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..And The Award For The Worst Terminal Goes To...

Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:52 am

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Travel guide expert Frommer's has just announced its list of the best - and worst - airports in the world - and it makes some surprising reading.

New York's JFK Airport Terminal 3 takes the top spot for the world's worst. "There's a sense that the cleaning crew gave up in despair a while ago," writes Frommer's.

The review packs no punches: "Endless immigration lines in a dank basement, an utter lack of food and shopping options, three crowded and confusing entry points, and hallways that could have been designed by MC Escher for vomiting international travellers out onto an underground sidewalk with no cabs available.

The worst ten and the best ten are listed in the link:

http://travel.aol.co.uk/2012/01/22/w...%7Cdl10%7Csec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D93099

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:22 am

It's strange that Munich didn't make it to the top 10 best terminals. I find it much better and more convenient than Kéflavik or Madrid...
Not to mention that the terminal is way nicer and more moder-looking than these two.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:30 am

It funny because I was saying T3 before I even opened the thread. Yes, T3 is a dump. A pigeon infested structure and the armpits of the Delta system (MEM not too far behind). Its a shame that DL has made their passengers endure the place for so long. A fix to T3 could have happened years ago but at the time we had short sighted managers, with Leo Mullin leading the whole lot. Instead of spending $500M on BOS, the money could have been used, well, at JFK. Look at what's left of Delta in Boston vs Kennedy...
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:53 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
It funny because I was saying T3 before I even opened the thread.

Hahaha, same here! I don't usually fly DL, but a couple of years ago I went to pick up my daughter, who was arriving from BCN at JFK's T3. I took the Airtrain, exit at the T2/3 stop and.... I just couldn't believe how inconvenient, outdated, ugly, and yes, dumpy the whole T3 set up was. What an impression when one arrives to NYC.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:05 am

Seems that someone hasn't seen the renovations at MNL.   
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:07 am

I have been to all 10 of the worst airports and I would strongly argue that none of them are as bad as Lagos. Lagos only receives "honorable" mention in the photo link.

A bit surprised KL and HK are both absent from the top 10.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:27 am

Yep JFK T3 deserves a top spot. Dumpydumpydumpy.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:18 pm

I don't understand how Chicago Midway made the worst 10 list. The old Midway yes, but that's been closed for many years now.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:33 pm

After Kinshasa, lack of shopping and poor food don't seem so bad.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:51 pm

No mention of terminal 6 LAX?
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:10 pm

I am not going to argue that the T3 at JFK is the pits but I would like to ask what the parameters of Frommer's to only rate CDG as the 5th worst I would rank it as 1B. The best is a terminal that is only open for 6 weeks a year and only for people attending the Haj?
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 9):
No mention of terminal 6 LAX?

I was at that terminal last week. It did seem a little third world.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:06 pm

The article mentions LGA's Terminal 5 as being #7 on the Worst Airport list. Are they aware that LGA only has four terminals, and that they go by numbers, not letters?

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 9):
No mention of terminal 6 LAX?

The photo essay at the end of the article identifies LAX in its entirety as one of the world's worst. According to the SF Chronical, LAX is "8 terminals connected by a traffic jam." That is a hilarious, and unfortunately apt, description!

Still, some of the terminals aren't so bad. Delta's is okay and Alaska Air's terminal is being renovated as is the TBIT. LAX just needs to do all the terminals and be done with it.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
The article mentions LGA's Terminal 5 as being #7 on the Worst Airport list. Are they aware that LGA only has four terminals, and that they go by numbers, not letters?

I think you meant they go by letters at LGA.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 10):
I would like to ask what the parameters of Frommer's to only rate CDG as the 5th worst

The ranked CDG terminal is terminal 3 : mostly LCC and charters!
despite what everyone is saying, CDG is not that bad and I think that most of the people complaining about this airport did not go through it since a long time!
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:39 pm

I think it's funny that the picture at the top of the article on AOL is actually of JFK T8, despite the fact that that terminal didn't make either best (as JFK T5 did) or worst (JFK T3) list.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:44 pm

I don't know how I should judge this company (Frommer's?). I wouldn't assess a terminal that is only used a few weeks of the year. That already is a mistake in the survey in my opinion. Keep those temporarily used airport terminals out of a survey that compares airports that are in use throughout the year.

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
I don't understand how Chicago Midway made the worst 10 list. The old Midway yes, but that's been closed for many years now.

Agreed - MDW is one of the nicer airports I've been to. The only problem I can see is that security lines can be horrendous at times, but this is hardly a unique problem and shouldn't be reason enough to make the worst 10 airports.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:08 pm

Why does the media gallery mention DEL/IGIA? I thought the new terminal is supposed to be spectacular! Granted, I have not visited it, but I haven't heard many complaints either.

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 15):
CDG is not that bad and I think that most of the people complaining about this airport did not go through it since a long time!

CDG is pretty bad, dude. Logistically, connecting through it is a nightmare when compared to AMS. The use of remote stands and busses? It's so unprofessional and haphazard.

In addition, the quarantined/siphoned off areas are so claustrophobic. There's virtually 0 space for breathing room. The interiors are depressing and the dining options are insanely overpriced. That airport is just awful.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 11):
I was at that terminal last week. It did seem a little third world.

It's under construction. Deal with it.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
The photo essay at the end of the article identifies LAX in its entirety as one of the world's worst.

That's so biased. It's hardly the worst, and only getting better. The bad terminals, TBIT, 3 and 6, are all under reno, rebuild, build-out. 2 and 7 are hardly the worst in the country, let alone the world, and 1, 4 and 5 are all middle of the pack or better.

