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Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:13 pm

Hey guys,

I've been into aviation for quite some time and recently decided to take a day trip just to ride on a DC-9. My favorite plane is the Boeing 727 but i haven't been able to find any airlines still flying them commercially, so i figured the DC-9 would be the next closest thing as they both use very similar engines. I had originally planned to find a flight with an MD88, but then i learned Delta was still flying the DC-9 so i started looking for routes.

I ended up finding a flight with Delta from PVD-DTW-BWI and BWI-DTW-PVD, using a CRJ700, DC9, DC9, and Airbus A319 respectively for $59 and $79 for the return so i booked it!

So do you guys think i'm crazy for doing this? I'm leaving my local airport (PVD) 12:41pm and i'll be back home before midnight the same day.

And should i at all be worried about flying on this DC-9? It's scheduled to be a DC-9-51, so most likely it was manufactured anywhere between 1975 and 1980. It's definitely going to be the oldest plane i've ever flown in!

Nevertheless, i'm really excited about flying on it! The flight's on July 19th, so a week from tomorrow. I'm taking the girlfriend with me so i shouldn't get too bored, and we're seated in row 23 on the way down and 24 on the way back, right next to the beautiful JT8D's!

I am however disappointed about having to fly on the CRJ700 and A319... Are either of these airplanes "exciting" to fly on? The only planes i've ever flown on are the 737-200, 737-300, 737-700 and 767...

Thanks for your input!
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:47 pm

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
So do you guys think i'm crazy for doing this?

Absolutely not! I've taken a day trip just to fly in a 777. Believe it or not, I've also been thinking about a day trip just to catch a DC-9.   

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
And should i at all be worried about flying on this DC-9?

Absolutely not! Those planes are built like tanks, and it's a testament to their durability and the maintenance crews that they have been plying the skies for so long.

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
I am however disappointed about having to fly on the CRJ700 and A319... Are either of these airplanes "exciting" to fly on?

Well, they certainly don't hold a candle to the historic element of the DC-9, but they have their redeeming qualities. If you're lucky, you'll hear the "barking dog" on the A319.

Have fun!   
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:16 am

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
And should i at all be worried about flying on this DC-9?

Nope. I have thousands of hours and thousands of legs in the DC-9 and have zero qualms with it. Enjoy the ride.

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
I am however disappointed about having to fly on the CRJ700 and A319... Are either of these airplanes "exciting" to fly on?

Well at least it's not a 50 seat CRJ, but a CRJ is never a favorite though I've never flown it as a pilot. I don't know why you'd be disappointed with an A-319; except for the L-1011 it my favorite aircraft that I have flown, certainly more so than a 767 and I detested everything about flying the 737. (Hate to tell you this, but while many disagree for some reason, the 727 and 737 were in a dead heat for years as my least favorite aircraft to fly.)

I personally have no interest in flying around just to do so, but if you are interested this sounds like a good trip to broaden your horizons, and you will find a DC-9 leg harder and harder to come by.

Have fun and let us know how it goes.
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:27 am

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
So do you guys think i'm crazy for doing this?

No. You are just a good part of the a.nutters now   Most of us have taken different flights or a connection to get on a new type of airplane   So you are in good company 

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:55 am

I see from your profile that you haven't been here very long! Stick your nose into the Trip Reports forum, you'll soon see that you really had no reason to ask your question in the first place!! Enjoy.   
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:11 am

Nope, you're not crazy! A lot of a.nutters are obsessed with the DC-9s and MD80s!

I for one had my first day trip last month and one of the reason that I flew was to fly on the 757! My next goal is to fly the 767, so I'll complete my Boeing List: 717, 727, 737, 747, 757 and 777. (The 787 isn't flying commercial yet so it doesn't count  )

and as a side note, my first flight was on a DC-9 

As for airbus, it's kinda hard to complete since the A300 and A310 is non-existent here in the US. But if we're talking about the "modern" Airbus A/C: I've flown the A319, A320, A321, A330, A340 and hopefully the A318 and A380 next year to semi-complete the list  
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:15 am

Of course not, I did the same thing on the only day trip I have ever taken back in 2008, flying from MSN-DTW-CMH and back. There is even a video trip report of it floating around somewhere deep in the TR forum. Enjoy them while they are still relatively accessible-you are already in good shape by sitting in the back for the full experience. Have a great trip!
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:24 am

I've done similar trips like that many times. My first 777 was part of a 4-flight itinerary that could have been 2, simply because I wanted to fly that 777!

I'm a big fan of domestic widebodies, and all throughout 2007 and 2010 when I worked for US and OO respectively, I tried (and never managed) to non-rev or get the time off to fly the one daily domestic UA 747 flight. I'll be trying again next time they put the 747 back on a domestic turn!
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:09 pm

I have flown on DC-9s more than any other type so I usually wouldn't go out of my way to fly one, but I would go out of my way to fly on something I haven't flown on before. As the DC-9s dwindle in number I have changed my travel schedule so I could fly on a DC-9, over an oh so boring A319.

