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Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:35 am

Hi all, looking for a bit of advice. I am planning a trip to the west coast of the USA / Canada next year and was looking for advice on which of the following options you would choose. I am looking for advice on meals, lounge, seat, cabin crew etc

AC 777 YVR-LHR / AC 330 YVR-LHR
UA 777 LAX-LHR
NZ 773 LAX-LHR
CO 752 LAX-DUB (VIA EWR)
UA 744 SFO-LHR
LH 330 SEA-FRA
SK 330 ORD-ARN

Thanks in advance
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:58 pm

The "Star" winner - NZ. New airplane, with renowned service by professional and friendly staff. You just can't beat the Kiwi style. Kia Ora!
In descending order possibly consider AC and LH, but NZ will clearly outshine all this other competition.
Good Luck with your planning. Let us know what you book.
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:24 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):

I would agree, but keep in mind, NZ has gone with a 3-4-3 configuration for their AKL-LAX-LHR route. But service wise, I would still rate them top.

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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:32 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
NZ has gone with a 3-4-3 configuration for their AKL-LAX-LHR route. But service wise, I would still rate them top.

It stands in the title that he is flying in J, so that doesn't metter I think
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:40 am

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The "Star" winner - NZ. New airplane, with renowned service by professional and friendly staff. You just can't beat the Kiwi style. Kia Ora!

As already mentioned, of all the carriers the original poster is considering, NZ is the only 777 operator with 10-abreast seating in Y class on their 77Ws. They would be my last choice in Y on a longhaul like LAX-LHR.

I would choose AC. Their 9-abreast 777s and 8-abreast A330s are much more comfortable than any 10-abreast 777, although my first preference on AC would be the 763 due to the 2-3-2 seating and very low chance of winding up in a middle seat. Unlike all the US carriers, alcoholic drinks are also free in Y class on AC. Their IFE system is also very good.
 
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:24 am

What class of service are you looking for?

Also you missed a few other nonstop options.
Such as LX to either SFO/LAX, UA SFO-FRA, LH to LAX or SFO from either FRA or MUC etc.

At the end of the are many dozen ways to get to the US West Coast on Star carriers.

If price is your primary concern that go with whatever happens to be the cheapest.
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:08 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
but keep in mind, NZ has gone with a 3-4-3 configuration for their AKL-LAX-LHR route
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
NZ is the only 777 operator with 10-abreast seating in Y class on their 77Ws. They would be my last choice in Y on a longhaul like LAX-LHR.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
What class of service are you looking for?

- Read the title people, he says J!

Of the listed choice I'd take NZ, last on the list would be UA.

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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:52 am

Hi thanks everyone for the advice. To confirm, I am flying J. Price isnt a real consideration as I intend to use miles to purchase the ticket.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Also you missed a few other nonstop options.
Such as LX to either SFO/LAX

I ruled this out as the ZRH-DUB (my final destination) flight leaves before these arrive into ZRH.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
LH to LAX or SFO from either FRA or MUC etc

Also ruled out as there is no MUC-DUB flights offered by Star carriers and I dont think much of LH as a carrier generally so I think these could be my last preference.

One option I didnt mention would be via JFK and use the new SQ 388 service to FRA but I know SQ arent easy to get mileage flights on
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:36 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 3):
It stands in the title that he is flying in J, so that doesn't metter I think

Oops, I just assumed Y, since that is what I usually fly  

In that case, I would definitely would choose NZ's new product, assuming the dates I want are available, and LAX-LHR is a good alternative (not too much of a detour).

Quoting EIRules (Reply 7):
One option I didnt mention would be via JFK and use the new SQ 388 service to FRA but I know SQ arent easy to get mileage flights on

Great product (have tried it LHR-SIN) on a great plane. But, would it be worth using the miles going all the way from the west coast when half of the flight is domestic (west coast-JFK)?

In this case, I would rather have the longer (ie LAX-LHR) in full International J-class product.

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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:37 pm

Ah OK J class -

Well then I would endorse both NZ and also the new United lie-flat premium product.

Have done about a dozen trips on UA since its introduction and its the best product in America, and quite competitive in a global setting.
I also always like LH for its efficiency and network, however the angled J class seats is beyond its prime so I'd pass on that.
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:20 pm

OP:

Are you purchasing or using miles? If miles, from which carrier.

If you have CO miles, you can use Virgin Atlantic as well. And if you are purchasing, you can purchase the VS flight as a CO codeshare, and earn EQM's.
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:48 am

Swiss via SFO by all means especially with the new Airbus!

Best Business Class service you will be able to find!!!


