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Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:53 pm

My first posting here, so: hallo, everybody!

What are the possibilities to have a wide-body flight within Europe? I know of:
MAD-FRA-MAD 343 LA,
MAD-LHR-MAD 346/343 IB,
MUC-MAN-MUC 773 SQ,
MAD-TFN-MAD and MAD-LPA-MAD 346/343 IB and 332 UX,
LHR-MAD-LHR 767 BA (Winter season),
LIS-Azores-LIS 330 TP (a recent photo on airliners.net; or was it a charter flight?).

Can this list be lengthened/supplemented?

The question is about *regular*, scheduled flights, available well in advance in the
reservations systems (and websites), for buying a possibly inexpensive ticket.

Best regards to everyone.

PS. 1. BA is supposed, AFAIK, to commence LHR-MOW-LHR on 744.

2. The Forum system does show some similar topics, but the last posting
in the "most fitting one" was in Jan. 2009.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:18 pm

BA will operate LHR DME with the Longhaul 76 and the 747

GLA gets the 767 on the morning flights.
MAD, BCN, LCA, AMS and a few other euro routes also see the 76.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting Mgyckn (Thread starter):
LIS-Azores-LIS 330 TP (a recent photo on airliners.net; or was it a charter flight?).

No, it is not a charter flight, it is scheduled. TP fly to TER with the a332 on Mondays and wednesdays, I believe.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:28 pm

TOM fly 767's from LGW and MAN during the summer season to PMI, VRN, TFS, ACE, MAH, LPA, DLM, RHO and maybe a few others I am forgetting. Flights are usually bookable about a year in advance.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:39 pm

BA operates LHR-ARN daily with the 763.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:44 pm

You have TK that sends their widebody aircraft to LHR/Germany.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 1):
MAD, BCN, LCA, AMS and a few other euro routes also see the 76.

One of BA's LHR-AMS-LHR flights (BA430/431) is currently a 763 (Monday through Friday only).
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:53 pm

Last season Austrian was doing Vienna to Catania (Sicily) once a week with the 767 but I don't see it reloaded for this year (yet).
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:31 pm

EI A330 Dublin to Malaga daily.

Finnair also send widebodies to the canaries but i don't know if they are just charters.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:59 pm

LHR-CDG with the A380 when BA start crew training?  
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:04 pm

Okay this may not sort of really count but I will say anyway. British Airways use the 772 on the LGW-MAN and back when the 734's go tech. I would just dream the day when I go for a 40 minute flight and end up seeing a 777 waiting at the gate.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
You have TK that sends their widebody aircraft to LHR/Germany

TK is operating widebody's all over Europe on an non scheduled base. I don't now if it still exist but LHR is the only Euro destination which receives TK widebody's on scheduled basis. All other Euro flights are ad-hoc upgrades and especially during Summer- and Haijj Season's

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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:42 pm

Kuwait Airways CDG-FCO-CDG

Quoting alasdair1982 (Reply 9):
LHR-CDG with the A380 when BA start crew training?

AF style ? That would be cool indeed !
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 8):
Finnair also send widebodies to the canaries but i don't know if they are just charters.

Yes A333 charters to LPA.
AY occasionally use widebodies in the domestic service, from HEL to the airports on Lapland. Last Monday January 2nd they had A340 on HEL-RVN, more common in the spring time during the ski season.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:03 pm

BA flies LHR-DUS-LHR and LHR-FRA-LHR on the 763 (flew BA902 to FRA on G-BZHC last February)
I think Kuwait flies GVA-FRA on the 343. Then there's SQ MUC-MAN-MUC on the 77W (full routing SIN-MUC-MAN-MUC-SIN).
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting flyingfool (Reply 11):
TK is operating widebody's all over Europe on an non scheduled base. I don't now if it still exist but LHR is the only Euro destination which receives TK widebody's on scheduled basis.