Railroad buffs did the same thing in the 1950s; going all over the US searching for the last steam locomotives. They were at it again in early 1971 riding the last non Amtrak intercity passenger trains,
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:10 pm

Thanks for the support guys, glad to know i'm not as crazy as i thought!

When i'm on the plane i'll try to take some videos of the takeoffs and landings if the flight attendants don't give me flack about it.

One day i'd like to fly on the 747, but i'm still waiting for a flight less than $1000! If i ever need to go overseas i'll be sure to find a flight on the 747, but i know they'll be flying for many many more years so i'm in no rush! I live the BA livery of the 747.

I would literally give someone a months salary if they could get me on a 727. I've been tempted to call Fedex and ask if i could maybe "visit" their airplane here at PVD as it sits on the tarmac every Monday-Friday, but they don't exactly have a good record of letting people jumpseat... I've taken a picture of it from the terminal at PVD and posted it on wiki for TF Greene airport, i'd love to get closer to it...
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:40 pm

Make sure you get yourself a window seat in the 2nd-to-last row, or no more than a couple rows forward of that. Sitting so close to the engines on those things is a religious experience for an aviation nerd.

And no, you're absolutely not crazy. Kind of did the exact same thing recently, when I did MDW-DTW-BNA when I could have gone nonstop on WN... but DTW-BNA was a DC-9...and a -40 series at that, so I couldn't help myself.
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:54 pm

I did a DC-9 fun run myself, last month. I flew ATL-ORD, ORD-MSP, MSP-MKE, and MKE-ATL, one per day. I thoroughly enjoyed it. All flights went well, except the first one, which returned to the gate after pushback because the captain couldn't get the engines to start. He had to get an air cart to start them, then we were on our way.
Last summer, I did something similar, except I had three DC-9-30s and one DC-9-40.
Several years ago I did the same thing with 727s on Champion Air, and I've gone to Alaska just to fly on Reeve Electras and ERA Convair 580s. So I guess I'm crazier than you are.

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:59 pm

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?  

Yes. Definitely you are crazy !

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:15 pm

I think it's more of a challenge to find someone here who HASN'T ever flown a certain type just for fun 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:29 pm

Quoting L1011 (Reply 11):
I've gone to Alaska just to fly on Reeve Electras and ERA Convair 580s.

Ok now that is pure insanity!

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 13):
I think it's more of a challenge to find someone here who HASN'T ever flown a certain type just for fun 

...or departed at 5 am so they could connect to a 762 instead of a 734 down to Jamaica... Felt like crap but SO WORTH IT.
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:18 am

No, you're not crazy, although your friends and family will probably think you are. Get used to that!

There are a hardcore among us who, instead of just talking about the older aircraft types we want to fly on, actually go out there and do it. We plan and share ideas in the following thread: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2011 (by UK_Dispatcher Mar 11 2011 in Aviation Polls)

The DC-9 is a great aircraft to fly on. I have been to Africa twice just to fly on the last DC-9-10 series with East African Safari Air Express.

Check out my trip reports, as well as those from users like Loran & Plymspotter - and see some if the lengths we go to just to get on that elusive aircraft type!
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:09 am

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 10):
Make sure you get yourself a window seat in the 2nd-to-last row, or no more than a couple rows forward of that. Sitting so close to the engines on those things is a religious experience for an aviation nerd.

But make sure you are not sitting in the very last row, so you actually get a window seat and not a wall seat!

Although the DC-9 is very quiet up front, it isn't so quiet in the rear, so unless you want to enjoy ringing ears for hours after the flight, bring ear plugs! I have been seated in the last few rows on DC-9s on many occasions, so I can tell you this from experience!

Have fun.



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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:49 am

Nope, not crazy as I have done it myself (BWI-DTW-GRB-MSP-BWI). My own sanity may be in question however 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:01 am

I sat in row 23 on my last DC-9 flight, just ahead of the engine but behind the wing, for an excellent view. And I enjoyed the sound of the engines going rum rum rum rum rum on taxi out, something you just don't get to hear if you sit near the front.

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:04 am

Quoting lexkid12300, "we're seated in row 23 on the way down and 24 on the way back,"

lexkid12300, these are good seats, hopefully you have 23AB or 23EF and 24AB or 24EF, as they provide a great view of the ground, a good view of the wing--to watch the flaps, ailerons, and spoilers/speed brakes operate--and will give you a terrific JT8D experience, but whatever you do, do not change your seats to any rows further aft, i.e. row 25 or row 26. The view from row 25 is partially obscured by the engine, and there is no view at all from row 26 (the last row). Even rows 21 and 22 are good rows to experience all of the previously mentioned elements.

