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How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loathes

Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:21 pm

The thread about the window shades prompted me to muse about other air-travel related annoyances. Anytime a large group of strangers is forced into close contact with each other, there are bound to arise some minor and perhaps not so trivial irritations. So although the readers of this forum consist of but a tiny percentage of the traveling public at large, maybe, with a minuscule shred of hope, we can identify and discuss some of the more common issues in the slight hope that we can reduce their occurrence.

Well, OK, perhaps that's a pipe dream. But - at the risk of sounding like a grumpy old curmudgeon - here's a few to get the discussion started. What bothers you?

I'm not sure that anet member aviateur has covered this in his 'Ask the Pilot' column. Patrick, are you out there? You certainly have a more broad readership than the rest of us; how can we improve our own behaviour to make air travel just a bit more civilized?

- Window shades. People who insist upon leaving them open in the evening hours regardless of the light outside often tend not to realize that the surrounding 20 or so passengers can't sleep nor properly view their in-flight entertainment. Please close your shades, or peek out of a crack at the bottom if flying over particularly compelling scenery.

- Flight attendants. We understand you have to announce whenever the seatbelt sign is illuminated. Brevity is appreciated. A simple "please sit down and fasten your seatbelts" is infinitely preferred to the read-along "Ladies and gentlemen, the, uh, captain has turned on the seatbelt sign at this time we, ahh, ask you to return to your seats and fasten your safety belts and refrain from going to the bathroom until, errr, the seatbelt sign has been turned off............mesdames at monsieurs, le commandant....."

- Gate lice who crowd the departure gate and often ignore the order of boarding.

- Gate agents who fail to enforce that order of boarding.

- People who take advantage of the "if you are traveling with children and require assistance" feature. If your kid can walk, you don't need more time to board.

- The carry-on bag limits. People who abuse them, or stuff their bags above seat 12A then move back to 34G, or bring 2 - 3 bags into the cabin...and the flight attendants who fail to enforce the rule. "Let me help you sir, I'll have them store your overstuffed Samsonite in the hold..." A great example recently was on a flight from AUS to DFW on an MD-80 whee a couple boarded first with their 2 small kids (aged 3 and 5-ish and moving just fine) with NINE carry-on bags between them (plus a purse and laptop), all of which went into overhead bins along the entire length of the cabin.

- Mobile phones. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you should. We all know they don't affect the plane's avionics and that several airlines now permit their use once off the active runway. By all means when you land, check your emails, voicemails etc. But the high-volume call to tell your friend that "we've just landed and are taxiing in" doesn't help anybody. You're gonna have to make another call anyway to coordinate your meet-up; please wait until actually off the plane and you have a better idea of when you'll arrive curbside.

- Standing in the aisle the instant the seatbelt sign is turned off at the arrival gate. Stand. Collect your overhead items. Maybe pass their bag to the person in your row. The SIT BACK DOWN. We don't particularly enjoy your crotch at eye level, nor your efforts to disembark several rows ahead of where you were sitting.

- There is usually a line painted on the floor a metre or two from the baggage carousel. Stand behind it as you wait. Please don't occupy the space immediately beside the belt. Sure, you can easily retrieve your bags when they come by. Unfortunately, nobody else can.

Are these familiar? Or am I the only curmudgeon on the flight?
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:26 pm

My pet hate is the pax who reclines his seat all the way back without any consideration, especially on short haul flights.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:34 pm

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
A great example recently was on a flight from AUS to DFW on an MD-80 whee a couple boarded first with their 2 small kids (aged 3 and 5-ish and moving just fine) with NINE carry-on bags between them (plus a purse and laptop), all of which went into overhead bins along the entire length of the cabin

This foul should be charged to the gate agent for not enforcing the carry-on bag rule.

