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Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:26 am

We are well into January and I think it is time we reignited our discussion about classic and rare aircraft which we may be able fly in 2012.

Already on the table for 2012 are tours to North Korea which are aimed at aviation enthusiasts and feature flights on the IL-62M, IL-18, An-24RV & Tu-154B2 with Air Koryo. The latter sub-type is a new one for me and will be something special, but then the whole trip should be. Air Koryo also still operate a Tu-134 which I would have also liked to see in the itinerary, having still not flown the type yet.

It also looks like a DC-8 flight may be organised for enthusiasts in May, which hopefully we should have confirmation of soon.

The venerable Saha Air B707s are apparently still active in Iran, but for how long no one quite knows since Saha are already operating the A300-600 alongside the B707s. There still appear to be a small number of B727-200s operating in Iran with Iran Aseman Airlines and Iran Air.

The Iran Air B747-SPs are still very much active on flights to IST, BOM, PEK, KUL and BKK. The Iran Air B747-100 and -200s are also still active, although do not usually get scheduled for any particular routes - often filling in here and there for other types and operating Hajj/Umrah flights.

Biman are still operating three DC-10-30s, S2-ACO/CP/CR on flights to the Gulf and HKG. All three have been noted active (and flown on by various members of this forum) in the past few weeks.

Good news from Kenya in that the 1965-built East African Safari Air Express DC-9-14 5Y-XXA (line no. 19) has emerged from a check with a fresh coat of paint and will be operating alongside the F28-4000 on flights to Hargeisa and Mogadishu, as well as hopefully operating some domestic flights on behalf of Fly540. Sister ship 5Y-XXB (line no. 4) has been stripped for spares.

I believe that this year could be one of the last for the Tu-154, apart perhaps from Air Koryo. Whilst looking for TU3 flights in Russia this week, I did not happen to notice a single TU5 flight. Does anyone know any remaining operators and routes?


My personal priority now is the Tu-134, but this is now very difficult with only a handful remaining in service in Russia. I have found a couple of sectors on which UTAir are still showing TU3 as the equipment for Jan/Feb (VKO-SCW & LED-SCW) as well as UFA-NUX with Yamal Airlines (YC). If anyone knows of any other sectors or carriers, I would certainly appreciate the information. I had planned to go to Kyrgystan to fly the Altyn Air Tu-134, but sadly it crashed upon landing at OSS in late December.


I hope this thread generates some good ideas, tips and information as similar threads have in the past. Looking forward to your input.

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:28 am

Great thread ! Here an incomplete list of other classic airliners which are supposed to be operating.
Boeing 727; apart from Iran, scheduled flights are still undertaken in Bolivia with Aerosur and TAM, most likely between La Paz, Sucre, Cochabamba and Santa Cruz. Also Ariana Afghan still flies a few.
Fokker F-27; TAM Bolivia still uses one, they might even take a 2nd F-27 Friendship on routes from La Paz, on the same routes as MA-60s but their La Paz office can tell in advance where they've scheduled them.
Fokker F-28; Biman and Myanma still have one or two operational. I flew Bimans in november between Sylhet and Dhaka. LADE Argentina still flies the rare -1000 series.
BAe-748; Air North continues to use them from Whitehorse Canada
Convair 580; In Canada, Nolinor and Kelowna only uses them on charters. Scheduled flights are in New Zealand; Auckland-Napier-Chathams, and in Tonga (any recent reports?). According to one source, TAM Bolivia is still using one on routes in the 'lowlands' but as far as I know they retired the last ones about 4 years ago. Any reports are welcome
Last year, Malu Aviation was flying a Nord-262 and later maybe a G-159 between Goma and Kisangani, DR Congo. I am looking at flying on these but I am worried about the unrest in the area.
Il-18; apart from Air Koryo, the Daallo flights between Jeddah , Djibouti and/or Hargeisha might still run. Ian do you know more?
Il-96; only Aeroflot and Cubana remain faithful passenger operators
Il-114; only Uzbekistan Airways operate them
Preservation groups have DC-3s, a Super Constellation, DC-7, Catalina/Canso, DH-104 Dove, An-2s, and B-17, B-25 and even B-29 available if you donate or become a member. Fly them when you can.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:30 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Il-18; apart from Air Koryo, the Daallo flights between Jeddah , Djibouti and/or Hargeisha might still run. Ian do you know more?

