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Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:39 am

Hi folks,

Just want to know your opinion on this concept of business class:


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The only way tolook at the window when the seat is moved to bed. But you are not able to do it while landing and takeoff - the most attractive part of the flight to look outside. In my eyes concept is just mad. However I've asked guys from JA and they told me - there were no any claims on that. What is the sense? More seats in BC? More comfort for the majority of customers?

What do you think about it?

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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:43 am

I also think it's mad.

Any "window" seat where you can't look out the window at any moment you want, from sit-down to deplaning, is a seat I have no interest in sitting in.

  
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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:05 am

Quoting FYODOR (Thread starter):
Just want to know your opinion on this concept of business class:



I think JET AIRWAYS is only following the global trend... Many airlines using this configuration:


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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:09 am

I know that. My question is general not about JA only - JA was just a fresh example.

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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:29 pm

I would enjoy the seat as I've only flown in Y, but speaking about the configuration, not really...
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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:44 pm

Quoting FYODOR (Thread starter):
the most attractive part of the flight to look outside.

Yes for many of us a.netters it is indeed very attractive to look outside, but the carriers doesn't design their products for our desires. We have to keep in mind that most passengers don't even bother to look out of the window even if they have a window seat.

The advantage of this design is that the airline can offer you a full flat bed instead of just a lie flat bed and for some pasengers this is more important than a window.
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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:08 pm

I flew on DL's 777LR in BusinessElite LAX-SYD in this configuration. I picked my seats carefully, knowing there was restricted window viewing due to the herringbone layout.
For the LAX-SYD leg, I choose seats in the center section as this segment is all at night in that dark until sunrise arrival in SYD. Granted I saw nothing of Australia on our approach, but enjoyed the quiet and privacy our seats in row 6 afforded for the long overnight flight. I observed that most window passengers did not even glance out during takeoff at LAX or approach and landing in SYD. I've never understood why people select window seats and promptly close the shade - other than to lean against the wall to sleep maybe.
On the return leg SYD-LAX, we selected window seats as several hours of flight was in daylight. It takes a twist and crook of neck to look out but a window fan will still enjoy the view......and put up with the effort to look out. As mentioned by others, I don't think airlines relate to customer's interest in looking out, or those of us who are entertained by sky, cloud, ocean, land and parts of airplane views. The herringbone design insures every seat has direct aisle access with the flat bed feature which is a big selling point to premium passengers.
I look forward to DL's new "reverse" herringbone layout which angles the seat towards the window. The best of both worlds for us window and aisle fans.
Overall, the service and comfort on this long flight was excellent, and we enjoyed the window seats more because we had light and views in comparison to the dark overnight flight. You can make it work in any regard, and as others have noted.....Boy so much more comfortable than further back!
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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:01 pm

Well, call me mad, but I love it. My favorite seat on TATL flights is 9A on an AC A330. It's not easy to see out the window (but doable), but there's so much privacy in exchange, I think it's great!

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 6):
I look forward to DL's new "reverse" herringbone layout which angles the seat towards the window. The best of both worlds for us window and aisle fans.

I hate reverse herringbone. Sure, you can see out the window, but someone can be standing behind you in the aisle staring down at you, and you'll never know until you turn around to look for yourself...

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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:38 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 7):
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 7):
hate reverse herringbone. Sure, you can see out the window, but someone can be standing behind you in the aisle staring down at you, and you'll never know until you turn around to look for yourself...

Aah Geez that's creepy. No more jokes about what goes on under that duvet. Thanks for sharing that tidbit blueflyer!
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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:11 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 1):
I also think it's mad.

Any "window" seat where you can't look out the window at any moment you want, from sit-down to deplaning, is a seat I have no interest in sitting in.

I doubt 1 in 100 passengers cares. People pay for flat-bed seats so they can sleep, not look out the window. Most frequent business travellers have flown so much, looking out the window isn't a priority. When I first started flying I always insisted on a window seat. Now I''m unhappy if I can't get an aisle seat.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 7):
Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 6):
I look forward to DL's new "reverse" herringbone layout which angles the seat towards the window. The best of both worlds for us window and aisle fans.

I hate reverse herringbone. Sure, you can see out the window, but someone can be standing behind you in the aisle staring down at you, and you'll never know until you turn around to look for yourself...

Also no privacy if you're using a laptop. For the same reasons I always hated office cubicles where you faced away from the entrance and people could sneak up behind you.
 
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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:54 pm

I've got the point regarding bed, however I feel myself fine in classic BC seats as well most of them on long-houl can be modified to bed - not a big win. As about comfort - it might be my personal psychologic thing, but I won't be much happy to travel in small 'coffin'. To have a space around me is kind of benefit.
 
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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:49 am

The first time I experienced such a configuration was on a VS A346 from LHR-LAX. What bothered me much more than not being able to look outside the window, as I've sort of grown to an attitude like

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Now I''m unhappy if I can't get an aisle seat.

was the fact that everybody who walks down the aisle looks right into your face. I can't close an eye feeling watched like that and was extremely let down, given the high expectations I was having.

On another occasion I burned some FF miles on BA on LHR-GRU-LHR and spent LHR-GRU flying backwards, GRU-LHR without windows. What a joke that was.

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RE: Who Would Enjoy This?

Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:00 am

I have flown a similar configuration on NZ 3 times. PVG-AKL , AKL-HKG, HKG-AKL. Every flight has been an overnight flight over water with nothing to look at. As much as I like to look out the window while I am at the airport I just love this configuration. True lie flat, no slippery slope. Direct aisle access for each seat.... I don't have to climb over anyone and they don't have to climb over me. I slept so well that the cabin crew on AKL-HKG actually had a hard time waking me for breakfast.

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