Upon further review: 3 bags over limit (9 bags, 1 laptop, 1 purse = 11 total bags. Family of 4 allowed 8 carry ons)

Anyone know how much Bag Fee revenue was allowed to slip thru the crack?
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:22 pm

How about the business traveler who, after getting his bag into the overhead, stands in the aisle and ever so slowly and deliberately takes off his jacket, carefully folds it, and then sticks it into the bin. (Where it has no room to lie flat and so ends up getting wrinkled anyway.) Move out of the aisle, jerk, we're not impressed...
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:30 pm

The guy who gets the window seat and has fifty cokes and then has to go to the bathroom 20 times. This happened to me on LHR-EWR one time on a VA 744. I was trying to sleep, as I still had to change for Amtrak in NYC and then had a three hour or so Amtrak ride (I should have just gone direct, but I didn't do the booking) to ALB. I was worried the woman next to me was going to punch him. She made a theatrical sigh and gave him an awful look every time he did. He got up, I think five or six times over the flight.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:58 pm

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
We all know they don't affect the plane's avionics

Actually we don't - this is just as much of a myth as "turning on your cell phone will instantly cause a nosedive!" There have been plenty of tests done that have shown certain types of cell phones *can* interfere with electrical signals in airplanes, especially if there is any fraying of the wiring's insulation (as can happen over a long period of time). Would it happen often? No. Could it? Yes. That's why the rule exists. There's no such thing as "this would happen so infrequently that we may as well allow it" when it comes to aviation safety. If something *can* happen on an airplane, it eventually will happen.

So yes, people should have their phones turned off whenever they're required to do so. But not just because the crew tells them to; they should do it because it's the right thing to do. It's no different than wearing a seat belt when you're seated. Sure, it's highly unlikely that you're going to be involved in turbulence that either causes an injury to you, or causes you to fly around the cabin and cause an injury to someone else. But both of those things *can* happen. And wearing a seat belt is such a simple thing that causes such minor inconvenience that it's just stupid not to do it.
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:56 am

People who don't do anything when I ask to have their kid stop kicking the back of my seat.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:31 am

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
Window shades. People who insist upon leaving them open in the evening hours regardless of the light outside often tend not to realize that the surrounding 20 or so passengers can't sleep nor properly view their in-flight entertainment. Please close your shades, or peek out of a crack at the bottom if flying over particularly compelling scenery.

Sigh ....  

People who insist on telling others to have them closed, denying them a chance of looking out the window at some amazing scenery outside. They should instead bring eye masks so the light from the window won't bother them.

However, I do agree with everything else you said.
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:38 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 7):

+1
I chose that window seat for a reason.   If I wasnt interested in looking outside I wouldn't have selected a window seat. Now if its a long haul, thats a different story as I will 99% of the time fall asleep myself.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:32 pm

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
Window shades. People who insist upon leaving them open
Nope. If total darkness is necessary for you to sleep, it is on you to take care of yourself and bring eyeshades. I can't sleep on planes, I like to look out the window, and I'm not your mommy, so I'll look outside thank you.

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
Flight attendants. We understand you have to announce whenever the seatbelt sign is illuminated. Brevity is appreciated
Don't disagree, but this is not gonna happen in a world infested with lawyers.

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
Gate agents who fail to enforce that order of boarding.
Yup.

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
People who take advantage of the "if you are traveling with children and require assistance" feature. If your kid can walk, you don't need more time to board.
Our child has autism, and looks "okay" on the outside. He can walk, but if forced to do so in a pushing and shoving crowd, it will end very badly for all involved and nearby. You don't know everyone's story. Worry about your own business.

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
The carry-on bag limits. People who abuse them, or stuff their bags above seat 12A then move back to 34G, or bring 2 - 3 bags into the cabin...and the flight attendants who fail to enforce the rule.
Couldn't agree more.

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
Mobile phones. We all know they don't affect the plane's avionics
No we don't. No matter what the internet may tell you.


Edit: Delete snarky comment and link to netjets.



[Edited 2011-10-31 07:57:29]
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:51 pm

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
- People who take advantage of the "if you are traveling with children and require assistance" feature. If your kid can walk, you don't need more time to board.

IMO, all families with children should pre-board if the airline allows for it. Get them on the plane, and in their seats before the rest, as kids during boarding are often the ones that slow everything down. When they pre-board with little stress, everything goes better.

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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:52 am

in no particular order....

1) Passengers "requiring extra time to board"....who look like they could run a marathon

2) A large rollaboard, a large briefcase AND a laptop bag....since when was that one carry on and one small personal item?

3) Anyone bringing on a suit carrier....no way that would ever fit in a bag sizer.

4) The person who boards, puts carry on in overhead and then 2 minutes later gets up and blocks the aisle to get book/pen/laptop/ etc. out of bag...sit down for crying out loud, then we can all leave and then get your "essential"..better yet, plan ahead and get it out before you get on.