Yes, definately still operating Daallo Airlines and Jubba Airways flights beyond Djibouti (JIB) to Hargeisa (HGA), Mogadishu (MGQ), etc.

A couple of us flew UP-I1801 in October JIB-HGA-JIB. UP-I1802 (which I flew JED-HGA a couple of years earlier) & UP-I1803 were both also at HGA, under maintenance:

UP-I1803 & UP-I1802, viewed from UP-I1801
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EX-601 Parked and UP-I1801 Arriving
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Thread starter):
It also looks like a DC-8 flight may be organised for enthusiasts in May, which hopefully we should have confirmation of soon.

Ahh bother, that's finals month for me, so I won't be going anywhere.


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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:11 pm

Hi Ian,

Great to see this thread back up and running....
I'm speaking with the 'Cedarjet' constantly, and we can't think of many more than already has been added..

maybe

Orient-Thai.... Still flying the unigue 747-100SUD...?
AeroMajestic...plans to put a YS11 on regular pax runs within the Phillipines...


keep on adding...

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting tugmaster (Reply 4):
Orient-Thai.... Still flying the unigue 747-100SUD...?

the 100SUD is seen rusting away without engines. Orient-Thai still flies some 747-300s but unfortunately their daily BKK-HKG flight is now done by a 767-300. Talking about 747 classics; Saudi Arabian flies some 300s to Jakarta and India. Transaero have some but not sure if and on which regular routes
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting tugmaster (Reply 4):
AeroMajestic...plans to put a YS11 on regular pax runs within the Phillipines...

Well, they never started flying besides a "media flight". Their website is still active but there are no activities actually. Talked to them in november and they said "sir, we are rescheduling our flights" which is nothing but an excuse for "sorry we won´t operate in the future ..."

Still, Zest Air (Z2) operates 3 MA-60´s on domestic route out of MNL beside their fleet of A 320´s.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:23 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Preservation groups have DC-3s,

You should still be able to get a regular (6* weekly) scheduled flight in a DC-3 from YHY to YZF

http://buffaloairways.com/passenger-service
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Convair 580; In Canada, Nolinor and Kelowna only uses them on charters

As far as I know, all the Kelowna Convair's have been converted to freighters, tankers or sold - none operate pax flights anymore. One is now a rare 5800(F) and normally daystops at YVR.

I am thinking about organizing a YVR meet this year once the weather improves and possibly getting together some classic flights.

I have three ideas

1) Shorts 360 flight to Port Hardy for a ride on the Grumman G21 Goose - both with 8P

2) Charter the Van City Air Beech 18 on floats to Sproat Lake to see the Martin Mars

3) Charter an Air North HS748 (assuming they will be at YVR again this summer doing the fishing charters) during its downtime during the day to either Nanaimo or possibly Port Alberni (only 3952' runway) again to see the Mars.

Any interest?
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:12 pm

I personally think about going to D.R. Congo (Kinshasa) because I am fascinated by the Nord 262 and Malu aviation has the last flying one of that type. There are some other interesting things to fly there as well, possibly a DC-9 or a G-159 Gulfstream prop. I considered going in february but I feel uncomfortable due to safety issues in Congo to travel by myself. If 1 to 3 people like to join me sometime in the next two years let me know here or by PM.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 8):
Any interest?

Sounds good... I'll definitely come back in YVR one day, but I can't commit on a date this year. But please post on the forum if your plans materialize and I can see if I can manage. Maybe you can work together with the classicjettours.com people to do joint PR
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:42 pm

Syrianair apparently still flies the:

B 727

and

747 SP

http://www.syriaair.com/AboutSAA/Fleet/tabid/56/Default.aspx
 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 10):
Syrianair apparently still flies the:
B 727
and
747 SP
http://www.syriaair.com/AboutSAA/Fle....aspx

This is rather out of date.

