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Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:24 pm

Best/Worst Airline seats.

Would have to say those NZ sky couches are mighty comfortable.   
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:32 pm

Most F and J class seats are nice.

Any Y class in a set of 3,4 or 5 are horrible. Any Y class set in a set of 2 is acceptable (generally)
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:39 pm

Based on the last month of travels for me in no particular order - UA PS 757 first class seats are terrible. The CO F/J product is great for me. Used it to Mumbai last week. I was surprised at the DL product in F class on the Md88/90. Surprised at the recline. I guess they did this after getting them from NW? I'm not really looking forward to using the UA 767 product next month to Europe, but we'll see. It can't be worse than the AA J seat. I have no opinion of non-US flag carrier seats because the majority are superior to anything offered.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting fiscal (Reply 1):

Any Y class in a set of 3,4 or 5 are horrible. Any Y class set in a set of 2 is acceptable (generally)

There are worse seats than just being 3 in a set. Seats that don't recline and don't have a seatpocket like Ryanair certainly are worse. Spirit with no recline and less than 30'' pitch is also worse.
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):

There are worse seats than just being 3 in a set.

B6 extra leg room seats are ridiculous for US flag carrier standards. Worth every penny imho.   
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:08 am

Worst seats I've been in are the Y seats on FL's 717s - there apparently is padding, but it might as well not be there (the seats on their 73Gs, strangely, are decent, though not great)

Best seats (and I'm limiting this to Y seats) would be the ones that UA used to have on their 757s and 320s. Not high tech, but very nice to sit in. They've probably been replaced now, though - I haven't sat in a comfortable Y seat in a while.

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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:27 am

Of course F and J class seats are really comfortable, but for me it has to be the Y+ seats on UA. Having that extra legroom for long haul flights is quite good.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:02 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Best seats (and I'm limiting this to Y seats) would be the ones that UA used to have on their 757s and 320s. Not high tech, but very nice to sit in.

The 320/319s and 752s still have the Recaro seats with the winged headrests....new seat covers but still the same seat.
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:08 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
There are worse seats than just being 3 in a set. Seats that don't recline and don't have a seatpocket like Ryanair certainly are worse.
Quoting fiscal (Reply 1):
Any Y class in a set of 3,4 or 5 are horrible. Any Y class set in a set of 2 is acceptable (generally)

I disagree. I always avoid Y seats in pairs as when flights aren't full there's a greater chance of having an empty seat next to you if you choose a seat in a set of 3/4/5 seats. On widebodies I always select an aisle seat in the center section and very frequently have an empty seat next to me, while virtually all the pairs of seats next to the windows are full (e.g. on 767s for with 2-3-2 or A330/340s with 2-4-2).

Same goes for narrowbodies with 2-3 seating. I frequentlly fly on LX Avro RJ100s and KLM Fokker 70s/100s, and on those I always select an aisle seat on the 3-seat side as the middle seat in that section is always the last to be assigned when flights aren't full.

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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:39 am

I think Oman has one of the best J class seat and Layout on the Airbus.

The worst would had to be the old Air Asia X ones, that dont recline, but slope forward. They were taken out for obvious reasons.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
The 320/319s and 752s still have the Recaro seats with the winged headrests....new seat covers but still the same seat.

The ones I'm thinking of didn't have winged headrests. There was a sort of shaped headrest, but no physical wings to move.

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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:19 am

What is weird to me is the difference you can get for a J seat within the same airline, at the same price.
Example, SQ flies on long haul 77E with spacebeds 6 a-side and even sometimes recliners 7 a-side, and also 77W/388 with 4 a-side flat bed.
Even worst is EK, difference between J seats on A330/340 and 777s (recliners, 7 a-aside) and 388 full flat bed.

So you pay quite a lot, and seat can be a lottery.

Basically, as others said, most J/F seat are very comfortable indeed.
Y seat = the newer they get, the harder and thiner they get.
I remember in the 90's, they were thick and padded. Now it's more like wood.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:47 am

For me it is the herringbone true lay-flat seats on NZ and VS. I get a solid night's sleep, and I always have access to the aisle if I need to use the lav in the middle of the night (and I always do.)

