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Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:55 pm

Some people die at childberth, some live past 100.
It's the same with airplanes. Some live well past 100.......
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......and some have really short lifespans

Braniff 707-227, N7071, , & AF A330-300 are the only ones that were lost before delivery that I am aware of, Oh.....and this one......Ethiad A340-600



Any others?




And a few bit the dust shortly after delivery.

West Coast DC-9 N9104 within a week.

Lets not forget Eastern 401 operated by N310EA only 6 months after delivery.

Seem to remember 727-100s from United and Pan Am, but not sure on the details. BTW, the UA is not the SLC one I'm thinking about, but right there - that was less than 2 years old. Ditto an AA 727-100 that crashed approaching CVG. Both SLC and CVG crashed were 3 days apart, both aircraft less than 1-2(/) years old.

What about the Hughes Air West DC-9-30 (N9345) that collided with a fighter over California in 1971, how old was that aircraft?

2 AF birds: A320 that crashed during airshow in 1988. That had to be spankin' new Didn't they lose a brand new A340 in a hangar fire?

United DC-8 over Brooklyn?


What are some others? I used to have quite a list.

Lets define short as less than 2 years.
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:05 pm

Hadn't the G3 738 that had the midair with the Legacy in 2006 or so been delivered just a couple of weeks before that happened?
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:12 pm

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 1):
Hadn't the G3 738 that had the midair with the Legacy in 2006 or so been delivered just a couple of weeks before that happened?

Was this the collision in Brazil? In that case, I believe the bizjet was on its delivery flight.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:23 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 2):
Was this the collision in Brazil?

Yes and yes - but I think the 738 was quite new as well.
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:34 pm

Global 5000 C-GXPR (Tim Horton's) crashed with less than 100 hrs on her.

[Edited 2011-09-01 16:35:25]
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:34 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 2):
I believe the bizjet was on its delivery flight.

The Legacy was not lost...
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:41 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
The Legacy was not lost...

Indeed, it's still flying, isn't it?
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:45 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Lets not forget Eastern 401 operated by N310EA only 6 months after delivery.


Aug 18 to Dec 29, 1972.

Four months eleven days.

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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:11 am

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 6):
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
The Legacy was not lost...

Indeed, it's still flying, isn't it?

Recent news item said it was for sale after finally being repaired. Although the aircraft is about 5 years old it only had about 30 flying hours.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:19 am

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 3):
Yes and yes - but I think the 738 was quite new as well.

202 flight hours - 162 cycles. Very new.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Recent news item said it was for sale after finally being repaired. Although the aircraft is about 5 years old it only had about 30 flying hours.

It has been recovered and flown to Cleveland for further work.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:31 am

The 2 I know of CV-880 N8804E Delivered to Delta 6 May 1960 and crashed on a training flight 23 May 1960 and DC-6B N91303 Delivered to Western 10 Dec 1952 and crashed 20 Apr 1953.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:59 am

A few years ago (1938) but the web site below describes a Lockheed Super Electra (Model 14) s/n 1439 that crashed on its delivery flight.

http://www.qent.com/~carcomm/wreck17.htm
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:35 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
United DC-8 over Brooklyn?

It was just under a year old at the time of that December 16, 1960 accident. Delivered December 22, 1959. That mid-air collision with the TWA L-1049 was the first DC-8 crash.

A month later, January 19, 1961, AM (then known as Aeronaves de Mexico) lost a DC-8-21 in an aborted takeoff crash and fire at JFK (then IDL) with 4 fatalities (of 106 aboard). That aircraft was less than 3 months old. Delivered to Eastern October 28, 1960 and leased to AM.

On May 30, 1961, the 3rd DC-8 loss involved a KLM DC-8-53 being operated for VIASA. It crashed into the Atlantic, killing all 61 aboard, on the LIS-SMA sector of a FCO-MAD-LIS-SMA-CCS flight. That aircrrat was only a month old, delivered May 1, 1961, with 209 hours.

On July 7, 1962, an AZ DC-8-43 crashed approaching BOM due to a navigation error, killing all 94 aboard. The aircraft was less than 4 months old, delivered March 24, 1962.

The AC (then TCA) DC-8-54F combi that crashed shortly after takeoff from YUL on November 29, 1963, killing all 118 aboard, was 9 months old.