5) In a similar vein, the person who gets on board and then decides they must go to the forward lavatory before take off, fighting against the crowd all the way....what was wrong with the 30 minutes they were in the terminal?

6) 0.5 seconds after touchdown the person on their cellphone with "we've just landed, I'll call you when I get to the gate" which of course they do, and then again when they are getting off the plane...these people are the entire reason cellphones should never ever be considered to be allowed in flight.

7) 3 feet off the runway and SLAM...seat in front straight back into your knees....seat recline should be banned on all flights on less then 4 hours...it's not that the 3" recline moves the experience from miserable to world class.

8) Gate lice...get out of the way....group 6 does not come straight after 1.

9) or....you could be the young lady from Winnipeg, who many years ago on a flight from MSP to AMS proceeded to tell me her entire life story....just what I needed for 8 hours  
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:10 am

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
Window shades. People who insist upon leaving them open in the evening hours regardless of the light outside often tend not to realize that the surrounding 20 or so passengers can't sleep nor properly view their in-flight entertainment. Please close your shades, or peek out of a crack at the bottom if flying over particularly compelling scenery

We all need to be considerate, but I still don't understand why people who want the shades shut have or think they have priority over those who want to enjoy the scenery.
I choose daylight flights not only for the scenery, but also because I want to stay awake to help adjust to time zones. Its not easy to stay awke when the cabin is dark.
Those who want to sleep, you have eyeshades...what do those who want to enjoy the view or stay awake have?
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:23 am

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 12):
Those who want to sleep, you have eyeshades...what do those who want to enjoy the view or stay awake have?

  

Exactly. If window shades are pulled down, those who want to look outside have no option remaining to them, whereas those who want some darkness can always wear eye masks to block out the light. Why force everyone to live in darkness just because some people want to sleep?
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:31 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 9):
Nope. If total darkness is necessary for you to sleep, it is on you to take care of yourself and bring eyeshades.

I agree. I need total darkness. In fact, I like to cocoon myself under a blanket (that I bring myself)...I'm one of those guys that completely covers my head under the blanket. Over years of international long distance flying for work, I have found this to be the one sure fire way to get a decent nights sleep on the plane. But, I take it upon me to bring the essentials required for me to get a good nights sleep.

This is especially true on, say, ORD/DFW-NRT when you fly entirely during the day. I still wants a decent nights sleep, and can do so...with my method, with the tools I bring myself.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
these people are the entire reason cellphones should never ever be considered to be allowed in flight.

Well if they are using them after landing, they technically aren't using them in flight  
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:59 pm

The charmer who washes down a plate of chips and salsa with chili con queso and 2 bean burritos with 3 beers, aided by cabin pressurization who leave silent and deadly smelling reminders of their food intake....
along with Mom and Pop (with or without kids) who bring homemade food along to share the sights and smells of 3 or 4 hour old food...........trust me room temperature tuna salad sandwiches are wretched smelling and will turn the toughest gut.
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:16 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 15):
The charmer who washes down a plate of chips and salsa with chili con queso and 2 bean burritos with 3 beers, aided by cabin pressurization who leave silent and deadly smelling reminders of their food intake....
along with Mom and Pop (with or without kids) who bring homemade food along to share the sights and smells of 3 or 4 hour old food...........trust me room temperature tuna salad sandwiches are wretched smelling and will turn the toughest gut.

Hit the nail on the head. Airlines should make a list of recommended food. Bagels, chocolate chip cookies, granola bars: Yes. That triple cheeseburger that you bought from the airport McDonalds? No.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
7) 3 feet off the runway and SLAM...seat in front straight back into your knees....seat recline should be banned on all flights on less then 4 hours...it's not that the 3" recline moves the experience from miserable to world class.

I don't have an issue with people reclining on flights; I do it too, but there are considerate ways of reclining.

As for me:
--People who disregard the numerous and repetitive security signs before the lines start only to later take their sweet time to hold up the line as they remove everything, have to go through twice because they didn't remove their laptop and shoes, then they forgot to take off their belt, then their phone is in their pocket... Multiply this by a factor of ten. If I were an airport architect, I would create areas before the metal detectors where people could sit, remove their belongings, discard liquids, bag toiletries, and then que.
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:28 pm

Exactly, I agree with the people about the eye shades. I mean, I picked the window seat for a reason, if you want to sleep, pick a window seat too and pull your window shade down and sleep.