The B727s were retired in about 2006.

The B747-SPs were stored in around 2008. They were ferried to RUH for overhaul about 18 months ago for overhaul with a view to re-entering service and were actually scheduled for some RB flights from last August, but this got delayed and eventually those flights showed as A320s again, so there must have been delays in releasing them from maintenance. I noted them in RUH at the beginning of December without engines and rudders. I guess the political situation in Syria means they are unlikely to re-enter service any time soon, if at all.
 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 8):
I have three ideas

1) Shorts 360 flight to Port Hardy for a ride on the Grumman G21 Goose - both with 8P

2) Charter the Van City Air Beech 18 on floats to Sproat Lake to see the Martin Mars

3) Charter an Air North HS748 (assuming they will be at YVR again this summer doing the fishing charters) during its downtime during the day to either Nanaimo or possibly Port Alberni (only 3952' runway) again to see the Mars.

Any interest?

I would be interested to find out more after you have contacted Van City Air and Air North, i.e. indicative prices, minimum pax numbers, etc.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 9):
I personally think about going to D.R. Congo (Kinshasa) because I am fascinated by the Nord 262 and Malu aviation has the last flying one of that type. There are some other interesting things to fly there as well, possibly a DC-9 or a G-159 Gulfstream prop. I considered going in february but I feel uncomfortable due to safety issues in Congo to travel by myself. If 1 to 3 people like to join me sometime in the next two years let me know here or by PM.

A forum member went there and flew the N-262 last year. He apparently had some issues - the words 'I was assaulted X times' rings a bell from his feedback at the time. If you send me a PMwith your e-mail address I will send you his feedback from the trip.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 12):
A forum member went there and flew the N-262 last year.

I know him (DK) well, I emailed him a lot about Congo too... Pity I didn't know about his trip in time. Exact reason why I will try and find a travel mate if I ever go there. The friends I hired a C-46 with last year aren't really interested in Africa.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Thread starter):
The Iran Air B747-SPs are still very much active on flights to IST, BOM, PEK, KUL and BKK. The Iran Air B747-100 and -200s are also still active, although do not usually get scheduled for any particular routes

I want to go on the Iran Air SP.
Istanbul looks like a good possibility.

I flew on the SP before. I like this plane. This is probably the last chance to fly on one again.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting MHG (Reply 6):
Well, they never started flying besides a "media flight". Their website is still active but there are no activities actually. Talked to them in november and they said "sir, we are rescheduling our flights" which is nothing but an excuse for "sorry we won´t operate in the future ..."

Interesting info, thanks for sharing. I was trying to get hold of them but impossible. They run a facebook page and I asked them to post their schedule, no reply either. Still got to nail the YS-11 somehow.....

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:28 pm

What about the Buffalo Airways DC-3 from Yellow Knife to Hai River?

And don't forget Cuba.
I've flown on Aerogaviota An-26 this week (10 Th January 2012) from Cayo Largo to Havana (watch the video in the topic in this forum).
Also possible to fly Aerocaribean Emb-110 frim Varadero to Cayo Largo and Aerogaviota Mi-8 from Varadero to Trinidad.
Seems the Cubana Yak-42 is not flying anymore (I had a Havana - Santiago de Cuba flight booked on January 12 th but they changed the Yak for B-737 and I canceled the flight).
An Aerocaribean Yak-40 was still scheduled last month on Cubana flight from Havana to Camaguey but it seems this flight is now ATR-72 operated........



The Aerogaviota An-26 topic is archived. I'm going to put the video in a new topic in the "trip report".

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 16):
What about the Buffalo Airways DC-3 from Yellow Knife to Hai River?

