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AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:38 am

If it's new and quiet, I don't want to fly it.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:48 am

This really has nothing pertaining to airplanes, but just being in a public place that is private property. It's the same as if someone went into a restaurant looking like that. An airline should be able to refuse service to a person dressed completely inappropriate. The article says that the man would change if requested.
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:58 am

I agree. I can't understand the seemingly lack of common sense of passengers who "dress down" for a flight. I don't think we need to go back to the 1950's and 60's custom of suits and ties, but a modicum of decency would be appropriate.
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:00 am

I don't see what the issue is... If that man can't fly because he might make others feel uncomfortable, then the airline better also develop policies for people who snore, can't manage their body odour, have loud voices, annoying laughs, have their headphones turned up too high, have strange hairstyles, have loud keyboards on their laptops etc. I reckon that people should be allowed to dress however they like...
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:02 am

YES YES YES YES YES!
AND YES AGAIN!

But to be fair, just like in the hotel or restaurant industry, you could have different
standards across the market. you can turn up to McDonalds looking like trash and that's
okay, but if you go into a 5 star Michelin chef's restaurant you would expect a higher standard
of presentation.

It actually could be a really good idea for one american carrier to try and get a 'premium' feel back onboard.
There are plenty of people out there that would rather a bit more of a pleasant environment and probably would
be prepared to pay a few bucks extra if part of the package was 'away from the riff raff' and a little higher service
standards. Those who don't like it (ie - ur just a bunch of fricken snobs etc) well, there are plenty of low cost
options for them and they'd probably be happier there anyway. Some people like to eat at a truck stop, some
people are happy to pay for something more sophisticated. (that would make the other group feel uncomfortable
in any case). Why not cater to both? The riff raff can spill beer all over themselves on Ryanair, and we can
pull out the Prada gear and enjoy the Champange? Everybody's happy!

[Edited 2011-11-25 20:04:17]
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:02 am

Your decency is someone else's stuffy 50's era dress. As with anything in a free society, we always seem to sink to the lowest personal standards.
 
roseflyer
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:04 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):
I don't see what the issue is... If that man can't fly because he might make others feel uncomfortable, then the airline better also develop policies for people who snore, can't manage their body odour, have loud voices, annoying laughs, have their headphones turned up too high, have strange hairstyles, have loud keyboards on their laptops etc. I reckon that people should be allowed to dress however they like...

While I understand your point, I think there should be common decency and a man (or a woman either) should not be allowed on a plane wearing womens lingerie. Not appropriate and indescency. There are places where it is allowed, but not in a cramped airplane cabin. It shouldn't be allowed on a subway, bus, restaurant, or mall either. Wear that at home or an establishment where it is acceptable (preferably an over 21 years old establishment or somewhere else where revealing clothing is acceptable)
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:27 am

Whatever is acceptable to wear in public should also be acceptable to wear on the aeroplane. There will always be styles of clothing that someone doesn't like.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:36 am

While it's a nice sentiment, it won't happen, because airlines won't do something that drives paying passengers away. The loss of passengers will more than likely offset the increase of those who decide to fly because of the dress code. And of course, other airlines will always be right there to invite those shunned on board their planes.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:14 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I think there should be common decency and a man (or a woman either) should not be allowed on a plane wearing womens lingerie. Not appropriate and indescency.

Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:16 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):

While it's a nice sentiment, it won't happen, because airlines won't do something that drives paying passengers away.

Well Qantas has basically already managed to do it with Jetstar. The two passenger groups look very different. Even where they are on the same route, like SYD-BNE/MEL . Of course there is no need for it to be enforced, the passengers just naturally gravitate to were they belong. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Imagine if say AA had the guts to lift the standards a little bit and become 'carrier of choice' for those who travel more frequently and appreciate things a little more civilized onboard? It could be a way for them out of their current problems. Singapore wins because the promise is 'the golden bird means better'. Maybe somebody could do the same with the AA and it's eagle.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:24 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I think there should be common decency and a man (or a woman either) should not be allowed on a plane wearing womens lingerie. Not appropriate and indescency.

Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...

I totally agree with you. I think casual clothing is perfectly acceptable when flying for paying passengers in any class. Airplanes are uncomfortable places to be regardless of class of service, so casual comfortable clothes make sense. Many times the people in first and business class are the most casual on long haul flights. Nobody is wearing shoes, many have slipped into pajamas or came dressed down.