As others have said, I also recommend a good pair of ear plugs. Even though you want the JT8D experience, it is VERY loud in the back of the DC9 and even with ear plugs, you will experience the full effect of the engines. You can always take them out if you desire. However, I especially recommend a good pair of ear plugs for your girlfriend. Remember, she may be quite as enthusiastic about the whole DC9 experience as you and the volume of noise in the back of the DC9 can be a very negative experience to some folks.

Enjoy the trip. Remember, when flying aboard the DC9, you will be experience a part of aviation history.

Also quoting lexkid12300, "So do you guys think i'm crazy for doing this?"

No, not at all. I have done the same thing myself.

One last quote from lexkid12300, "should i at all be worried about flying on this DC-9?"

It is probably the safest, rugged, most reliable aircraft you could ever fly on.

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:43 am

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
So do you guys think i'm crazy for doing this? I'm leaving my local airport (PVD) 12:41pm and i'll be back home before midnight the same day.

No you are not crazy, and you even get to sleep in, if you are a serious a.netter you are supposed to be at the airport by 6:00am.  

In 2010 I flew to DTW for the main reason to get a flight in a DC9, which is a long way from Australia.

I have flown to New Zealand for a long weekend if only to get a flight on a Convair 580.
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:43 pm

Of course not, - from one who let three earlier inter island flights leave to ride on a DH7, this seems perfectly sane behaviour to me. However, wives or girlfriends tend to be less tolerant. Still remember a take off on a nearly empty Swissair DC9, went up like a rocket.
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:23 pm

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 5):
a side note, my first flight was on a DC-9

Same here.

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
I'm taking the girlfriend with me so i shouldn't get too bored, and we're seated in row 23 on the way down and 24 on the way back, right next to the beautiful JT8D's!

If your girlfriend's not a plane enthusiast/geek; she might not like the engine noise back there.

My last DC-9 flight on NW (a DC-9-40 that originally was a NC bird) a few years back was towards the rear on a DTW-PHL flight and although the plane was hushkitted, it still can get a bit loud.

Nonetheless, enjoy.

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:39 pm

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
So do you guys think i'm crazy for doing this?

Absolutely. I would never do this, mainly cuz I grew up flying on AC and SK DC-9's in the 80's and 90's as a kid. I've had my fair share of these old birds.  

Now...if it was an DC-8.....  
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:27 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (reply 22), "My last DC-9 flight on NW (a DC-9-40 that originally was a NC bird) . . ."

Chris, just as a point of clarification, and something you might find of interest for your records, if your last DC-9 flight was on a DC9-40 series, it would have been previously flown by Scandinavian Airline System (SAS).

North Central never actually flew any DC9-40 aircraft; the DC9-40s that Northwest flew were all acquired after 1986 (after the North Central merger) and were acquired directly from SAS in 1991.

They were all DC9-41 series and Northwest operated a total of 12 of them.

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:39 pm

Not crazy at all. I booked a flight to JFK instead of IAD even though I need to go to Washington, DC just to be on LH's A380.
 
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Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:25 pm

Me and my friend did ATL-MEM-GTR-ATL just to fly the Saab. I've also flown TVC-DTW-DCA-MEM-ATL instead of just TVC-ATL! You and I aren't crazy, everyone else is, just remember that  
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:37 am

Ah yes, my girlfriend and i will be in 23E and 23F on the first DC9 leg and 24E and 24F on the second DC9 leg. It's coming up so soon! 3 more days!!

On the first leg of the trip we'll be on a CRJ but i couldn't get 2 seats next to each other... If i look at the "available seats" for that flight, all of the light gray "available" seats are gone, but there are a few blue "preferred" seats on there. I called Delta but they said we couldn't use those, but MAYBE the day of they'd let us take those so we can sit together.

I just can't wait to see the DC9! I'm gonna buy some earplugs in case it's too loud in the back, and we've got our iPods so those might help too  

This is definitely going to be a trip i will NEVER forget!
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:05 pm

You're not crazy. People wonder why I've taken to flying ROC-NYC via DTW... the first two times I got a -50 and a -40 on the DTW-NYC legs. Back in September I did a daytrip to Newark just to take the -30 as it was the last scheduled flight. That was fun. Since then I go through DTW to get a 737-800 with PTVs.

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
I'm leaving my local airport (PVD) 12:41pm and i'll be back home before midnight the same day.

When I did my trip in September it was pretty much the same situation; since it was Labor Day I took an early afternoon departure and I was back at school just before midnight.

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
I am however disappointed about having to fly on the CRJ700 and A319... Are either of these airplanes "exciting" to fly on?

I'd say the A319 is nothing to be too excited about... think of a 737-700 but a litle wider and with smaller windows. The CRJ-700 might be fun if you're okay with smaller aircraft; I don't mind flying on CRJs.