I'd like to do that myself but I do wonder how long Transport Canada will allow old Joe to keep operating those old DC-3s over Great Slave Lake with paying customers on board. Will be a sad day when it comes to an end but I can see the authorities finding a way to force Buffalo's hand to either modernise or quit passenger ops to Hay River

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Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:57 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
I flew on the SP before. I like this plane. This is probably the last chance to fly on one again

Might be easier to become a high roller with the Sands Casino? More expensive of course, but in general a lower chance of encountering grey painted pointy jets. (Although that might allow some great A to A photos).
(At least I think Sands is still operating them - but I haven't seen one since I was in IFP on way to Havasu a couple of years ago)
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:42 pm

There seems to be a new airline operating a non-ER 767-200 from Guyana to JFK. That is quite a rare aircraft nowadays.
What other options are there today to fly on a 767-200 (non ER)?


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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 19):
What other options are there today to fly on a 767-200 (non ER)?

How about Business Air from Thailand? They had a few 767-200s non ER active in 2011, but also operate(d) the -300ER
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:06 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 19):
There seems to be a new airline operating a non-ER 767-200 from Guyana to JFK. That is quite a rare aircraft nowadays.
What other options are there today to fly on a 767-200 (non ER)?
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 20):
How about Business Air from Thailand? They had a few 767-200s non ER active in 2011, but also operate(d) the -300ER

Very interesting news, thanks for posting. There are in fact no options for a scheduled service except this new operator. Jet Asia Airways in BKK seems to be charter only and Business Air retired HS-BIA a few months back, so this option is gone. I was lucky to snatch a ride on BIA last year. And I saw Gabon Airlines has one of its two 767-222 stored in Addis since a few months and they were chartering a HiFly A310 for a while.
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:16 pm

It seems Air Seychelles are still operating a Shorts 360 on some SEZ-PRI rotations. This is a good alternative to western Canada.

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Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:15 pm

It's a shame that it isn't possible to get on any of these aircraft without visiting some desolate warzone or being on the other side of the world.

Some more local flights that may be a little more accessible:

Manx2's LET-410s, operating on flights from BLK-IOM-BHD, and their Do228s operating on flights from GLO and CWL-HLY.

NextJet Sweden's ATPs operting ARN-GEV, although they are being swapped for ATRs from April, so get there quick.

MON have A300-600s but their route allocation isn't really publicised so difficult to know what routes they operate, they seem to do most of their flying from LGW and MAN though

SAS still have 3 x MD87s and I'll hopefully be on one on Monday.

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 23):
NextJet Sweden's ATPs operting ARN-GEV, although they are being swapped for ATRs from April,

Already changing from this week (!!!). DanubeWings ATR-72 is operating ARN-GEV from now on behalf of NextJet.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 23):
MON have A300-600s but their route allocation isn't really publicised so difficult to know what routes they operate, they seem to do most of their flying from LGW and MAN though

At least they do operate a flight to GVA in the current winter schedule, on Sunday morning. Don't know if this is from LGW or MAN.

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Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 24):
Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 23):NextJet Sweden's ATPs operting ARN-GEV, although they are being swapped for ATRs from April,
Already changing from this week (!!!). DanubeWings ATR-72 is operating ARN-GEV from now on behalf of NextJet.

But instead the ATP will fly on the BMA-VXO route, starting today. Will be flying on the ATP from VXO-BMA on March 1st, after flying down to THN on a Golden air Saab 340B.
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 25):
But instead the ATP will fly on the BMA-VXO route, starting today.

Do you have any additional infos on that? I can't seem to be able to book that through their web site.
For how much longer will the ATP fly with them?

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Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 26):
Do you have any additional infos on that? I can't seem to be able to book that through their web site.
For how much longer will the ATP fly with them?

Nextjet operates the flight on behalf on Flysmåland

http://www.flysmaland.com/mainmenu/book.aspx


Here is the article about the increased capacity (only in Swedish)

http://www.flysmaland.com/huvudmeny/...view_pressrelease&nd_id=721078


The ATP will be used on the morning/evening flights while the Saab 340 will operate the off peak flights. A few weeks ago I emailed them and they confirmed that the ATP will be used on almost all their departures except one or two each day. I am not sure for how long they will keep flying the ATP, but the article makes it seem as a long term upgrade.