Why should I be considerate to you and you not to me???

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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:26 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
"we've just landed, I'll call you when I get to the gate"

Unless they're being rudely loud, I don't see how that's your business. When I take a trip to see my folks we have a system...If I call when boarding is complete it's about the right time for my dad to leave home to come pick me up. If he gets there early he goes to a beer store near the airport, so if I let him know we have landed he knows to finish browsing, check out, and pull around to the terminal with almost perfect timing. Of course, I also know how to send a text, so I won't be the person to annoy you, just saying that there can be a reason people do that.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
.it's not that the 3" recline moves the experience from miserable to world class.

It can when you have chronic back pain, which I do. Totally with you regarding people slamming the seat backwards though...although it has happened that if I lower it slowly the person behind will push me back forwards. So I can actually see a reason someone might do this as well.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 17):
I agree with the people about the eye shades.

I have an even better solution...fly Asian carriers which force the issue. Either you lower your shade or the FA will.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:21 pm

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
- The carry-on bag limits. People who abuse them, or stuff their bags above seat 12A then move back to 34G, or bring 2 - 3 bags into the cabin...and the flight attendants who fail to enforce the rule.

         Couldn't agree more. Yes, airlines charge you to check a bag. Well, ever heard of going with the flow? Airline raise their fares and people pay them. Airlines charge you 4-figure prices to sit in premium cabins, and people pay them. So why won't people pay to check bags? Because they're ignorant. Or better yet, why not just check your over-sized rollaboard for FREE at the gate?? Pax carrying fragile or valuable items in their carry-ons should have complete priority for overhead bin usage.

Quoting PITingres (Reply 3):
How about the business traveler who, after getting his bag into the overhead, stands in the aisle and ever so slowly and deliberately takes off his jacket, carefully folds it, and then sticks it into the bin. (Where it has no room to lie flat and so ends up getting wrinkled anyway.) Move out of the aisle, jerk, we're not impressed...

   Another thing that really bothers me are those arrogant business travelers. Dude, just because you think you're so much cooler than us because you fly once a week and have XXX thousand miles and elite-top notch-golden-priority-whatnot status, does not give you the right to fill the overhead bins with all of your crap because you're too arrogant to check bags. Or do anything else that's not allowed.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:45 am

Quoting AI (Reply 1):

My pet hate is the pax who reclines his seat all the way back without any consideration, especially on short haul flights.

Am I the only person who uses the air vent as a defensive measure? Turn that thing on full blast and aim it right at their head. It's amusing to watch and the seat will be up in less than 10 minutes.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 7):

People who insist on telling others to have them closed, denying them a chance of looking out the window at some amazing scenery outside. They should instead bring eye masks so the light from the window won't bother them.

They key to window shades is the flight. If it's a short haul or daytime flight, go nuts - look out the window. However, if it's a red-eye or long haul overnight flight, put the shade down. Endless ocean and/or farmland is not that interesting and you're disturbing others - eye mask or not. Thankfully, Boeing has addressed the problem.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
IMO, all families with children should pre-board if the airline allows for it. Get them on the plane, and in their seats before the rest, as kids during boarding are often the ones that slow everything down. When they pre-board with little stress, everything goes better.

No way. They are the biggest culprits for blocking the aisle and being in and out of the overhead 100 times while boarding is ongoing. Having children is a choice - parents, deal with the inconveniences of traveling with them. You don't deserve any privilege over anyone else.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
9) or....you could be the young lady from Winnipeg, who many years ago on a flight from MSP to AMS proceeded to tell me her entire life story....just what I needed for 8 hours

Say "I'm sorry, I'm not interested" and put in your earbuds. That's your fault for sitting through her tales for 8 hours.

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 15):
along with Mom and Pop (with or without kids) who bring homemade food along to share the sights and smells of 3 or 4 hour old food...........trust me room temperature tuna salad sandwiches are wretched smelling and will turn the toughest gut.

One can only hope their tuna has turned and give them the runs - preferably after the flight.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:11 am

[quote=genybustrvlr,reply=20]Say "I'm sorry, I'm not interested" and put in your earbuds. That's your fault for sitting through her tales for 8 hours.

