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My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:00 am

Hooboy.

I suspected things were too good to be true when I noodled around on AC's website and found a "round trip" YYZ-LHR fare for under $400

Yet, the selection of fares for the YYZ-LHR leg were all less than US$200 in "Tango Plus" And the LHR-YYZ fares were the same!!

So the ROUND TRIP fare came to $393!!!!!

Naturally, the cost of the ticket would be $961.95!!!!

For you see, there were $568.95 in "Taxes, Fees, y Charges" - none of which were itemamized or
explained. I clicked to view complete fare rules, and in the Surcharges section the only thing they really disclosed was the $15 "navigation fee" for transoceanic trips transiting Canada.

Obviously, I'm not even considering buying this itinerary - but can someone give me a quick run-down of the various extry charges that are apparently incurred (in this case, exceeding the fare itself) when booking a transatlantic-type trip?

Thanks.
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RE: My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:32 pm

..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
 
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RE: My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:21 pm

The full disclosure of taxes and fees are available on the AC website, on the schedule and fare page once you've selected your travel dates, flights and final price by clicking on "View Quote Details" and before you confirm and purchase.
The taxes and fees include security charges, custom and immigration charges, and possibly fuel surcharges. Again, each amount is outlined and explained in the about noted display.
DL has recently added an "international surcharge" and the amount is clearly noted with all the other taxes. They basically lowered the base fares, but by adding or breaking out the surcharge can allocate that revenue amount to other charges such as fuel. The final amounts are the same, but the base fare is always the advertised amount of a ticket, with the disclaimer that additional taxes and fees may apply.
The final fees would include any special seat requests or pre-paid baggage charges at the point of purchase.
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RE: My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:48 am

An easy way to get a detailed breakdown of taxes/fees/fuel surcharges is to use the ITA Software site (now owned by Google). They power many airline website booking engines. When you select an itinerary there's a link to fare details. For a random AC total fare of $1011 YYZ-LHR-YYZ for a couple of dates in February, the breakdown is as follows:

Fare $429
Fuel surcharge $380
Those two amounts are what AC keeps, total $809.

Then come the government taxes and airport fees:

Toronto Airport Improvement Fee $25.00
Canadian Harmonized Sales Tax $3.25 (that's the combined federal GST and Ontario provincial tax on the $25 AIF)
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge $25.91
United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty $98.50
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge $50.30

Total airfare & taxes CA$1,011.96

Note that for travel to/from the UK, by far the highest government taxes are those levied by the UK government (and they're increasing again soon). Go anywhere else in Europe and the taxes will be much lower. Total Canadian government taxes and airport fees are only a little over $54 on that itinerary.
 
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RE: My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:56 pm

The fundamental point is that you consider $1000c/£600 too much to pay for travelling 7000 miles. Airline costs along with everything else keep climbing, fuel in particular is double what is was a few years back, yet some passengers still expect bargain basement fares.
 
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RE: My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:00 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
The fundamental point is that you consider $1000c/£600 too much to pay for travelling 7000 miles...some passengers still expect bargain basement fares.

Well, not to be reactive or anything, but I'm not banging a gavel and telling the industry that US$1,000 is too much. All I was saying was that it's more than I can currently spend.

[Edited 2011-12-16 17:03:33]
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RE: My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:52 pm

why not book with Candian affair. less money and more legroom
 
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RE: My First Tatl Ticket! Shall Have To Wait

Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:39 pm

I just went to Madrid from SFO a couple weeks ago. I purchased a ticket on Continental's website and here was my fare breakdown:
Airfare: 209.00 USD
U.S. Customs User Fee: 5.50
U.S. Immigration User Fee: 7.00
U.S. APHIS User Fee: 5.00
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax: 32.60
September 11th Security Fee: 10.00
Spain Departure Charge: 10.30
Spain Security Tax: 3.00
Germany Airport Security Charge: 8.90
Germany Passenger Service Charge: 25.40
Fuel Surcharge: 440.00
U.S. Passenger Facility Charge: 13.50
eTicket Total: 770.20 USD
The airfare you paid on this itinerary totals: 209.00 USD
The taxes, fees, and surcharges paid total: 561.20 USD


I'm again flying SFO-MAD next week on US Airways, and this is their fare breakdown:
1 Adult $669.00 USD
Taxes + fees $88.50 USD
Fare total $757.50 USD


I think the whole fuel surcharge thing is a bit crazy and should just be included in the original fare.

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