This is by far the cheapest option to fly on the ATP. A one way ticket on this route costs around €40 while Nextjet charges €70 (one way) on their flights operated by the ATP.


It is a great opportunity to fly on the ATP. One can combine it with a Saab 2000 or 340 A/B flight out of BMA, which is what I will do. Will fly down on the Saab 340B to THN (hopefully they wont change it to a SF340A!) and then take the train to VXO before flying back to BMA on the ATP.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 15):
Any updates on illusive Baltia Air Lines?

Doesn't look promising. Last I heard, California Pacific Airlines (CP Air) was the only legitimate entity seeking FAA certification at present. If anyone could confirm or correct that would be appreciated.

Baltia took delivery of a pax configured 747 a while back but their website now includes an "airfreight" section...perhaps they realized their business model is rather laughable and they are going to begin ops as a cargo-only carrier?

Quoting Be77 (Reply 18):
At least I think Sands is still operating them - but I haven't seen one since I was in IFP on way to Havasu a couple of years ago

I heard through the grapevine that one of the Sands 747SPs was seen at MFM as recent as a couple months ago. Purely a rumour I heard though.
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:52 pm

What about Arvidsjaur? I'm currently booked on their ATP on February 20.

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Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting Skyeurope (Reply 29):
What about Arvidsjaur? I'm currently booked on their ATP on February 20.

Still showing as an ATP in the GDS, hopefully you will be lucky and it will still be the ATP!  
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 26):
For how much longer will the ATP fly with them?

I flew on two routes last month, ARN-Vilhelmina and Lycksele-ARN, see my tripreport, the pilots said they would use them for a few years more. The reallocation of one of the ARN based ATPs to another route BMA-VXO is being covered by the wetleased ATR. NextJet has another ATP which is reported being prepared for passenger services, so there's nothing to worry about.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:58 pm

Does anyone know where Pacific Coastal's Grumman Goose flies to? It doesn't appear in their published schedules.


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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:36 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 32):
Does anyone know where Pacific Coastal's Grumman Goose flies to?

The "Float Division" page lists the destinations.that would be served. Most of the destinations are pretty small, so the equipement choice for each flight is probably set by loads (both freight and pax).
If you did want to experience it, I imagine a call would get you more info...and since you probably don't really care about the destination (no self respecting A.nut does), then you could probably go standby on any trip that they rolled out a Goose for.
Note - any VFR flight in that part of the world is going to be a visual treat - it is spectacular...

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:01 pm

Any help appreciated please:

I'm visiting Russia in September 2012 and am hoping to fly some classic Russian aircraft, e.g. the Tu154 (very hard to get now...), Yak-42 and possibly others.

I already have flights booked on the A148 with Rossiya, Su100 with Aeroflot, Tu204 with Vladivostok Air and IL96 with Aeroflot, however these are all modern (or fairly modern!)

I will be free in Moscow on the 14, 15, 16 September and St Petersburg on the 18, 19, 20 September. So I can book day trips from these cities on these dates.

Anyone have some advice or news about airlines/routes?
 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 34):
I will be free in Moscow on the 14, 15, 16 September and St Petersburg on the 18, 19, 20 September. So I can book day trips from these cities on these dates.

You can go for joy rides on Sukhoi 27 or Migs if you have the money.

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/migs/

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/edge-of-space-intro.html

 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:09 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 32):
Does anyone know where Pacific Coastal's Grumman Goose flies to?

They are based in Port Hardy along with the Beaver's - they have 4 at the moment, though I dont know how many are flying right now as it is quiet time. They mostly fly to various lodges and resorts, activity is mostly in summer. Heres the destinations.