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If only it had been that simple. This was way before ipods etc. I didn't even take a Walkman, but even saying i was not wanting to talk was not going to deter her!
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:56 am

My additions to the list:
-The idiot who claims he hasn't heard the boarding order and then argues with the gate agent to try and get on ahead of time for no reason at all, holding up the line for the rest of us;
-The passenger who pushes and shoves his way out the plane like his butt is on fire and then ends up waiting for the same rental/hotel shuttle as everyone else curbside.
-Passengers who are too cheap to check-in their luggage and too weak to lift it into the overhead;
-Passengers who pretend they're too cool to acknowledge flight attendants exist and act as if they have no idea what's happening when one interrupts their conversation after having asked half the cabin for their drink order already.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 19):
Dude, just because you think you're so much cooler than us because you fly once a week and have XXX thousand miles and elite-top notch-golden-priority-whatnot status, does not give you the right to fill the overhead bins with all of your crap

Dude, if I am cooler than you, it isn't because of the XXXX thousand miles and the elite-top notch-golden-priority-whatnot status (although I'm sure it helps), it's because I know better than to bring so much to fill up the overhead bins. Who you're thinking of is the wannabe who hasn't learned to pack and needs all the room in the plane...

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
you could be the young lady from Winnipeg, who many years ago on a flight from MSP to AMS proceeded to tell me her entire life story

That is why my earbuds go on as soon as I sit.
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:30 am

Quoting genybustrvlr (Reply 20):
Quoting AI (Reply 1):
My pet hate is the pax who reclines his seat all the way back without any consideration, especially on short haul flights.
Am I the only person who uses the air vent as a defensive measure? Turn that thing on full blast and aim it right at their head. It's amusing to watch and the seat will be up in less than 10 minutes.

Back in the day, shoehorned on a TWA 727, some idiot reclined back thru my knees into my lap; I was literally looking down at him. I asked that he please put his seat forward at least until I'd finished my drink and could put my tray up. He laughed and said "no way". So I started yanking nose hairs. Every time I do so I sneeze, and I may have made a little extra spray after a few. He turned around and gave me a pissed off look. I smiled and said, "I can do this all the way to St. Louis". He unreclined. I said thank you.
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:57 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 21):
If only it had been that simple. This was way before ipods etc. I didn't even take a Walkman, but even saying i was not wanting to talk was not going to deter her!

I have to fly once or twice a month at least due to work. Medium to long haul, usually. Sometimes I get that type of passenger. It comes down to this: Courteously and amicably, you tell them that you are not interested. Period. It´s called honesty. If you tell them you want to work and you don´t, or you want to sleep and you don´t, they´ll be back at it.

They may get angry, they may make a face, they may think you are a crank. That´s their problem. No way am I going to wear my Ipod or earplugs (which I hate) for hours on end becaues of what the person next to me may think.

My contributions:

1) People who want you to not recline your seat:

I will recline mine. Period. I will do it courteously and I will do it slowly, and I will unrecline during meals, but that´s about it. You don´t want me to recline? Fly on an ailine that has non-reclining seats. I paid for a ticket on a seat that reclines. Oh, and try some stunt like picking your nose to sneeze on my head or blasting the AC on my face and I WILL TALK to the FA. Believe me, they will act on behalf of the passenger who´s being harassed by teenage antics.

2) People who want you to put your windowshade down:

I love my window seat. I reserved it over the phone, over the Internet or through my travel agent. I paid for it. The window seat includes the window. I hate the middle or the middle row on widebodies because I get dizzy during turbulence. On day flights, I will put it down approximately at half. Night flights, fine, since there is nothing to see, I´ll put it down. But don´t expect me to leave them down when YOU want me too. I remember being asked by an SAS FA to put my window shade down. I told her I wanted to see the sun come up. There´s nothing more beautiful than a sunrise at 41,000 ft. She became very insistent and aggressive. I called the Purser, FA disappeared, window shade up. BRING YOUR EYEMASKS.

3) Families, groups or couples who think it is THEIR RIGHT to sit together.

As in the case above, I am sitting in that seat for a reason. I reserved it too. Why can´t you do the same at the time of reservation/purchase or whenever if you want to sit together? Sure, I´ll trade my seat for the Jumpseat (which is never going to happen) or a seat in the next upper fare.
 