Quoting lexkid12300 (Reply 27):
Ah yes, my girlfriend and i will be in 23E and 23F on the first DC9 leg and 24E and 24F on the second DC9 leg. It's coming up so soon! 3 more days!!

You might not want to be too far back... I was in (or just behind) the exit rows on my DC-9 flights and that was loud enough. Plus it's worth being able to see out the window. DC-9s and MD-88s have big windows  
Quoting lexkid12300 (Reply 27):
On the first leg of the trip we'll be on a CRJ but i couldn't get 2 seats next to each other... If i look at the "available seats" for that flight, all of the light gray "available" seats are gone, but there are a few blue "preferred" seats on there. I called Delta but they said we couldn't use those, but MAYBE the day of they'd let us take those so we can sit together.

Try to get to the airport early and ask at the gate. Or if you have Twitter ask @DeltaAssist if they can do anything; they're almost always able to help me out.

Enjoy your trip!!

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:22 am

Certainly not crazy, I am planning a similar trip just to catch the DC-9-50 whilst I'm in the US next month. Also thank you to everyone posting tips about which windows to sit in, that has answered pretty much all of my questions.   


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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:36 am

I did a similar daytrip in the US last year just to get on the DC9. I was able to get 2 D95 flights - I highly recommend rows 21 or 22 for the best experience. Beyond that your view gets obscured by the engine.

Here's some vids I took (from seat 21A)

Takeoff from DTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inPpBkKyYQg

Landing at BWI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Qj-0wcnII

Enjoy your trip!  
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:34 pm

Hey guys, just thought i'd tell you how the trip went! Basically a series of disasters followed by some serious LUCK.

My schedule was supposed to be as follows:
12:41pm: Leave my home airport (PVD) for DTW on flight DL4951 with the CRJ-700
2:47pm: Arrive at DTW.
....Explore DTW for 1 hour and 15 minutes.
4:02pm: Leave DTW for BWI on flight DL1637 with the DC-9.
5:45pm: Arrive at BWI.
....Explore BWI for 1 hour.
6:45pm: Leave BWI for DTW on flight DL1637 with the DC-9 (same plane and FL# as previous leg).
8:32pm: Arrive at DTW.
....Have dinner and explore at DTW for 1 hour and 30 minutes.
10:01pm: Leave DTW for PVD on flight DL1931 with the A319.
11:54pm: Arrive home at PVD.

Before i left RI i checked the weather for DTW and BWI and everything looked good. The flight from PVD to DTW was on time, however the trip was uncomfortable. The CRJ is SO SMALL! And does anyone else notice there's NO such thing as a window seat on the DL CRJ-700's?? NO ONE has a window seat, as the windows are too forward of the seat position. You have to bend over beyond the limits of the seatbelt to see outside! And it looked the same for every coach seat. I was in seat 14A. Definitely not an enjoyable experience.

When we got to DTW we were able to navigate to the next gate very easily, and we passed a few DL 747's which i'd never seen in real life before, so that was pretty cool. I got some pics:



And we passed this really cool fountain! I'm a math major so i could really appreciate the perfect parabolas! This is definitely my favorite picture ever, my #1 favorite thing behind my #2 favorite thing; airplanes and math!



Then we got back to the gate a good half hour before departure, maybe around 3:30pm. I took this pic of the DC-9 we took, N777NC. The glass had some weird black dots on it, hence the checkered appearance.



We boarded the airplane on time, however right before we were supposed to push back the captain came on and told us there was bad weather in BWI and that there was a ground stop in effect! He told us to de-board and that we'd leave around 5 (an hour late).

At this point I was like, "SH!t" as our connecting flight would leave BWI at 6:45, only an hour after this plane was supposed to land. But I asked the gate agent and she said the flight I would take from BWI back to DTW would also be late since it was using the same airplane. So I figured we'd make up the time just as long as we'd get back to DTW before our last flight home at 10pm.

Well, we didn't end up leaving the ground at DTW until 6:18pm!!! That was 2 hours late. We got to the gate at BWI after 7:30, and the next leg was scheduled to take off at 8:08pm, which was supposed to arrive at the gate at DTW before 9:30pm (only 30 minutes before our last flight left at 10pm). Well, we didn't board until 8:20 and at that time we were told we'd land at DTW for 9:36. So we stayed on the plane.

However about 2 minutes into the taxi I heard the engines turn off. Guess what!!?? Another delay! Apparently every plane at BWI was ordered to hold because of weather. So I realized at this point we were going to be stuck as we could never make it to DTW before our flight at 10pm. I asked the flight attendant if we could get off the plane there at BWI but she said since we had already left the gate it wouldn't be possible, and that they'd have to be delayed 3 HOURS before they'd let us off. She did say however that the crew would be taking their own flight from DTW to BOS (which is about an hours drive from my home) and that they'd let us take it! So I felt a little better… but not really. And so we waited on the tarmac with the engines off and no AC, people taking off layers of clothing as it continued to get hotter and hotter.