My point is in reference to the article about a man boarding an airplane wearing lingerie that no one who is commenting on the thread seems to have read.
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:46 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
My point is in reference to the article about a man boarding an airplane wearing lingerie that no one who is commenting on the thread seems to have read.

That story is old news. The article is just rehashing stories from the past year to get a little more mileage out of them. They were all separately discussed ad nauseum.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:51 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):
Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...

That's me: track pants, jumper, slide-in shoes. Comfortable with another side effect: it is metal free (no belt, studs or anything else) so I can fly through security (if the idiots in front of me did not have 17 bags, 4 coats, shawls, belts, high heels with steel, and they arrive at security ignoring all signs and behaving as if the fly for the very first time in their life...)

But if a guy dressed in womans lingerie tries to sit next to me, I will make a racket and refuse to sit next to him. And I think these cases are so extreme, a mental hospital would be a better option. It has nothing to do with dress codes.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:37 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
An airline should be able to refuse service to a person dressed completely inappropriate.

They are able to, I just wish they exercised that right more frequently.

Quoting rendezvous (Reply 7):
Whatever is acceptable to wear in public should also be acceptable to wear on the aeroplane.

Totally disagree. Public space is that, public, but an airline cabin is private space, where standards can, and should be, higher. I will put up with the guy in lingerie walking down the street because it is his street as much as mine, but if we both find ourselves at a decent sit-down restaurant, I expect management to choose between his business or mine, or I'll make the choice for myself...

I generally don't care what people wear onboard or in public, including baggy pants, cleavage down to one's navel, etc... It is not my business if someone wants to look like a clown after all. I do object to clothing that the vast majority of us find offensive, however (yes, the tyranny of the majority) because at that point, it isn't about one's comfort, or freedom of expression, or sense of style, it is about being unnecessarily but willfully offensive and creating a hostile environment, for no good purpose at all.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
Nobody is wearing shoes, many have slipped into pajamas or came dressed down.

That is actually my biggest beef. Airline provided pjs are one thing, but I draw the line at one bringing one's own. Why? Because I have seen more than once a suspect stain, and I don't want to have to think about how long it's been there and when was the last time that garment has been cleaned, not to speak of whether or not I might be sat in their seat on the next flight.

[Edited 2011-11-25 22:39:48]
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:47 am

if you want to upgrade to business/first, YES!!
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:17 am

If airlines want bring back better travel attire...then they need bring back the service that came with it..

Who wants dress up to be treated like crap?

..but 'NO', I wouldn't wanna sit next to him...

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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:12 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
If airlines want bring back better travel attire...then they need bring back the service that came with it..

Who wants dress up to be treated like crap?

..but 'NO', I wouldn't wanna sit next to him...

BN747

BEST answer in the entire thread!!
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:17 am

Isn't that the new VS uniform ?
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:35 am

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 15):
if you want to upgrade to business/first, YES!!

Well, it will make the game of spot the OpUp even easier for those of us in Business/First.

I can assure you, on longhaul C/F - it gets very casual, Chinos and a polo shirt for a day flight for me, but for the night flight either the supplied PJ's or my freshly-laundered ones if the airline doesn't supply them or haven't got my size.

I am not going to pay 5k for a ticket to SIN/HKG etc and be told I have to wear a collar and tie.
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:00 pm

Why should

Quoting rendezvous (Reply 7):
Whatever is acceptable to wear in public should also be acceptable to wear on the aeroplane. There will always be styles of clothing that someone doesn't like.

Yeah, I don't know why people - probably just aviation enthusiasts - think that people on airplanes should have a different dress code compared to the general public.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...

Agreed. I'd say if you can walk out your door, get on bus or train or walk through public, there should be no reason why you are acceptable to board an aircraft.
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:09 pm

Policies won't do much, unfortunately, if one is not able, on his/her own, to use

Quoting N49WA (Reply 2):
common sense

and apply reasonable

Quoting N49WA (Reply 2):
decency

  

as to the appropriate attire, personal hygiene, noise level (voice, laughs, headphones, keyboards ...)

[Edited 2011-11-26 04:24:15]
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:10 pm

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):
if the idiots in front of me did not have 17 bags, 4 coats, shawls, belts, high heels with steel, and they arrive at security ignoring all signs and behaving as if the fly for the very first time in their life...