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
1) Passengers "requiring extra time to board"....who look like they could run a marathon

+1

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
4) The person who boards, puts carry on in overhead and then 2 minutes later gets up and blocks the aisle to get book/pen/laptop/ etc. out of bag.

Oh it makes me mad. Stow your things and sit down as quickly as possible that applies to all classes. Get yourself organised before you board.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
8) Gate lice...get out of the way....group 6 does not come straight after 1.

Totally and the ones that pretend they dont speak English and ignore the announcements but yet still block the ones that are being called to board.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
9) or....you could be the young lady from Winnipeg, who many years ago on a flight from MSP to AMS proceeded to tell me her entire life story....just what I needed for 8 hours  

I like a short conversation with a seat mate but please respect my wish to listen to my music or watch the movie. I normally get round this by saying politely ''please excuse me I find listening to my music helps me relax, we will chat again later''. Normally does the trick  

My worst nightmare is sitting next to someone who has not used deodrant or showered. I can forgive most things but that would prompt me to try change seats.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:15 pm

Quoting AI (Reply 1):
My pet hate is the pax who reclines his seat all the way back without any consideration, especially on short haul flights.

Ok, I think this could be me...whats the etiquette here? Turn around & let the person behind you know? (I'm serious btw)

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 7):

People who insist on telling others to have them closed, denying them a chance of looking out the window at some amazing scenery outside.

Yeah, come on!!

I'll half close it if the person next to me is trying to sleep.

I am the window seat nightmare that always has to go to the bathroom but I have a tiny bladder, not my fault!!!
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Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:24 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 26):

I am the window seat nightmare that always has to go to the bathroom but I have a tiny bladder, not my fault!!!

Then sit on the aisle!
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:13 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 26):
Ok, I think this could be me...whats the etiquette here? Turn around & let the person behind you know? (I'm serious btw)

My thinking is if I am on a 2 hour afternoon flight and there is some 6'5 guy sitting behind me I probably wont recline, especially if I am not going to sleep. But longer flights, early morning, late at night, red eyes etc.. I do not care who is behind me I am going to recline. I will always put it back up for meals and will always recline the seat very slowly.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 26):
I am the window seat nightmare that always has to go to the bathroom but I have a tiny bladder, not my fault!!!

But it is your fault for chosing a window seat. If you get up more than once every 2.5-3 hours or more than once on any flight less than 2 hours or so, I would be annoyed.
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Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:41 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 26):
.whats the etiquette here? Turn around & let the person behind you know? (I'm serious btw)

Just do it slowly enough that you won't spill any drinks or anything and you're in the clear. If they have a problem with you using a feature of your seat then it's not your problem. Oh, and if you're on an international flight, put it back up when they serve a meal- American carriers don't often enforce this.

Quoting genybustrvlr (Reply 20):
Endless ocean and/or farmland is not that interesting and you're disturbing others - eye mask or not.

There's a reason they call places like Iowa "flyover country." Ain't all that interesting on the ground, ain't all that interesting from the air. And besides, kinda hard to use the IFE with eye masks on, so despite what everybody on here seems to think... no they're NOT the cure-all.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 19):
Dude, just because you think you're so much cooler
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 22):
Dude, if I am cooler than you

Dudes, I am cooler than any of you. I won't do anything special to demonstrate. You'll just know.  
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:43 pm

[quote=flymia,reply=28]But it is your fault for chosing a window seat.[quote]

You're assuming it's actuallty a choice. I can't speak for aerdingus, but I too often find myself having to pee quite frequently, especially when I've consumed an entire can of soda. Because of this I always try to reserve an aisle seat on flights longer than 2 hours or so, but sometimes there aren't any left and I find myself stuck in a window or middle seat on a long flight.
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:30 am

Why do you want the window shade open on a long flight anyway? I hate having it open so close it to avoid the sun coming in. Dont know whats so exciting about looking at the sky for hours and hours. Much rather have it closed and relax my eyes rather than having one selfish person leaving it open whilst the rest are closed!
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:42 am

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 29):
And besides, kinda hard to use the IFE with eye masks on, so despite what everybody on here seems to think... no they're NOT the cure-all.

PTV screens have brightness and contrast controls. Despite leaving my window shade open, I can see my PTV screen just fine with a slight tweak of the contrast levels.