The plane didn't end up powering back on and leaving BWI until 9:06pm, so I knew at that point that we'd never make our 10pm flight. I checked on Delta's site and the 10pm flight was on time.

Just before the flight landed at DTW, (on my phone) I checked Delta's website and noticed that last flight home scheduled to take off at 10pm was now scheduled to take off at 10:20! I then checked flightaware and it indicated that it was scheduled to take off at 10:40pm!! I had no idea what to think…

We got to the gate at DTW at around 10:30pm (damn, what a freakin LONG taxi!), and I shoved my way around everyone and RAN down the terminal to see if my flight to PVD was indeed late as flightaware had indicated, and guess what? IT WAS! Apparently there was a hydraulic leak, which delayed the flight. The flight ended up leaving DTW for PVD at 11:36pm and arrived back here at PVD at 1am. Better late than never I suppose. And yes, we did experience the "barking dog" sound, very prominent during taxi and takeoff. But we did enjoy the massive size of the fuselage (compared to the CRJ and DC9 it was like a cruise ship).

So this trip definitely didn't go as expected, and I didn't really get to enjoy the DC-9. From the moment we heard the flight from DTW to BWI was delayed, everything was stressful. I didn't go 5 minutes without contemplating how in the world we were going to get home if we couldn't make that 10pm flight back. The Delta people were MISERABLE and useless. They kept saying the flights would leave at a certain time, but then it changed and changed again. Heck, when we actually boarded the flight from BWI to DTW at 8:20pm the screens above still said we'd board at 8:08! And when we arrived at PVD earlier before our first leg, I went to the Delta kiosk to see if we'd get seats together and there wasn't a Delta worker around! I turned around at the Southwest Airlines desk and there were TWO workers there. Go figure…

On the first leg of the DC9 flight we sat in row 23, which I thought was amazing. On the second we were in 24, which wasn't as enjoyable. MAN THOSE ENGINES ARE REALLY LOUD!! I noted all of your warnings about how loud they were, but I didn't imagine they'd be THAT loud. How in gods name they used to call the 727 (which uses THREE of the same engines) the WHISPERJET, I'll never know. These engines didn't whisper in the least! However the note the engines make is "unmistakable". It truly was amazing to sit next to those things, knowing they were designed in the early 60's.

Another thing I noted was how long the takeoff roll was in the DC9, compared to even the A319. It's funny to think the DC9 was designed specifically to takeoff on shorter runways, yet here's this bigger airplane (the A319) with massive engine pods under the wings taking off in such a shorter distance. Pretty neat to think about!

So yes, I didn't end up getting any more pictures or videos of the DC9 as I wanted to. I was too stressed out to appreciate it. It took a lot of persuading to get my girlfriend to go with me in the first place, and I felt bad once we had all the delays… If it weren't for all the delays we would have been able to enjoy the flights way more. Who could have known the 10pm flight on the Airbus would have a mechanical problem delaying it enough so that we'd make it??

I know it isn't Delta's fault for all of the delays, but man, they could have handled it better…

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:38 pm

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Quoting lexkid12300 (Reply 31):
Hey guys, just thought i'd tell you how the trip went! Basically a series of disasters followed by some serious LUCK.

My schedule was supposed to be as follows:
12:41pm: Leave my home airport (PVD) for DTW on flight DL4951 with the CRJ-700
2:47pm: Arrive at DTW.
....Explore DTW for 1 hour and 15 minutes.
4:02pm: Leave DTW for BWI on flight DL1637 with the DC-9.
5:45pm: Arrive at BWI.
....Explore BWI for 1 hour.
6:45pm: Leave BWI for DTW on flight DL1637 with the DC-9 (same plane and FL# as previous leg).
8:32pm: Arrive at DTW.
....Have dinner and explore at DTW for 1 hour and 30 minutes.
10:01pm: Leave DTW for PVD on flight DL1931 with the A319.
11:54pm: Arrive home at PVD.

Before i left RI i checked the weather for DTW and BWI and everything looked good. The flight from PVD to DTW was on time, however the trip was uncomfortable. The CRJ is SO SMALL! And does anyone else notice there's NO such thing as a window seat on the DL CRJ-700's?? NO ONE has a window seat, as the windows are too forward of the seat position. You have to bend over beyond the limits of the seatbelt to see outside! And it looked the same for every coach seat. I was in seat 14A. Definitely not an enjoyable experience.

When we got to DTW we were able to navigate to the next gate very easily, and we passed a few DL 747's which i'd never seen in real life before, so that was pretty cool. I got some pics:



And we passed this really cool fountain! I'm a math major so i could really appreciate the perfect parabolas! This is definitely my favorite picture ever, my #1 favorite thing behind my #2 favorite thing; airplanes and math!