LHR receives 330/343/77W regularly, often twice-daily it seems.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:48 pm

BA uses the B763 on the flights to Cyprus.
CY also uses the A330 during the summer season.
TP LIS-FNC is also served by the A332 on certain days as route continues to CCS.
CY also uses the A330 during the summer season.
ET uses B767 from FCO-ARN
Few more that i can't think right now.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:01 pm

EK still runs LCA-MLA-LCA with a 332, AFAIK
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:45 pm

LX will run several A330 to BRU, DUS and HAJ for crew training.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting santos (Reply 16):
CY also uses the A330 during the summer season.

The A332 are to be phased out this month after having been employed on a vast number of troop charters for the British Forces in recent months.

On the positive side:

KU FCO - CDG - FCO with A306 or A343 - cheap(ish) tickets oneway FCO to CDG
KE VIE - ZRH (oneway only as part of ICN-VIE-ZRH-ICN routing) 744

Additionally, widebodies from DE and AB also are flown around within Europe (B763 resp A332/A333).
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:50 am

Quoting santos (Reply 16):
ET uses B767 from FCO-ARN

It is operated by the 757 not the 767.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:57 am

AIR CHINA A330 MUC-ATH-MUC
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:33 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 18):
LX will run several A330 to BRU, DUS and HAJ for crew training.


Sandro, do you have more info about the dates and schedules ?
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:04 am

Quoting HT (Reply 19):
The A332 are to be phased out this month after having been employed on a vast number of troop charters for the British Forces in recent months.

OT: According to this local forum 5B-DBS and 5B-DBT made a total of 57 apperances at HAJ in 2011 (see chart #3) , all flown as troop charters for the British Forces.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:17 pm

Quoting airtrainer (Reply 22):
do you have more info about the dates and schedules ?

I may be of help here:
LX1018/9 ZRH1225 DUS1345/1450 ZRH1610 on Jan 18, 19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31
LX1026/7 ZRH1745 DUS1905/1950 ZRH2100 on Jan 19, 20, 23, 26, 27, 30
LX786/7 ZRH0720 BRU0845/0955 ZRH1110 on Jan 18, 24, 25, 31

Nothing found for HAJ. Didn't check for Feb yet but stumbled on two LHR flights.

LX326/7 ZRH1705 LHR1750/1840 ZRH2130 on Feb 10
LX316/7 ZRH0710 LHR0805/0850 ZRH1140 on Feb 11

Subject to change. Source: LX website
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:11 pm

SQ ATH-IST on the 777-200ER
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 25):
SQ ATH-IST on the 777-200ER

And SQ MAN - MUC
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting santos (Reply 26):

And SQ MAN - MUC

Yes, but that is operated by the 77W.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 27):

Still a widebody tho.  
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 24):


I may be of help here:
LX1018/9 ZRH1225 DUS1345/1450 ZRH1610 on Jan 18, 19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31
LX1026/7 ZRH1745 DUS1905/1950 ZRH2100 on Jan 19, 20, 23, 26, 27, 30
LX786/7 ZRH0720 BRU0845/0955 ZRH1110 on Jan 18, 24, 25, 31

Nothing found for HAJ. Didn't check for Feb yet but stumbled on two LHR flights.

LX326/7 ZRH1705 LHR1750/1840 ZRH2130 on Feb 10
LX316/7 ZRH0710 LHR0805/0850 ZRH1140 on Feb 11

Subject to change. Source: LX website


Thank you so much for your help !
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:10 am

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 24):
Nothing found for HAJ

I think I had seen an announcement that the LX A330 was to be employed to HAJ during the upcoming fair DOMOTEX being held from 14-JAN to 19-JAN on selected flights, but at the moment I only see A320/A321 instead of ARJ plying the route.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:57 pm

Thanks for all the replies.

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 10):
Okay this may not sort of really count but I will say anyway. British Airways use the 772 on the LGW-MAN and back when the 734's go tech. I would just dream the day when I go for a 40 minute flight and end up seeing a 777 waiting at the gate.