Quoting joffie (Reply 31):
Why do you want the window shade open on a long flight anyway? I hate having it open so close it to avoid the sun coming in. Dont know whats so exciting about looking at the sky for hours and hours.

To admire the scenery. Must you ask? What's so exciting about looking at the sky for hours? Well, you're obviously not much of a star gazer. During the day I also like to look at various cloud formations, and what we're flying over. Sometimes, I can see the moon on day time flights too. Hell, there are even times when I just stare at the wing and engine.
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:26 am

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 15):
along with Mom and Pop (with or without kids) who bring homemade food along to share the sights and smells of 3 or 4 hour old food...........trust me room temperature tuna salad sandwiches are wretched smelling and will turn the toughest gut.

That was my mother-in-law a few years ago. We were flying together on some early AM regional jet flight with my wife and I one row in front of them. As the boarding was about to finish (though the door was still open) the passengers around us, then my wife and I began to notice the most awful smell. The guy across from us was holding his nose and then we followed suit, my wife remarked "Oh God, what on earth is that smell?" and the mother-in-law heard us and asked what was wrong. As we looked round we saw her munching on some wretched early morning snack of choice that was some leftovers of something that was the cause of everyone's dismay. Alas she was oblivious to the pong.

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
- There is usually a line painted on the floor a metre or two from the baggage carousel. Stand behind it as you wait. Please don't occupy the space immediately beside the belt. Sure, you can easily retrieve your bags when they come by. Unfortunately, nobody else can.

There are many flying pet peeves of mine (I think I got to over 100 when I sat down once and wrote them out!) but this is a major one for me. By standing near the belt only a small fraction of passengers can see the bags, thereby exacerbating the problem, and they also don't leave enough room for you to get the bags when you need to! General Public idiocy at its finest!

What really annoys me is when families let 8yr olds kids offer to grab the cases, so they stand really close to the belt and then can't lift then when they come round!
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:23 am

In regard to the phone calls right on landing, I always pick up the phone to call the Valet service so my car is always nice and toasty when I get there to pick it up. But I pretty much agree with the rest. Sides if somebody is meeting me at the airport I'll drop them a text. So much easier in my opinion. Plus you don't have to worry about them missing ur call. I don't like when people steal my seat. I picked that seat for a reason, please move.
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:55 pm

Quoting lows (Reply 27):
Then sit on the aisle!

I like sitting beside the window  
Quoting flymia (Reply 28):
But it is your fault for chosing a window seat. If you get up more than once every 2.5-3 hours or more than once on any flight less than 2 hours or so, I would be annoyed.

Actually now that you phrase it in that timeline...I would only get up once on a flight less than 2 hrs...so maybe I'm not as bad as I used to be....it's just that the last time I got up (only once) I had to wake the guy on the outside up & he was not happy..   then I couldn't wake him up when I had to sit back down, all the rows were laughing, kinda awkward.com but funny.

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 29):
Just do it slowly enough that you won't spill any drinks or anything and you're in the clear. If they have a problem with you using a feature of your seat then it's not your problem. Oh, and if you're on an international flight, put it back up when they serve a meal- American carriers don't often enforce this.

Ok I will do this in future  
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:07 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 24):
I will recline mine. Period. I will do it courteously and I will do it slowly, and I will unrecline during meals, but that´s about it. You don´t want me to recline? Fly on an ailine that has non-reclining seats. I paid for a ticket on a seat that reclines. Oh, and try some stunt like picking your nose to sneeze on my head or blasting the AC on my face and I WILL TALK to the FA. Believe me, they will act on behalf of the passenger who´s being harassed by teenage antics.

So you wont take into consideration at all the person behind you, charming. It works both ways as well, a FA asked the guy in-front of me to put his seat up as I had no room and no free seats to move to (Every time I moved to get into a better position it moved his seat, I was not harassing him with teenage antics, I had no room, it annoyed him, he called the FA, and then the FA saw. I had told him I had no room, but he did not listen)
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:38 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 36):
So you wont take into consideration at all the person behind you, charming. It works both ways as well, a FA asked the guy in-front of me to put his seat up as I had no room and no free seats to move to (Every time I moved to get into a better position it moved his seat, I was not harassing him with teenage antics, I had no room, it annoyed him, he called the FA, and then the FA saw. I had told him I had no room, but he did not listen)

NOBODY has any room! It's economy class!