Then we got back to the gate a good half hour before departure, maybe around 3:30pm. I took this pic of the DC-9 we took, N777NC. The glass had some weird black dots on it, hence the checkered appearance.



We boarded the airplane on time, however right before we were supposed to push back the captain came on and told us there was bad weather in BWI and that there was a ground stop in effect! He told us to de-board and that we'd leave around 5 (an hour late).

At this point I was like, "SH!t" as our connecting flight would leave BWI at 6:45, only an hour after this plane was supposed to land. But I asked the gate agent and she said the flight I would take from BWI back to DTW would also be late since it was using the same airplane. So I figured we'd make up the time just as long as we'd get back to DTW before our last flight home at 10pm.

Well, we didn't end up leaving the ground at DTW until 6:18pm!!! That was 2 hours late. We got to the gate at BWI after 7:30, and the next leg was scheduled to take off at 8:08pm, which was supposed to arrive at the gate at DTW before 9:30pm (only 30 minutes before our last flight left at 10pm). Well, we didn't board until 8:20 and at that time we were told we'd land at DTW for 9:36. So we stayed on the plane.

However about 2 minutes into the taxi I heard the engines turn off. Guess what!!?? Another delay! Apparently every plane at BWI was ordered to hold because of weather. So I realized at this point we were going to be stuck as we could never make it to DTW before our flight at 10pm. I asked the flight attendant if we could get off the plane there at BWI but she said since we had already left the gate it wouldn't be possible, and that they'd have to be delayed 3 HOURS before they'd let us off. She did say however that the crew would be taking their own flight from DTW to BOS (which is about an hours drive from my home) and that they'd let us take it! So I felt a little better… but not really. And so we waited on the tarmac with the engines off and no AC, people taking off layers of clothing as it continued to get hotter and hotter.

The plane didn't end up powering back on and leaving BWI until 9:06pm, so I knew at that point that we'd never make our 10pm flight. I checked on Delta's site and the 10pm flight was on time.

Just before the flight landed at DTW, (on my phone) I checked Delta's website and noticed that last flight home scheduled to take off at 10pm was now scheduled to take off at 10:20! I then checked flightaware and it indicated that it was scheduled to take off at 10:40pm!! I had no idea what to think…

We got to the gate at DTW at around 10:30pm (damn, what a freakin LONG taxi!), and I shoved my way around everyone and RAN down the terminal to see if my flight to PVD was indeed late as flightaware had indicated, and guess what? IT WAS! Apparently there was a hydraulic leak, which delayed the flight. The flight ended up leaving DTW for PVD at 11:36pm and arrived back here at PVD at 1am. Better late than never I suppose. And yes, we did experience the "barking dog" sound, very prominent during taxi and takeoff. But we did enjoy the massive size of the fuselage (compared to the CRJ and DC9 it was like a cruise ship).

So this trip definitely didn't go as expected, and I didn't really get to enjoy the DC-9. From the moment we heard the flight from DTW to BWI was delayed, everything was stressful. I didn't go 5 minutes without contemplating how in the world we were going to get home if we couldn't make that 10pm flight back. The Delta people were MISERABLE and useless. They kept saying the flights would leave at a certain time, but then it changed and changed again. Heck, when we actually boarded the flight from BWI to DTW at 8:20pm the screens above still said we'd board at 8:08! And when we arrived at PVD earlier before our first leg, I went to the Delta kiosk to see if we'd get seats together and there wasn't a Delta worker around! I turned around at the Southwest Airlines desk and there were TWO workers there. Go figure…

On the first leg of the DC9 flight we sat in row 23, which I thought was amazing. On the second we were in 24, which wasn't as enjoyable. MAN THOSE ENGINES ARE REALLY LOUD!! I noted all of your warnings about how loud they were, but I didn't imagine they'd be THAT loud. How in gods name they used to call the 727 (which uses THREE of the same engines) the WHISPERJET, I'll never know. These engines didn't whisper in the least! However the note the engines make is "unmistakable". It truly was amazing to sit next to those things, knowing they were designed in the early 60's.

Another thing I noted was how long the takeoff roll was in the DC9, compared to even the A319. It's funny to think the DC9 was designed specifically to takeoff on shorter runways, yet here's this bigger airplane (the A319) with massive engine pods under the wings taking off in such a shorter distance. Pretty neat to think about!

So yes, I didn't end up getting any more pictures or videos of the DC9 as I wanted to. I was too stressed out to appreciate it. It took a lot of persuading to get my girlfriend to go with me in the first place, and I felt bad once we had all the delays… If it weren't for all the delays we would have been able to enjoy the flights way more. Who could have known the 10pm flight on the Airbus would have a mechanical problem delaying it enough so that we'd make it??

I know it isn't Delta's fault for all of the delays, but man, they could have handled it better…

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:08 pm

Quoting e38 (Reply 24):
something you might find of interest for your records, if your last DC-9 flight was on a DC9-40 series, it would have been previously flown by Scandinavian Airline System (SAS).