What exactly does it mean "go tech"? A scheduled check? But then its date would be known in advance. A sudden malfunction? But then a replacement would be "what is available", and not predictably and every time a 772.

As for the LX A333 crew training flights: "subject to change" is probably a general standing rule,   but these flights are indeed written in the reservations systems, and available e.g. at Expedia. And indeed, they are not very cheap - but it is possible to lower the price when combining with another flight(s), like e.g. a connection from WAW to catch the flight to LHR.

Ah, and for the KE route ICN-VIE-ZRH-ICN, it will be on 744 in the Summer season; in Winter it is on 332 (or perhaps this depends on the specific day - I checked a few "random" dates).

[Edited 2012-01-13 16:02:16]
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting Mgyckn (Reply 31):
Ah, and for the KE route ICN-VIE-ZRH-ICN, it will be on 744 in the Summer season;

But I think 263,50€ for a ow from VIE to ZRH is far too much, even for a B744...
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:02 pm

I just read on another airline route website (not sure if I'm allowed to mention the name) that QR stops the nonstop A319 flightt from DOH to STR from 25MAR, but extends the existing A330-Service DOH-ZRH to STR 3 times a week. Means, that there will be a A330 service ZRH-STR-ZRH with QR.
I went into Amadeus to see if they have local right on the ZRH-STR-ZRH legs, and aparently they have. However no fares are loaded (yet), only full fares Y and C class, which are ridiculous. We should keep an eye on that and see if they will load something in the coming days/weeks.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:41 pm

Quoting reifel (Reply 33):
Means, that there will be a A330 service ZRH-STR-ZRH with QR.

From what is being said in a German forum, QR has no traffic rights between ZRH and STR v/v.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 34):

From what is being said in a German forum, QR has no traffic rights between ZRH and STR v/v.

Makes sense to me... Strangely if I would issue a ticket in Amadeus for that sector in full fare eco or business today, it would be a valid ticket and technically absolutely possible. It even shows availabilty on the segments... Amadeus doesn't show me it has no local right and does not show me that is is subject to governmental approval. I guess we need to wait and see...
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:59 am

Quoting Mgyckn (Reply 31):
What exactly does it mean "go tech"? A scheduled check? But then its date would be known in advance. A sudden malfunction? But then a replacement would be "what is available", and not predictably and every time a 772.

Go tech means when the aircraft has a problem and cannot fly for whatever reason that may be. Well it would mostly be a good chance of a 777 because here at LGW, BA only uses quite a small fleet of 734's.. So it would come around to a good chance of a 777 because the 737's are mostly being used on all the other routes. Obviously it wouldn't happen loads of times but it has happened a few times last year and in the past.

I don't know why they don't just use the 777 for all the routes, haha would make alot of people happy.  
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:06 am

British holiday airline Monarch, ZB, sends their A300's from LGW/MAN/LTN to a number of tourist destinations around the med. I believe PMI sees them most.
 
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:07 am

Quoting Mgyckn (Thread starter):
LIS-Azores-LIS 330 TP

There's also LIS-PDL on SATA Internacional's A310, if memory serves.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:45 am

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 37):
British holiday airline Monarch, ZB, sends their A300's from LGW/MAN/LTN to a number of tourist destinations around the med. I believe PMI sees them most.

Yes Monarch mostly uses the A300's and sometimes the A332's to PMI, AGP ALC in Spain. Also they use the heavies alot to the Canaries, ACE and TFS got the A330 alot and with the A300 going to the Canaries often in general.


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Also with all the same routes Thomson use the 763 often and Thomas Cook used to send the A332's to the Canaries.
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RE: Wide-body Flights Within Europe

Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:27 am

Well, nearly Europe...

RAM will operate on selected days only B767-300 from Dusseldorf to Nador.

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