I thought it only happened to me ...
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:22 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 14):
I generally don't care what people wear onboard or in public, including baggy pants, cleavage down to one's navel, etc... It is not my business if someone wants to look like a clown after all. I do object to clothing that the vast majority of us find offensive, however (yes, the tyranny of the majority) because at that point, it isn't about one's comfort, or freedom of expression, or sense of style, it is about being unnecessarily but willfully offensive and creating a hostile environment, for no good purpose at all.

Definitely, you can't complain about everything that people wear, unless their actually doing it to offend. Pity there's a few airline staff that don't seem to realise it
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:25 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 4):
but if you go into a 5 star Michelin chef's restaurant you would expect a higher standard
of presentation.




I believe the Michelin restaurants are awarded one, two, or three stars. no such thing as a 5 star Michelin rating
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:25 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):
I don't see what the issue is... If that man can't fly because he might make others feel uncomfortable, then the airline better also develop policies for people who snore, can't manage their body odour, have loud voices, annoying laughs, have their headphones turned up too high, have strange hairstyles, have loud keyboards on their laptops etc. I reckon that people should be allowed to dress however they like...

very well said, people should mind their own business instead of critizing others. Its my seat on a plane and i will dress the way I want to. Some people here ahve to wake up and stop being old fashioned.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:13 pm

Society as a whole has seemed to have dressed down to the point that it has become acceptable by many to go out in public wearing clothing that in the past folks would be embarrassed to be seen in public wearing. I for one, would never go out in public wearing gym clothes or old clothes worn to do yard work (even if I'm taking a quick trip to Home Depot to pick up something). Of course having previously worked in the airline industry and having to follow a non-rev dress code is something some nearly 11 years after leaving the industry that still sticks with me. There are times in which I've been the guy most likely to be mistaken for an air marshal.

Folks don't necessarily need to break out something they might wear to a wedding or funeral when they travel, but perhaps they need to rethink their traveling attire. A pair of khaki pants and a button down shirt can be easily bought at somewhere like a Walmart for $20 or so.

If a restaurant can require a dress code in order to eat there or a bar/club requiring one, why shouldn't airlines? However enforcing one would be nearly impossible for an airline considering the number of passengers they deal with on a daily basis.

If you look back to the 50s and 60s, folks even wore nice clothing when riding a bus or a train. The latter part of the 60s was when the shift began in earnest. Much like with the decline in men wearing hats, dressing up to travel began to follow.

There are limits to what really should be acceptable attire on an a/c. Any article of clothing that could be potentially offensive to other passengers (skimpy or tight-fitting outfits, clothing with provocative statements on them, etc.) should result in either the passenger being asked to cover up or change clothes. If they refuse, they can be denied boarding.

Personally, I don't fully buy the "comfort" argument that some use when it comes to what they wear on a flight. I've been on flights in which it looked like the person overslept and either wore what they slept in or threw on the first thing they could come across. Or they came to the airport straight from the gym. You can wear comfortable clothing that doesn't make it look like you don't care about your appearance.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 4):
But to be fair, just like in the hotel or restaurant industry, you could have different
standards across the market. you can turn up to McDonalds looking like trash and that's
okay, but if you go into a 5 star Michelin chef's restaurant you would expect a higher standard
of presentation.

Last year, I was out in Las Vegas with a group of friends and there was a restaurant at one of the casinos the group was wanting to eat at. We were all going to be wearing shorts and button down shirts (essentially golfing attire) and were told prior to the trip that shorts were not allowed per their dress code. It wasn't a big issue for the group, as there were plenty of other places for us to eat at. Now the group walks passed the same restaurant after having our meal elsewhere on the property and there are folks wearing jeans and t-shirts that are dining there. That irked a few of us in our group since we viewed that attire as being no different than what we were wearing. Some of us refuse to eat at that restaurant as a result.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:16 pm

This is not directly related to the link provided, but I believe I could still post this considering the other replies.

This is what I do on intercontinental flights. I dress nice and as always outside my home, try to look at least a little stylish. If I haven't had the chance to shower before the flight, I put on a fresh pair of socks and underwear and of course some deodorant. Then when the plane is in the air, I slip into the toilet and change into something more comfortable and take off the shoes. Prior to landing I put the nicer looking clothes back on and put the sweat pants and loose shirt back into the hand luggage. What I don't understand is why more people can't do this. Yes, it requires a little effort, but this way you can avoid embarassing yourself by looking trashy around other people and still be comfortable when sitting in your chair during the long hours of flying.

During shorter flights I simply feel just a little less comfortable in exchange for not looking like an idiot.