My bad on the -40; it was more likely a DC-9-50. I only say that because it did seem longer than the DC-9-30s that I flew on in the past. However, I DO know that it was indeed a former NC bird because I remember seeing the NC ending on its reg number.

Quoting lexkid12300 (Reply 31):
How in gods name they used to call the 727 (which uses THREE of the same engines) the WHISPERJET, I'll never know.

EA used to call their DC-9s that as well. From my understanding, that term only applied to those sitting towards the front.

Back in my early days of spotting near BOS in the 70s (my parents would take my brother and I out to a spot to see the 22L landings); everytime a DC-9 or 727 flew overhead, we'd have to cover our ears. Whenever an EA T-tail w/Whisperjet titles would fly overhead; my brother and I would say, "More like LOUDjet!"   
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:29 pm

lexkid12300, I'm sorry your trip did not go quite as planned and was not as enjoyable as you expected, but your report brings up several questions and comments.

First, if you plan an itinerary such as this--especially if it is as "aggressive" as you planned, a one day trip--try to have a "contingency" plan in your back pocket, i.e., what will you do if you get stuck in Detroit or Baltimore, or, will everything be OK if you don't get back home when you planned--a job, or school, or other commitments. I think this would have been much more enjoyable had you had a back-up plan in place. Keep in mind, when it comes to airplanes and travel, there are so many variables in place--maintenance, weather, crew issues, air traffic control, fuelers, caterers, and so forth, a trip going exactly as planned is rare. Be flexible, if possible. Keep in mind, it is an adventure.

and some of your comments,

"we waited on the tarmac with the engines off and no AC . . ."

I'm not questioning what you experienced, but I don't actually think that is true. I cannot imagine the crew shutting down both engines unless there was either APU air available or external air conditioning available. Granted, it may not have been much airflow with both engines shut down, but I feel certain there had to be some air circulation available. Had the APU been inoperative, they would have gone back to a gate and hooked up external air.

"The Delta people were MISERABLE and useless."

Why would you make a comment such as this? Could you be more specific? What exactly did the Delta employees do to you that you would consider them miserable and useless? That's pretty strong language.

"I went to the Delta kiosk to see if we'd get seats together and there wasn't a Delta worker around!"

Honest? I have never been to the check-in area of any airline (ticket counter/gate) during normal duty hours and not found someone available. Were you at the Delta ticket counter at Providence? Did you gently tap on the counter or ring a bell or politely call toward the office behind the counter for someone to assist you? It doesn't make sense for an airline not to have anyone at all available to help customers during normal hours, particularly if there was a flight departing in the next hour or so. Who was checking luggage for passengers at the ticket counter?

Finally, "I know it isn't Delta's fault for all of the delays, but man, they could have handled it better…"

What would you have had them do?

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:46 pm

Well your not nuts for one, and the DC-9 is a perfectly safe aircraft. I will attempt to get on one in Sept when I go to DC for 3 days.
Sorry to hear about the issues with your flight. I just had my issues the other day.. as well  

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:35 am

Well, we've planned a second trip! It's been bothering me since the night we got back, how much i couldn't enjoy the DC9 with everything that happened. All i think about is the DC-9 and those damn JT8D's!

We're leaving Aug 16th, same routes, just this time we've built in some redundancies. We're leaving PVD at 7AM on a CRJ, arriving at DTW for 9:14am. Then boarding a DC9 at 10:13 from BWI, arriving at 11:55am at DTW. Then staying on the same DC9, (same flight number as well) leaving BWI at 12:30pm arriving at DTW at 2:08pm. That way, we follow the DC9; if it's late, it's OK.

Then our return flight from DTW to PVD is on an A319 at 5:45pm. That gives us almost 4 hours at DTW in case the DC9 gets delayed somewhere along the line. And if the first flight of the day from PVD to DTW is going to be delayed, well, we simply won't get on it. But, we'd have an hour to play with; so the odds are good!

e38, i could have been wrong about the crew shutting down "both" engines of the DC9 when we were grounded last time, but i know they shut down the engine on the right side. It got REALLY hot in that plane really quickly, and it was after 8pm so the sun wasn't even out. I do remember the pilot revving the left engine for a good minute or so before starting the right one. It sounded like it was at takeoff throttle (but we weren't moving). And i will say every Delta personnel i saw was indeed miserable. It was clear they were under stress, but it's not comforting to see your pilot fighting with a roll of papers before boarding the plane. He was fumbling through maybe 3ft of paper printouts (of maybe the weather?) at the kiosk at the gate, clearly frustrated; both in his mannerisms and in the look on his face. I totally understood his frustration, it just wasn't comforting to see it, especially out in the open in front of the passengers. The only Delta person who was in any way friendly was the flight attendant who offered for us to go on the crew's flight to BOS that night. It REALLY meant a lot that she'd offer that. But, it's all in the past and we're gonna try it again!

