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787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:58 am

At the risk of being flamed or moderated I am putting this out there.



The first artists impressions of the 787 showed a great looking Aircraft, with a very sleek nose shape.




Since the redesign, which I understand was necessary for visibility purposes imho the nose is way too 'blunt'




It spoils the look of an otherwise great looking Aircraft.



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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:01 am

Yeah, it's not a looker. It's not the nose that kills it for me, though, it's the way the fuselage just looks stubby. I'm thinking the -9 version will look better.

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:02 am

I would call its appearance. from the side, average. JAT - just another twin. From below, the rather long and bended wings might make it looking good waiting to judge real life.. So maybe it can reach the same level of beauty the 764 and 77W have.
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:12 am

Like the A380, it has some great angles.. some not so flattering.

I saw this picture on the front page a few days ago and thought the 787 looked stunning.  
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:20 am

If the nose / radome, was 'pulled out' another 10 feet or so it would look so much better.


The nose just looks 'cut off' to me.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:21 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):

If the nose / radome, was 'pulled out' another 10 feet or so it would look so much better.

Maybe I am imagining what you are saying wrong.. but to me that would just make it look more like a 767.  

I think it's quite beautiful and reminds me of the Caravelle, which was a stunner.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:27 am

Quoting KPDX (Reply 5):

Maybe I am imagining what you are saying wrong.. but to me that would just make it look more like a 767.

I think it's quite beautiful and reminds me of the Caravelle, which was a stunner.

Thing is, the Caravelle was much 'slimmer'



the 787's significantly wider body needs gentle tapering at both ends to prevent if from looking 'stubby' which it certainly is.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:35 am

Maybe it is not the best looking airplane out there due to its nose, but good looking is always very different from person to person. The different nose makes it somewhat special and easy to spot.

Here some great angles where she just looks gorgeous:


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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:00 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 7):
Maybe it is not the best looking airplane out there due to its nose, but good looking is always very different from person to person. The different nose makes it somewhat special and easy to spot.

Here some great angles where she just looks gorgeous:



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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:07 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 6):
Thing is, the Caravelle was much 'slimmer'

The -9 and potential -10 models will both look 'slimmer' so should be prettier... IMO it's pretty stunning as it is - doesn't have an ugly frown like the A330 nor the dopey eyes of the 767 or the long forehead of the 777...
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:08 am

I think the landing gears are too short (a la 737) otherwise, as stated, the 787 looks like every other WB twinjet

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:08 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 7):

Here some great angles where she just looks gorgeous:

The wings are certainly a killer, but the same can be said of the A380.

Other than that, yeah... just like the A380, the 787 sure doesn't fit my definition of beauty. For a while I thought they just need some time to grow on you, but I'm starting to doubt that. Thankfully, there's still the 747-8i to make a visually appealing "new" aircraft...
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:17 am

What?? 787 is ugly??? Hell NO!!! It's one of the most beautiful aircraft out there. It may appear a little stubby, but in no way it is ugly.

If you want ugly, take a look at the 747 or A380. Now those are ugly planes.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:19 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 12):
If you want ugly, take a look at the 747

What? Oh my god, I couldn't disagree more here. The 747 is for me so beautiful.

But let's stick to the topic. The lovely 787...

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:09 am

Apart from the wings a boring design.

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:15 am

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me 747 is beautiful, the A380 is beautiful, the 787 is beautiful, hell TU154 is very beautiful. I mean to call 787 ugly is like calling your wife ugly 'cause she gained a few extra pounds.

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:18 am

Brave thread!

There's rarely such a thing as an ugly aircraft. The aerodynamic requirements generally prompt something beautiful, however I am disappointed with the final look of the 787-8 as it appears more like an overweight 767 with a weird nose and some stunning wings - but it's always going to be function over form. Fingers crossed that the stretched variants look a little more graceful.

The A340-500/600 wins for me every time.
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:24 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
The -9 and potential -10 models will both look 'slimmer' so should be prettier

No doubt they will.  .

Quoting Rara (Reply 11):
The wings are certainly a killer, but the same can be said of the A380.

So true, the wings on both these new airliners have a high flex rate which you can see very good if the planes touch-down and the wings "sink into the rest position".  .

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 13):
But let's stick to the topic. The lovely 787...

I personally think she is quite a looker. Not as elegant yet as the A330 maybe, but the longer versions could very well be just as nice looking imho, and might even be better looking.

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:28 am

Quoting solnabo (Reply 10):


I think the landing gears are too short (a la 737) otherwise, as stated, the 787 looks like every other WB twinjet

Agree, the landing gear does look too short.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 12):




What?? 787 is ugly??? Hell NO!!! It's one of the most beautiful aircraft out there. It may appear a little stubby, but in no way it is ugly.

If you want ugly, take a look at the 747 or A380. Now those are ugly planes.