Aacteon Sound, Allison Sound Belize, Creasy Bay, Chief Nolas, Frederick Bay, Long Lake, McKinnon Lagoon,
Mereworth Sound, Nugent Sound, Seymour/Slingsby, Strachen Bay, Trevor Lake, Warner Bay, Woods Lagoon,
Wyclees/Long Lake Anchor Cove, Big Spring, Blackgold, Boswell, Bucks Camp, Burnt Island Harbour, Coopers Cove, Dawsons Landing,
Draney Inlet, Duncanby, Eberts/Moses, Fishegg, Fishegg Inlet, Fishhook Bay, Pierce Bay, Finn Bay, Frederick Sound,
Goodhope/Salmon King, Hoy Point, Goosebay, Hardy Inlet, Johnsons Bay, Kilbella Bay, McNair Creek, Naysash,
Nekite, Rivers Inlet, Wuikinuxv.Doc Creek, Gennesse, Hakai Pass, Jenny Inlet, Kwatna, Marabelle, Machmell, Namu, Ocean Falls, Oles, Quatalena,
Sheemahant, Wallace Bay.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 22):
This is a good alternative to western Canada.

The last 8P SH6 C-GPCF has now been parked as its due mx. If numbers pick up for this summer, it may return to service for one more season but its not promised. GPCW is stored in the hanger and is timed out, will never fly again.



I will make enquiries about a flight on the 4N HS748 ex YVR and the Vancity B18 in the next month or so once summer schedules & contracts are getting finalized.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:11 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
You can go for joy rides on Sukhoi 27 or Migs if you have the money.

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/migs/

http://www.incredible-adventures.com....html

Hah, I actually looked into that 
 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:45 am

Quoting Be77 (Reply 33):
.and since you probably don't really care about the destination (no self respecting A.nut does),

So true... I showed up at Nairobi airport yesterday asking JetLink; where is your F-28 going today? Mombasa or Kisumu? Only Kisumu, ok I'll buy a one way ticket to Kisumu. The CSR girl didn't stop laughing for 5 minutes....
So here's an update from Kenya... from boring Kisumu , the only reason I'm here is the F-28.
the very old DC-9-14 5Y-XXA is flying daily these days. 4 days a week, East African sells its own tickets to Hargeisha and Mogadishu, and the other days it's standby for Fly540... It often does Kisumu-Eldoret-Nairobi-Mombasa-Zanzibar flights. I had a jumpseat flight friday after I told the only reason I flew on it !
Also an F-28 is flying for Fly540, this week it's grounded with some hydraulic problems. But otherwise it's also regularly operated on above destinations (Kisumi, Zanzibar, Mobasa).
JetLink also has an F-28, a unique -6000 with single overwing doors and different slats, it mainly flies Nairobi-Kisumu and occasionally to Mobasa.
An acquantaince of mine flew on the Malu Aviation Nord-262 from Goma this weekend. It will get a last major check in march and then will fly for one more year, til march 2013. Last chance to fly on one ever !
Problem is the scheduled passenger flights are probably cancelled and it will fly more cargo and charters, but it might be possible to hitch a ride on that one.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 38):
I showed up at Nairobi airport yesterday asking JetLink; where is your F-28 going today? Mombasa or Kisumu? Only Kisumu, ok I'll buy a one way ticket to Kisumu. The CSR girl didn't stop laughing for 5 minutes....

She probably didn't remember Ian and Loran then. We did the same April last year, and were well known among the airport staff and airline ops offices after 4 days of logging classics.... A very nice bunch of people there, also snatched the best jumpseat rate ever (7 our of 10 flights).

Could you do me a favour and enquire if Fly540 Uganda still operates 5X-FFN? This is a cargo F-27. My previous F-27 prospects stalled recently and I'm getting a bit worried as opportunities are disappearing quickly.

For everyone who is interested, I flew on this pencil yesterday from AAL to OSL:

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The good news is that its contract with Air Noway was extended for another couple of months and there are no plans to retire this type. If Air Norway does not go belly-up again, the flights may continue for another three years. North Flying operates three Metroliners out of AAL and there is another one based in OSL apparently. Very pleasant operator and great staff, which allowed us to have a look at the aircraft before the flight.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:22 pm

Keep in mind that you can fly a guaranteed AN24 (no equipment changes) at a very cheap fare (41$) out of Havana (HAV) on the twice-daily flight to Nueva Gerona on the beautiful Youth Island. This schedule allows you to fly back on the same day, although I'd highly recommend to stay for a few days. I did this recently and loved it.