There should be definitely some clothing that should be banned from aircrafts. Shorts, flipflops, sleeveless t-shirts are on top of that list for me. It's almost never hot in an airport and especially on the plane, so there is no need to expose your discusting and smelly armpit hair to everyone and share the lovely smell of your feet. Also, on a sidenot, it's not that hard to wash your arm pits in the toilet before a flight, put on some deodorant and change your t-shirt. If you're one of those people who sweat a lot and whose sweat smells discusting, DO IT! No-one wants to smell your odour.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:34 pm

Quoting EricAY05 (Reply 27):
Shorts, flip-flops, sleeveless t-shirts are on top of that list for me. It's almost never hot in an airport and especially on the plane, so there is no need to expose your discussing and smelly armpit hair to everyone and share the lovely smell of your feet.

I have to disagree here. I have elite status and I wear flip-flops on flights all the time, and my feet smell a lot better having been in flip-flops all day long than the people's who get on the plane and immediately take off their stinky hot and sweaty shoes and leave them off for the duration of the flight. Sometimes, no less trying to put them under their own seat where my flip-flop wearing feet happen to be. These are often the same people that use the toilet wearing only socks, which baffles me completely.

I agree that if you can't wear it in a restaurant, you shouldn't be able to wear it on a plane. In an ideal world, deodorant would be mandatory as well as having brushed your teeth sometime in the last 8 hours.

Also, after seeing the condition of many bathrooms in Y toward the end of a 16+ hour long-haul flight, I would never ever consider trying to change clothes in one.

[Edited 2011-11-26 10:37:24]
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:06 pm

I've never been on a 16h flight, so I wouldn't know, but on all the 12h and shorter flights I've been on they have been just fine. Absolutely no problem changing your clothes unless you're really big or something.

This is btw something I never understood: what is so terrible about using the bathroom while wearing only socks and not shoes? You wear the socks, take them off and put a fresh pair on before you put on your shoes. Or you wear them until you get to the hotel or your home and immediately put them in the laundry bag. What is so terrible about this? It's not like you're going to walk around your home in those same socks all day. And if I see a bathroom floor with piss, I'm not using that bathroom no matter if I wear shoes or not.

When it comes to flipflops, I just don't think they should be used unless you're going to the beach or it's a really hot day and you're not in the city center or something. Just how I see it. Even in very hot and humid places like Singapore and Bangkok I always wear shoes with thin socks.

Stinky shoes is a problem, but if you don't use old shoes when travelling and change your socks frequently there isn't really a problem. And at least in US there are some great "shoe deodorants" available. So it all comes once again down to whether you are willing to make an effort in order to avoid upsetting your fellow passegers.
 
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RE: AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:57 am

Quoting EricAY05 (Reply 29):
I've never been on a 16h flight, so I wouldn't know, but on all the 12h and shorter flights I've been on they have been just fine. Absolutely no problem changing your clothes unless you're really big or something.

This is btw something I never understood: what is so terrible about using the bathroom while wearing only socks and not shoes? You wear the socks, take them off and put a fresh pair on before you put on your shoes. Or you wear them until you get to the hotel or your home and immediately put them in the laundry bag. What is so terrible about this? It's not like you're going to walk around your home in those same socks all day. And if I see a bathroom floor with piss, I'm not using that bathroom no matter if I wear shoes or not.

When it comes to flipflops, I just don't think they should be used unless you're going to the beach or it's a really hot day and you're not in the city center or something. Just how I see it. Even in very hot and humid places like Singapore and Bangkok I always wear shoes with thin socks.

Stinky shoes is a problem, but if you don't use old shoes when travelling and change your socks frequently there isn't really a problem. And at least in US there are some great "shoe deodorants" available. So it all comes once again down to whether you are willing to make an effort in order to avoid upsetting your fellow passegers.

I'm not 'really big' and do just fine in bathrooms, but can easily see how dirty and disgusting they get through a flight. We were once on a flight from CDG to YUL and there was a guy in the F+ bathroom for over 50 min puking all over the place. The place was destroyed.

Just do me a favor and actually look at the floor of the bathroom on your next long-haul flight (or sometimes it seems any flight). I think you'll see what I mean.

Also, expecting the normal passenger to change their shoes or socks to a clean pair just for a flight is a bit of a stretch.

I was in HKG 3 weeks ago, and loved wearing my typical ultra-long-haul attire of flip-flops and shorts and had no complaints. Especially from Delta, since there was yet again another 'medial emergency' that I helped out with.

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