Well , to each his own, i think the 747, particularly the classic is, perhaps the best looking subsonic Airliner ever made.



The A380 has to be the ugliest.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:36 am

Man I remember when the 787 had the original 7E7 images going and I was just like man that's gonna be awesome!



Oh well, I still like the 787 as it is now but if it looked like that ^ whoa!
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:00 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
or the long forehead of the 777...

That's one of the many pretty things of the Triple 7!

Quoting DM (Reply 19):
Man I remember when the 787 had the original 7E7 images going and I was just like man that's gonna be awesome!




Oh well, I still like the 787 as it is now but if it looked like that ^ whoa!

Hell that nose is even uglier than now! But the rest is stunningly B-E-A-utiful!

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:22 am

Mods: How has this not been moved to polls/prefs? Pretty cut and dry candidate as far as I'm concerned.

The 787-8 won't be going down in history as the "looker" of the family, but it's definitely got it's angles and insofar as I'm concerned (I live in Seattle with a nice view of westbound approaches to BFI), needs to be seen in flight to be fully appreciated. The 787-9 and (godwilling) 787-10 are going to be absolute stunners.
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:29 am

I wish the sharkfin tail would have been kept... but of course, a/c designers don't have looks as their overriding concern.

My favourite 2-holers looks-wise are probably the 767 and & A330. 777 is pleasing to the eye too. My overall favourite has to be the A345 though... proportionally she is pretty close to perfect.
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:09 am

The 787-8 hasn't really grown on me yet. Sure, the interior looks fantastic, but I'm just not so sure about its exterior. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "ugly", but perhaps the 787-9 will look better. To me, it's not the nose that spoils it, but the proportions - it just appears too short, and the large windows disguises the size of the aircraft quite well.

Best lookers? To my eyes, the 747-400 rules in terms of aesthetics, followed by the 747-8, 777-300ER, and A340-500. Maybe the 787-9 will make that list too.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:59 pm

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
The first artists impressions of the 787 showed a great looking Aircraft, with a very sleek nose shape.




Since the redesign, which I understand was necessary for visibility purposes imho the nose is way too 'blunt'




It spoils the look of an otherwise great looking Aircraft.

Kudos, Max Q for venturing into such risky terrain! I rarely get into these aesthetics threads as it really is a matter of personal preference, but I actually agree with you wholeheartedly on this one.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 6):
Quoting KPDX (Reply 5):

Maybe I am imagining what you are saying wrong.. but to me that would just make it look more like a 767.

I think it's quite beautiful and reminds me of the Caravelle, which was a stunner.

Thing is, the Caravelle was much 'slimmer'

The Caravelle had nicer (and slimmer) proportions to be sure. It's no Caravelle, but at least it's no 767 either.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 5):
I am imagining what you are saying wrong.. but to me that would just make it look more like a 767.

I don't know if that would be right; the 767 is somewhat blunt too, though not as squashed looking as the 787.

Quoting Rara (Reply 11):
Other than that, yeah... just like the A380, the 787 sure doesn't fit my definition of beauty. For a while I thought they just need some time to grow on you, but I'm starting to doubt that.

I thought the same thing, especially after seeing the original PR impressions of the aircraft; now I'm convinced it's aesthetically just another dumpy Boeing like the 762 or pretty much any 737.

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 16):
Brave thread!

REALLY brave!

Quoting UpperDeck (Reply 16):
There's rarely such a thing as an ugly aircraft. The aerodynamic requirements generally prompt something beautiful, however I am disappointed with the final look of the 787-8 as it appears more like an overweight 767 with a weird nose and some stunning wings - but it's always going to be function over form.

You are absolutely right: there is no doubt the 787 will do its mission well, but it's mission is functional, it's not a piece of art, it's a people-mover.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 17):
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 13):
But let's stick to the topic. The lovely 787...

I personally think she is quite a looker. Not as elegant yet as the A330 maybe, but the longer versions could very well be just as nice looking imho, and might even be better looking.

I agree and disagree with you EPA. I agree the 787 will never be as elegant as an A-330 (or a long-bodied Tristar!) and I do think the longer versions will be more aesthetically proportional. I don't agree that in the present form that the 787 is a "looker." Just personal preference.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 18):
Well , to each his own, i think the 747, particularly the classic is, perhaps the best looking subsonic Airliner ever made.

Sorry, L-1011 has to win for me. I've never found the 747 attractive, even when I was young and in awe of the size of the thing.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 18):
The A380 has to be the ugliest.

I actually think the 737 is the ugliest (the shorter the fuselage, the uglier,) but I do agree with you that the A-380 is not the belle of the ball, and is certainly the ugliest Airbus.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 23):
The 787-8 hasn't really grown on me yet. Sure, the interior looks fantastic, but I'm just not so sure about its exterior. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "ugly", but perhaps the 787-9 will look better. To me, it's not the nose that spoils it, but the proportions - it just appears too short, and the large windows disguises the size of the aircraft quite well.