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Be aware that the flight is always full (the fare is $2.45 for Cubans) so you have to book weeks in advance.

This flight has been diverted to the US several times in the past by hijackers, so you might be able to log an interesting route like Havana to Key West.

I'll post a trip report in the next days.

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:14 am

I am back in Amsterdam, updates on the DHC-7
Air Kenya still flies one, 5Y-BMP almost daily to the Masai Nara game reserve. One or two roundtrips a day with about 3-4 stops when at least a couple of pax want to get in or out to their resort. A trip is quite pricey so I didn't go, having flown on Berjaya.
On transfer in Cairo I saw Petroleums/PAS DHC-7 SU-BMC scrapped in little pieces, which might indicate they withdrew some or most now they got more DHC-8s.

Quoting Loran (Reply 39):
Fly540 Uganda still operates 5X-FFN

I asked but the person involved didn't know about cargo or foreign operations.
My idea is they still operate that one; one cargo F-27 is in the fleet list of their early 2012 inflight magazine, while the only other F-27s ever registered have either crashed or were damaged. I saw the damaged 5X-FFD at Wilson.
For your F-27 project I think Bolivia has the best chance, the TAM/Bolivian Air Force have bought and refurbished the old ex CP-2013, it might join FAB-90 on scheduled flights from LPB, especially if/when one of their MA-60s is indeed damaged beyond repair.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:23 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 38):
So true... I showed up at Nairobi airport yesterday asking JetLink; where is your F-28 going today? Mombasa or Kisumu? Only Kisumu, ok I'll buy a one way ticket to Kisumu. The CSR girl didn't stop laughing for 5 minutes.....
Quoting Loran (Reply 39):
She probably didn't remember Ian and Loran then. We did the same April last year, and were well known among the airport staff and airline ops offices after 4 days of logging classics....

Loran - that was actually the East African F28! The Jetlink F28 was in storage when we were there. On my previous visit it was only operating to Juba. Now that it is operating domestics I will definitely try for a flight on it next time I'm down there.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 38):
the very old DC-9-14 5Y-XXA is flying daily these days. 4 days a week, East African sells its own tickets to Hargeisha and Mogadishu, and the other days it's standby for Fly540... It often does Kisumu-Eldoret-Nairobi-Mombasa-Zanzibar flights. I had a jumpseat flight friday after I told the only reason I flew on it !

Loran and I got the same treatment. What a day that was, especially after jumpseating the Air Kenya DHC-7 a few hours earlier!
 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:32 pm

I got word from Juche Travel Services a few days ago, the JULY North Korea Aviation tour will now feature a TY-134 instead of the AN-24. They will try to charter then AN-24 anyway for a 30 minute FNJ roundtrip if there is enough demand.

Personally I'm quite excited to get the TY-134 instead of the AN. I cannot say if this will happen on any other tours.

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:52 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 43):
I got word from Juche Travel Services a few days ago, the JULY North Korea Aviation tour will now feature a TY-134 instead of the AN-24. They will try to charter then AN-24 anyway for a 30 minute FNJ roundtrip if there is enough demand.

Personally I'm quite excited to get the TY-134 instead of the AN. I cannot say if this will happen on any other tours.

Similarly the September tour will also feature this swap from the An-24. Sounds good.


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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:05 am

It is planned for all the tours. Imagine if they had managed to arrange an IL-76 flight as well! Apparently they tried that but it was not possible.
 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:12 pm

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 23):
MON have A300-600s but their route allocation isn't really publicised so difficult to know what routes they operate, they seem to do most of their flying from LGW and MAN though

I just booked LGW-TFS in April on the A300. You have to make a mock booking and go to the seat map to identify what aircraft is what.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 23):
SAS still have 3 x MD87s and I'll hopefully be on one on Monday.

I don't know if they're for SAS, but most of Spanair's remaining MD87's were re-registered in Sweden and ferried to ARN

EC-FFH to SE-DMP

EC-FFI to SE-DMO

EC-FHD to SE-DMR

EC-FHK to SE-DMS

Apparently then going on to the US? Glad I caught EC-KAZ a couple of years ago!

