There is one key difference, AF/KL do not have any Skyteam partners on the route. The closest partner is MH (which KL does usually route me through if I was to book KL).

I do however often get the TG flight when booking through LH.

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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:10 am

Quoting kressi1k (Thread starter):
I was looking for a flight from Germany to Australia on the LH website and found that the flight from Singapore to Australia would be on Qantas. Isn't that strange?

I've seen the SK website throw up QF and CX, and the AY website often suggests TG.

Quoting LJ (Reply 6):
It appears that AF/KL has a good interline deal with QF

Key difference: AF and QF codeshare. AF SIN-CDG has a QF flight numbers, and QF SIN-BNE/SYD/MEL/PER have AF ones.
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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):
I've seen the SK website throw up QF and CX, and the AY website often suggests TG.

Well, I'm talking from my experience to PER (don't know about the other airports in Australia).

AY used to use TG, because they had flights to BKK (and HKG, but HKG had bad connection times to PER). From BKK there only is TG. However, now, AY have restarted SIN, and they use QF (AY codeshare flight).

SK use TG, since they have a flight to Bangkok. Beijing and Tokyo don't have any real connections to Australia. And they use TG, a star alliance partner.

But even if they flew to Singapore and routed passengers on QF, it still isn't as bad as LH, as LH CODESHARE on SQ.

As SK don't fly to Hong Kong, I don't see where you've seen a CX flight through SK.

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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
SQ may want to keep most of their capacity on that route for their own O&D and online connecting traffic than sharing it with LH

Hmm, that's an interesting insight. And here is me naively thinking that alliances were created for my convenience as a passenger...
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RE: Lufthansa To Australia, Why Qantas?

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:19 am

Quoting vhtje (Reply 10):
And here is me naively thinking that alliances were created for my convenience as a passenger...

Silly boy!!! They are to allow airlines to make more money, passenger convenience only comes into play when it supports that goal, which unfortunately it doesn't always.

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