That pretty well sums up the 787's offenses against the art world!  
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Best lookers?

L-1011 followed by A-330.
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 23):
Best lookers?

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 23):
Best lookers? To my eyes, the 747-400 rules in terms of aesthetics, followed by the 747-8, 777-300ER, and A340-500. Maybe the 787-9 will make that list too.

748i is about as good as it gets in my mind. The new wings, larger engines and longer upper deck all improve on what was already a stunner.

I'd follow it very closely with the 77L (there's something about a 777 landing that makes me think of an eagle swooping in for the kill), then the 330 (which is lovely from pretty much any angle).

I think the 789 or 10 will probably catch the 330. I agree; the 788 is a tad short. Love the nose and the wings when that flex gets going are the best looking in the sky.
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:37 pm

My opinion? I think it looks like a banana.

Seriously, it is a stunning aircraft! But the shape of the fuselage always makes me think of a banana if it were straightened out. Just picture it.  


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RE: 787 Ugly?

Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:37 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 24):

Sorry, L-1011 has to win for me. I've never found the 747 attractive, even when I was young and in awe of the size of the thing.

The L1011 is definitely a close second, the Tristar was and is a beautiful Aircraft.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 24):

I actually think the 737 is the ugliest (the shorter the fuselage, the uglier,) but I do agree with you that the A-380 is not the belle of the ball, and is certainly the ugliest Airbus.

Yes the 737 is not a great looker, i actually like the look of the -200 series with the polished engine nacelles I think it looked great and very 'in proportion'
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:02 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 24):
I actually think the 737 is the ugliest (the shorter the fuselage, the uglier,)

From a certain angle (as you're looking up at it while it's overhead, especially in a turn), I think the 73G kinda looks like a baby A330. At any rate, I'd say it's not as goofy as the A320 family, and not nearly as goofy as the A380. But the plane that's on trial is the 787, and I'll add the current iteration to the "goofy-looking" list. Even though I would also agree with this:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 7):
Here some great angles where she just looks gorgeous

...I'm going to hold it back because it needs the angle.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:18 am

The 748F with the shorter upper deck is particularly good looking.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:41 am

I like the look of the 787. But I'm actually waiting for the 787-9 because, I thing, the longer fuselage will make it an even more beautiful plane. Apart from that, my favorites are:

the 380: not necessarily beautiful but a magnificent piece of engineering

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:56 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 28):
Yes the 737 is not a great looker, i actually like the look of the -200 series with the polished engine nacelles I think it looked great and very 'in proportion'

The 737 from a front-facing view reminds me very much of the red bird from the "Angry Birds" game. It's the plane that most resembles a true bird to me...the radome just screams "beak" and the angle of the cockpit windshield says "angry brow"
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:42 am

Quoting HorizonGirl (Reply 27):
I think it looks like a banana.

Didn't see it before, but now I do.

And the more I look at it, the more the nose just irks me. It's interesting that for all the complaining about how the A380's nose looks bad, the 787's nose ended up being exactly the same shape.

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RE: 787 Ugly?

Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:56 pm

It's not exactly pretty as a picture. As mentioned before it just looks like any other twin jet.

There is something about the front of it that reminds me of the Comet...which is extremely old. As long as it does its job, who cares what it looks like.

PS: Why isn't this in the Civil Aviation forum just like an Airbus thread on the same topic would be?
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:48 am

pretty I would not say, it is certainly unique with that nose and those wings...wow, they are something!
Ugly, heck no.....aerodynamics not withstanding, the only thing I would change is the nose, just cannot quite get used to it...yet...but as my a.net name implies, I do like it for sure!!!
 
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:48 am

Quoting Babybus (Reply 34):

PS: Why isn't this in the Civil Aviation forum just like an Airbus thread on the same topic would be?

It was, it was moved here.
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RE: 787 Ugly?

Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:09 am

I'm by no means a Boeing Fan Boy and I will admit that I do prefer Airbus over most Boeings in regards to looks and comfort, but I will admit that the 757/767 are two of my favourite aircraft and the 747 is, well, the 747 and is by far one of the most beautiful jetliners to grace our skies. The 777 though, sorry is by far the ugliest most boring jetliner in my books, especially the 773 ....     

As for the 787, when the concepts first came out, I really liked it, especially the horizontal stabilizer but when the final design came out and I saw the first pictures, I was quite dissapointed to be honest ... it just looked awful. Fortunatly, I was down in SEA back in March and did the Boeing Factory tour (first time since the 90s) and to have seen the 787 in person is completely different then the pictures ... the pictures just don't do her any justice, it truly is a wonderful looking aircraft, almost looks like a futuristic 762  
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