I just hate the business class seats on the NZ 767's Most people complain about seats being too small, but in my case I am too small for the seat. My legs aren't long enough to sit back without my knee pivot point being on the seat cushion. That happens on a lot of older business class seats for me. IIRC LH is no better. Flying NZ AKL-PER I ended up standing in the galley talking to the crew for an hour or two at a time. Heaven forbid, I might have to fly in economy next time!

Quoting jetlag73 (Reply 11):
Basically, as others said, most J/F seat are very comfortable indeed.
Y seat = the newer they get, the harder and thiner they get.
I remember in the 90's, they were thick and padded. Now it's more like wood.

Considering the obesity epidemic, perhaps they depend on the passenger providing the padding?
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:17 pm

Everyone likes foreign carrier seats as much as I do but what do you think about US flag carrier seats?   
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:42 am

My favorite seat (Y) that I've put my tush in was a US 757 (old American West bird) from PHX-OGG. Lots of cushion, none of this slimline crap that hurts you rear after a half hour.
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
Spirit with no recline and less than 30'' pitch is also worse.

Not that I have travelled with them, but it did remind me of Tiger with tiny pitch seats, and Jetstar who removed recline. Not very nice...

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
I disagree. I always avoid Y seats in pairs as when flights aren't full there's a greater chance of having an empty seat next to you

I should have said when I travel with my wife, otherwise I do as you do.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:16 am

The worst seat in commercial aviation is any of the seats between the tailcone and aft galley bulkhead of the MD-80 series aircraft.

Dark, noisy, claustrophobic and disorienting, with a window-seat view of the engine nacelle, four-inches away.


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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 13):
Everyone likes foreign carrier seats as much as I do but what do you think about US flag carrier seats?

The biggest shock of my last US vacation was how comfortable DL's A320 was, nice enough leather comfortable padding and decent legroom for DTW-LAS.

The worst I can remember is also Delta, a 763 CDG-JFK back in 2004.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:48 am

For me the best longhaul were AA's M11 followed by DL's L10/L15s and MHs 744s. Honorable mention to AA's 762/3 before they reduced the seat pitch. Worst by far: VS 742 / 744 and DL 763. AAs 306s weren't great and nor are BA's 744 in terms of pitch although the seats are nicely padded and shaped.

Shorthaul - best: Southwest, BA, SR, Monarch (!) extra legroom seats. Worst: Eireflot, of course. IB deserves a mention, as do QFs 738s. Also have vague recollections of a Jetstream 41 (TWA??) being pretty tortuous.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:14 am

I agree with aviateur (reply 16), the last two or three rows on MD-80 series aircraft can be miserable whereby you may be assigned a window seat but the view out the window is completely obstructed by the engine. This is also true for the last two rows on Delta's DC9-50 aircraft (rows 25 and 26) as I recall. Also, on some CRJ-900 aircraft, there is no window on the last row on the right side. I don't like being in the center section of widebody aircraft.

I don't have to have a window seat every time, but I'm somewhat uncomfortable not having any perception of where the aircraft is on the ground or when it is coming in to land (i.e., in the aft section of the MD-80 series, like aviateur mentioned).

Also, I always enjoy sitting by the window. You would think that a window seat in the exit row (with additional leg room) would be ideal, but on many aircraft (particularly Delta's DC9s, MD-88s, and Airbus A319/320s) the window seats at the exit rows have a different seat cushion--much thinner--called a "low profile seat cushion" and they tend to be very uncomfortable, especially on longer flights. Also, window seats at exit rows can sometime be very cold if the exit doesn't seal up properly and it isn't always easy to find a blanket.

I don't remember seeing these "low profile" seats on other airlines, but the placard on the window of some of these aircraft states, "FAA required."

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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:47 am

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Would have to say those NZ sky couches are mighty comfortable.

depending on individual size of passenger. I have seen medium sized couples pay more to upgrade to premium economy because they had such an unpleasant night's sleep on the sky couch. I found it interesting.
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RE: Best/Worst Airline Seats.

Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:37 am

Best C seat: SQ on the A345
Worst C seat: UA (seat before current refurbishing)

Best Y seat: Toss up between the LH narrowbody fleet slim-line (more comfortable) and AC (almost as good, and has AVOD)
Worst Y seat: OO on the Embraer 120
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