  
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:25 pm

Here's my order as comfort goes.


NZ 773 LAX-LHR Great service and seat. The best.
AC 777 YVR-LHR / AC 330 YVR-LHR Great seat and standard service levels.
UA 744 SFO-LHR Good seat (upper deck are really nice, but limited storage on main deck), ok service
UA 777 LAX-LHR Same as 747 (with IPTE), but not as good as upper deck
CO 752 LAX-DUB (VIA EWR) I'd avoid the long LAX-EWR flight on subpar seat and service compared to international standards, also EWR-DUB is short, so not much sleep
LH 330 SEA-FRA The seats are ok, but not horizontal, service is pretty standard in business
SK 330 ORD-ARN Seats are also not horizontal, service can be good or bad
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:50 pm

If not NZ, I would go for LX. just love their new J.
 
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:33 pm

Thanks to everyone for your advice. However it seems my choice has been made for me due to lack of availability. There are no Y reward seats available for the entire week of 20th March on NZ LAX-LHR, UA LAX-LHR, AC YVR-LHR, CO EWR-DUB or LX LAX-ZRH.

So think I will have to fly DUB-EWR CO and JFK-DUB (via FRA) with SQ
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 14):

Thanks to everyone for your advice. However it seems my choice has been made for me due to lack of availability. There are no Y reward seats available for the entire week of 20th March on NZ LAX-LHR, UA LAX-LHR, AC YVR-LHR, CO EWR-DUB or LX LAX-ZRH.

So think I will have to fly DUB-EWR CO and JFK-DUB (via FRA) with SQ

I just did a search on the CO site. Again, CO/VS is showing C award space. If you have UA miles, transfer them to CO and use it for the award.

UA has F award space IAD-LHR on the 21st.
AC has C award space YYZ-LHR on the 21st.
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:22 pm

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 15):
I just did a search on the CO site. Again, CO/VS is showing C award space. If you have UA miles, transfer them to CO and use it for the award.

UA has F award space IAD-LHR on the 21st.
AC has C award space YYZ-LHR on the 21st

I am using BD miles which rules out the first option. Dont have enough miles for F so that rules out option 2. And I am travelling from the west coast of US (SFO, LAX, SEA, YVR etc) so YYZ is no better than JFK and there is no availability on YVR-LHR
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:30 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 16):
I am using BD miles which rules out the first option. Dont have enough miles for F so that rules out option 2. And I am travelling from the west coast of US (SFO, LAX, SEA, YVR etc) so YYZ is no better than JFK and there is no availability on YVR-LHR

Ok, here's other options:

3/21
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR
AC is available in Y LAX-YYZ and C YYZ-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-FRA-LHR
AC is available C LAX-YYZ-LHR
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:37 am

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 17):
3/21
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR
AC is available in Y LAX-YYZ and C YYZ-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-FRA-LHR
AC is available C LAX-YYZ-LHR

I appreciate all the advice but please read my thoughts. I do not really want to fly LH, they have never been great anytime I have flown them. Further to that my final destination is DUB not LHR and there are no star flights MUC-DUB so LAX-MUC-LHR-DUB is way too much of a detour. And AC LAX-YYZ is that any better than CO LAX-EWR which would at least allow me to fly direct EWR-DUB rather than YYZ-LHR-DUB
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:57 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
AC 330 YVR-LHR Great seat and standard service levels.

9A on an AC A333 is the best TATL seat bar none in C, in my opinion. I used to be a fan of CO, I still think CO is very good, but AC is better.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 18):
And AC LAX-YYZ is that any better than CO LAX-EWR

Yes. Every mainline AC aircraft has AVOD front-to-back, and the pitch is the same or better.

There are however two downsides for you that I can think of.
You will have to clear Canadian immigration in YYZ (but not customs). It is a very quick affair, however, especially since you do so at dedicated counters reserved for passengers in international transit. It's never taken me more than a couple of minutes.
Service-wise (since you asked), I believe you will be last or next-to-last in placing your meal order with AC in C. They have a specific pecking order that puts all fare paying passengers first (ranked by frequent flyer status even) and that ends with award tickets and airline employees on free or reduced tickets.
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RE: Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?

Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:31 pm

So in the end I chose AC. Partly as my options were limited (only LH, AC and US were available on the dates I wanted) and partly as they are an airline I have never flown so will be another one to add to my list

My itinerary will read;
DUB-EWR CO 752
EWR-SEA CO 738
YVR-YEG AC E90
YEG-LHR AC 763
LHR-DUB BD 319

Thanks for all the advice
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