I'm REALLY excited this time, even more so than the last as now i know what to expect. And i'm really excited to have 4 hours or so to walk around DTW airport. There's SO much to see there! I wanna walk around the entire thing, go on the electric tram they've got in there, and see if i can find any other big jets like the 747 or 777. I was absolutely AMAZED at how much stuff they could fit in DTW. Coming from PVD airport, DTW is like its own city!!

And i think i've pretty much gone over the "crazy" line now. I can see doing this "day trip" thing once, but twice? Only a month apart? But i'm OK with it; we had Delta credit so it's not costing much either. There are a lot of worse/dangerous things someone could waste their time doing!  
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:21 am

Quoting lexkid12300 (Reply 31):
On the first leg of the DC9 flight we sat in row 23, which I thought was amazing. On the second we were in 24, which wasn't as enjoyable. MAN THOSE ENGINES ARE REALLY LOUD!! I noted all of your warnings about how loud they were, but I didn't imagine they'd be THAT loud. How in gods name they used to call the 727 (which uses THREE of the same engines) the WHISPERJET, I'll never know. These engines didn't whisper in the least! However the note the engines make is "unmistakable". It truly was amazing to sit next to those things, knowing they were designed in the early 60's.

I never found the Boeing 727 to be anywhere near as loud as a DC-9 when seated in the rear of the airplane. On Air Canada's B-727s, the aft galley and exit doors separated the engines from the last row. To experience the engines at their loudest, one would have to be inside one of the two aft lavatories (or the aisle between them), unfortunately off limits for passengers during take off. But even in flight, taking a seat in one of the aft lavatories, between the three engines, provides a chorus which is unique to the B-727.



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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:08 am

No you're not crazy. Do it before they're gone. I missed opportunities to fly on the Viscount, Caravelle, DC-6, Constellation, Martin 404 and Convair 880 and now the opportunity is gone forever. I wouldn't mind flying a Beech 18 tail dragger either. If you can try especially hard to find a series 10. (My 2 cents on that one.)
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:47 pm

lexkid12300, I hope this trip is more enjoyable for you than the previous trip. It looks like you have built in additional time to help absorb delays--good planning. However, I still stand behind the recommendations I made in my previous post (reply 34) to make this trip as stress-free as possible:

1. Try to clear your schedule for the following day (work, school, etc) just in case you have to overnight somewhere and don't make it home when you planned.

2. Have sufficient funds available so in case you have to spend the night in a hotel somewhere other than home, or need to buy additional meals, it won't be a financial hardship on you.

3. Carry a backpack with you with some snacks or other items in it that would make an overnight stay more comfortable.

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:54 pm

e38, good idea! We've both got the following 2 days clear of work and all other commitments back home so it's the best time to go. We're taking all precautions so we'll be sure to enjoy it this time around. I've already got my bag of salted peanuts (for some reason they don't serve these anymore?) and everything else we'll need to occupy our time! 

I truly thought my excitement to go on the DC-9 again would diminish, but sadly it hasn't! It seems every day i get more and more excited about it. It's a good thing i decided to book the day trip again! Both for the opportunity in our tight schedules and for the price, as pretty much all of the flights we could make for that week are either highly priced or don't have row 23 available on the DC-9. Row 23 was definitely my favorite seat on the DC-9!

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Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:39 pm

lexkid12300,

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:37 am

I am fortunete to be flying on the DC-9-50 still every week. I actually take an earlier flight on Monday mornings to get the 7am departure on the -9, instead of a CRJ at 10am, which would still get me to my clients in plenty of time.
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:49 am

Quoting lexkid12300 (Reply 40): "I've already got my bag of salted peanuts (for some reason they don't serve these anymore?)"

Yes, they do. Just ask the flight attendant.

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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:56 pm

Well this time the trip was a success!

I posted a thread in the trip reports section; see here: Delta Airlines DC-9 Trip PVD-DTW-BWI (by lexkid12300 Aug 18 2011 in Trip Reports)
 
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RE: Flying On A DC-9 Just For Fun- Am I Crazy?

Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:43 am

Hi:

I saw your trip report and it was very well done and wonderful to see Actually I was expecting to read your second try.

I have flown more than 30 times in Iberia DC-9-32, and I admit I got fed-up of it, but as time goes by, I realise how times changes my point of view, and I'm very glad to see the -51 is still around in USA and that young people like you that can appreciate to fly it.

I have an obsession with DC-8, (that's why my username), as I couldn't enjoy it too much; just flew the 52 when I was 4 and the 63 when I was 13, but I have no photos from that and I regret.

My advice; fly your mind 30 years, think of what will not be there by then, and catch it now (Photos, timetables, flight log, aircraft types that aren't gonna last, like 340, MD-11, etc.)

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