Quoting Hywel (Reply 34):
I'm visiting Russia in September 2012 and am hoping to fly some classic Russian aircraft, e.g. the Tu154 (very hard to get now...), Yak-42 and possibly others.

As far as I'm aware, Alrosa are still around and they operate schedules from Moscow. Their website is nigh on impossible to navigate though. I saw Gazpromavia had a flight LED-VKO in November, but I think that was just one of their usual unpredictable charters. A Yak 40 was possible LED-CEE-LED in a day with Servestal, but they've got a few CRJ's now that I think have probably ruined chances there. If not, look at AK Bars Aero. They were using a Y40 into LED in November to a selected destination which escapes me, everywhere else it's a CRJ.

Quoting Hywel (Reply 34):
Vladivostok Air and IL96 with Aeroflot, however these are all modern (or fairly modern!)

Nice work! There's talk of myself and another forum member catching an SU IL96 TLV-SVO, but I'd quite like to avoid TLV. Still, if it means getting on one of those beauties so be it! How did you manage the Vladivostok Tu204?

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 41):
I saw Petroleums/PAS DHC-7 SU-BMC scrapped in little pieces, which might indicate they withdrew some or most now they got more DHC-8s.

I had a quick turnaround in LXR in November and we were parked next to one of their Dash 7's. Looked operational as it had a GPU attached and a cargo door open with someone hanging around.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 45):
Imagine if they had managed to arrange an IL-76 flight as well! Apparently they tried that but it was not possible.

As soon as I read this I was captivated by hope! My name's down for September but I have a new job in the pipeline which might totally screw my chances of ever getting on one of these DPRK trips. If so, I'll be gutted.

It goes without saying these are all just my personal observations and are obviously time sensitive! But I hope they help someone.
 
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:58 am

Quoting tupolevtu154 (Reply 46):
I don't know if they're for SAS, but most of Spanair's remaining MD87's were re-registered in Sweden and ferried to ARN

EC-FFH to SE-DMP

EC-FFI to SE-DMO

EC-FHD to SE-DMR

EC-FHK to SE-DMS

Apparently then going on to the US?

Just checked SAS' schedule and the last MD-87 flight is showing somewhere early June, although a recent fleet plan quoted them staying in the fleet until 2014. I got several alarm bells ringing because I am still missing this type and want to avoid going to Africa. So I will make an emergency trip to BRU or FRA next weekend which will each see several MD-87 flights on Sat and Sun.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 42):
Loran - that was actually the East African F28! The Jetlink F28 was in storage when we were there.

Thanks for correcting, totally forgot ours was East African. Wouldn't mind flying it either, since our flight was at night and the good seats were gone.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 43):
I got word from Juche Travel Services a few days ago, the JULY North Korea Aviation tour will now feature a TY-134 instead of the AN-24. They will try to charter then AN-24 anyway for a 30 minute FNJ roundtrip if there is enough demand.

I am also on the July tour, and based on the seatmap the Ty-134 will be a different one I flew on (P-814). It had a cargo compartment in the read fuselage and the last seat row was just ahead of the flaps, so I don't mind the equipment change that much given that there will be an An-24 pleasure flight.
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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:21 am

I am also on the July tour of North Korea and can't wait to fly those classics especially the TU-134. On the way to china I plan to catch the Biman DC-10 & A310 also.

Does anybody offer enthusiasts tours to Russia? I'm looking for a tour company which is more focused on flying the rare types than actual plane spotting. Do any exist? many thanks.

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RE: Flying Classic/Rare Aircraft In 2012

Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:21 am

Quoting sia744 (Reply 48):
On the way to china I plan to catch the Biman DC-10 & A310 also.

Don't do this, unless you have a big and safe time buffer in China. Biman can be delayed for days, and you don't want to noshow on your DPRK trip because the Bangladeshis can't get their DC10 patched up in time.

I was really lucky last fall when I did the whole Biman thing, but I had several days of padding all around the flights just to be safe.

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