The Canadian Pacific DC-8-43 that crashed on landing at HND on March 4, 1966, killing 64 of the 72 aboard, was less than 5 months old.

AC lost a DC-8-63 at YYZ on July 5, 1970, killing all 109 aboard. It was only a little over 2 months old, delivered April 30, 1970, with just 453 hours.

AA lost a 3-month old 707-123 on a training flight near NYC on August 15, 1959, killing the 5 crew.

A 4-month old AF 707-328 crashed approaching PTP in poor weather on June 22, 1962, killing all 119 aboard. That was their 2nd fatal 707 crash in 3 weeks and their 3rd 707 loss in 11 molnths. Another 707-328 had crashed just after takeoff from ORY on February 3, 1962, killing 130 of the 132 aboard (that aircraft was just under 2 years old). They lostt another 707-328 in a non-fatal aborted takeoff accident at HAM on July 27, 1961 (that aircraft also about 2 years old)..

LH lost a 7-month old 720B on a training flight in December 1961, killing the crew.

The first 727 loss, a UA 727-100 that crashed into Lake Michigan approaching ORD on August 16, 1965, killing all 30 aboard, was 3 months old, delivered May 18, 1965.

The next 727 crash, an AA 727-100 approaching CVG on November 8, 1965, killing 58 of the 62 aboard, was a 5 month old aircraft.

The third 727 to crash, another UA 727-100 approaching SLC on November 11, 1965 (3 days after the AA crash), with 43 fatalities of 91 aboard, was 9 months old.

And the fourth 727 lost, an NH 727-100 that crashed into Tokyo Bay approaching HND on February 4, 1966, killing all 133 aboard, was 11 months old.

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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:39 am

Skywest Metro N2721M crash on Jan 15, 1990 at Elko, was less than 2 yrs old

http://www.aircraftone.com/aircraft/accidents/20001212X22403.asp
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:18 am

How about the Comet 1 aircraft? Didn't Canadian Pacific loose one on delivery....casing them to cancel their order? The others that crashed could not have had more than a year each of flight time.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:30 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Witness (cough)

Or:


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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:32 pm

G-OBME, BD 737-400.


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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:21 pm

Quoting CairnterriAIR (Reply 14):
How about the Comet 1 aircraft? Didn't Canadian Pacific loose one on delivery....causing them to cancel their order?

Yes, March 3, 1953 on takeoff at KHI on the delivery flight.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:26 pm

As far as I know, the Afriqiyah A330 that crashed in 2010 was very new when it crashed. I think that it was just about a year old then.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Canadian Pacific Comet I CF-CUN did not even enter into service as it crashed on take off from KHI during its delivery flight to Australia on March 3rd 1953 ...

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
......and some have really short lifespans

Braniff 707-227, N7071, , & AF A330-300 are the only ones that were lost before delivery

AF never ordered or operated any A330-300.

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
2 AF birds: A320 that crashed during airshow in 1988. That had to be spankin' new Didn't they lose a brand new A340 in a hangar fire?

The A320-100 F-GFKC was delivered to AF on June 23rd 1988. It crashed 3 days later on June 26h 1988.

The A340-200 F-GNIA, initially ordered by UTA, was delivered to AF in May 1993. It was destroyed by a fire in a hangar at CDG in January 1994.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:47 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):
AF never ordered or operated any A330-300.

My bad, I seem to remember a pre-delivery, all white A330-300 crashing or burning up or something.
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:16 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
My bad, I seem to remember a pre-delivery, all white A330-300 crashing or burning up or something.

In June 1994, an A330-300 crashed on take off from TLS during a test flight. It was F-WWKH (msn 042), operated by Airbus Industries.
The aircraft was due to be delivered to Malaysia Airlines.
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:35 pm

Didn't Air New Zealand lose a DC 8 in a training accident in Auckland?.
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:03 pm

Quoting ryan h (Reply 22):
Didn't Air New Zealand lose a DC 8 in a training accident in Auckland?.

Correct. The aircraft was less than a year old. That was in July 1966, a DC8-52 (ZK-NZB).
 
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RE: Aircraft That Had Short Lives

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:03 pm

This Swissair Convair 440 crashed at SNN on its delivery flight in 1956.
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