I have seriously had it with the whole "people shouldn't recline because I'm tall" attitude. I need to recline to be comfortable. You may counter by saying "I need the seat in front unreclined for me to be comfortable." The key difference is that I can utilize the features of my seat, and my seat alone, to be comfortable... and you cannot. I'm really sorry about that, because it will probably cost you extra to book the bulkhead or exit. But it isn't as if my back problems haven't cost me some money too.
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 36):
So you wont take into consideration at all the person behind you, charming.

Why do you say that? I clearly wrote:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 24):
I will do it courteously and I will do it slowly, and I will unrecline during meals, but that´s about it.

You have options too. Usually the seats behind the first overwing emergency exit row, as well as the second overwing emergency exit row won´t recline in both the the A320s and the 737s so you have up to 12 seats to choose from where the seat in front won´t recline in that section. You also have the bulkheads which gives you an extra 6 seats, so in total you have 18 seats on average on those aircraft where you won´t have any trouble.

And that FA you encountered must have been pretty special because in my experience they very seldom asked the reclining passenger to put the seat up, unless during meals or drinks services. As I said in another thread, if an FA asks me to do that, of course I won´t make a scene, but I will certainly complain to the purser and if that does not work I will get the name of the FA and write a letter to the airline.

The fact that you cannot comfortably be in an economy class seat without the seat in front of you reclining is honestly not my problem. I am 1.86 mts tall and when I´ve flown ailines with less than 32 in. pitch I keep my mouth shut if the guy in front reclines. Besides, I am perfectly fine in terms of comfort. How tall do you have to be to make it impossible for you to be able to endure a flight with the seat in front reclining?

Now if you have an evident health issue, I will of course be sympathetic and won´t recline if asked but I seldom have found myself in those situations. On the contrary, I once had major shoulder reconstruction surgery and had to fly home two days after with my arm stuck to my chest in a very uncomfortable position in some contraption and got a middle seat in a CO 735 for a 2.5 hr flight. I was fully pumped with Vicodin of course, but still I was in bad pain and never did I ask nor requested to be moved. And yes, the guy in front reclined.

So stuck it up, or pay for a different seat or a higher fare.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 35):
I like sitting beside the window

Well then. You can´t have your cake and eat it too.

[Edited 2011-11-03 14:46:38]

[Edited 2011-11-03 15:38:52]
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:07 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 35):

Quoting lows (Reply 27):
Then sit on the aisle!

I like sitting beside the window  

Try GoogleEarth then.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 38):
Quoting aerdingus (Reply 35):
I like sitting beside the window

well then. You can´t have your cake and eat it too.

  
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:57 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
you could be the young lady from Winnipeg, who many years ago on a flight from MSP to AMS proceeded to tell me her entire life story....just what I needed for 8 hours

Urgh. I had this last month CBR-SYD, flying time 22 minutes. That was more than bad enough so I really feel for you having to endure 8 hours of it!

Quoting PITingres (Reply 3):
How about the business traveler who, after getting his bag into the overhead, stands in the aisle and ever so slowly and deliberately takes off his jacket, carefully folds it, and then sticks it into the bin. (Where it has no room to lie flat and so ends up getting wrinkled anyway.) Move out of the aisle, jerk, we're not impressed...

In July I flew BNE-CBR and I was the only person on a full 737 not wearing a suit. Just imagine the ego-padding that went on   

For me it is the person who has to smack the touch-screen IFE system in my seat back with all the force of a heavy-weigh champion

And (contrary to a few others) those who don't let me recline my seat. I consider myself a "considerate" passenger and never recline on a short-haul flight or during daylight hours. But long-haul overnight? I want to try and get some sleep!

Special mention in this regard to two particularly charming gentlemen whom I had the pleasure of sitting in front of EWR-MAN and DXB-SIN. Nothing makes for a relaxed and pleasurable flying experience quite like having my seat punched and kicked everytime I try to recline....
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RE: How Not To Be That Passenger That Everyone Loa

Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:21 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 38):
Well then. You can´t have your cake and eat it too.
Quoting lows (Reply 39):
Try GoogleEarth then.

Chaps, please read:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 35):
.I would only get up once on a flight less than 2 hrs...so maybe I'm not as bad as I used to be....

 

Calm down.
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