EWR Terminal B is hardly the bottom 10, either. It's just long in the tooth.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
The photo essay at the end of the article identifies LAX in its entirety as one of the world's worst. According to the SF Chronical, LAX is "8 terminals connected by a traffic jam." That is a hilarious, and unfortunately apt, description!

Of course a San Franciscan is going to trash anything in LA.

Apparently, Frommer's did not visit MNL.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:20 pm

I find regional jet terminals to be the worst, since they're always the most active.

Terminal A2 at EWR, Continental's RJ terminal, is the worst, especially on a rainy night with delays. Thousands of people crammed into a tight, open, deafeningly loud rotunda with no walls and not enough seats.

Second place goes to Terminal F at PHL. More conventional layout, but still too loud, too crowded, and not enough seats.

Terminal 3 at JFK is like paradise by comparison.


Disclaimer: I haven't been through A2 at EWR for about two years, so forgive me if they've changed things post-merger.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 11):

Yes, its quite the "setup". I dread when I'm on DL and my outbound is from 6. And it almost always happen if I'm on that afternoon departure to ATL...
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 9):
No mention of terminal 6 LAX?
Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 11):
I was at that terminal last week. It did seem a little third world.

There is honestly nothing wrong with LAX or Terminal 6. Yes, terminal 6 does not have a modern look, and the renovation is making some mess, but there is nothing wrong with it. It is convenient, and it does the job very well.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 24):
There is honestly nothing wrong with LAX or Terminal 6. Yes, terminal 6 does not have a modern look, and the renovation is making some mess, but there is nothing wrong with it. It is convenient, and it does the job very well.

Well they did close the candy store. That drops it down a notch.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
Terminal A2 at EWR, Continental's RJ terminal, is the worst, especially on a rainy night with delays. Thousands of people crammed into a tight, open, deafeningly loud rotunda with no walls and not enough seats.

I've heard EWR's CoEx Terminal A compared to "The Fall of Saigon" during weather delays, cancellations, etc...lol.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:49 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
CDG is pretty bad, dude. Logistically, connecting through it is a nightmare when compared to AMS. The use of remote stands and busses? It's so unprofessional and haphazard.

In addition, the quarantined/siphoned off areas are so claustrophobic. There's virtually 0 space for breathing room. The interiors are depressing and the dining options are insanely overpriced. That airport is just awful.

I've only ever used Terminal 1 at CDG, and I hated it every time.
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 20):
It's under construction. Deal with it.
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 20):
That's so biased. It's hardly the worst, and only getting better.

Don't be so protective. LAX is a dump.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 28):

+1

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
CDG is pretty bad, dude. Logistically, connecting through it is a nightmare when compared to AMS. The use of remote stands and busses? It's so unprofessional and haphazard.

In addition, the quarantined/siphoned off areas are so claustrophobic. There's virtually 0 space for breathing room. The interiors are depressing and the dining options are insanely overpriced. That airport is just awful.

When was the last time you've been to CDG?

Regarding remote stands and busses, you have the same at AMS & FRA!
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:22 pm

I think it is worth going to the original Frommer's article to see more detailed description of "analysis".

http://www.frommers.com/slideshow/?p=1&group=786&cat_cd=AIRFARE#slide

IMHO, their criteria seems to be suspect when using MDW as an example, this is what they said:


"Chicago's Midway airport ranked as the nation's worst for on-time departures in the most recent federal Bureau of Transportation Statistics data, earning it a spot on this list. It isn't a bad place to hang out, with a new food court and a frequent subway connection to downtown Chicago, but any airport is the worst airport if you're stuck there and you aren't getting on a plane.

Consider this the least-worst of our set of bad airports. Midway's curse may come more from Chicago's notoriously difficult weather than from any problem the airport itself can fix."


The two negative things they mentioned are the 1) the on-time statistics and 2) the weather; both of which are interrelated and both of which are irrelevant to the actual terminal.

They also mention two positive things: 1) the "new" food court and 2) the "subway" connection (which is actually elevated). The food court is the only thing that relates to actual terminal and it isn't "new", it came with the newer terminal (8 years old now).

They never mentioned why the terminal caused MDW to make it to their top ten list. I saw this article a couple of weeks ago and was going to post it to A-Net but after reading it decided the article as useless as tits on bull!
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:23 pm

I have to say, I'd vote KEF up there as it's a fantastic little airport. Plenty of things airside and you arrive airside too (not sure if there's a security check for transfers to the US) but when I went there, you just clear passport control into the Schengen zone and bam, you're where the gates are again, then down to baggage claim and out!

I'm surprised LHR Terminal 5 isn't there, I've always found that to be a great terminal, always somewhere to sit, then again, immigration and the squashed upstairs transfer security queue lets it down a little bit.

But JFK Terminal 3, once was probably a world icon with Pan Am and one of the best 40 years on is the worst...
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
Kéflavik
Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
more moder-looking than these two.

When was you at KEF? It got thru lot of changes 2009-2010 and is much more modern and nicer looking now. Connections there are a breeze too. Just my opinion.

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:09 pm

I agree HKG should be on the list as some of the best, however, one thing that really bothers me each time I pass through, is the numerous gate agent, and I mean 'numerous', shouting at people right at the gate, to tell them you collect your baggage at consounel number XX - an electronic display will do the trick.

Maybe the wages there is so low they can afford to hire all these people, my key point is you do not want to be bombarded with all these information when you get off your long haul flight, prime example being the baggage consouel number, which you will not see in at least 10 or 15 minutes depending on your gate and queues in immigration.

just my opinion though, but comments are welcome.

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 15):
despite what everyone is saying, CDG is not that bad and I think that most of the people complaining about this airport did not go through it since a long time!

I connect through CDG frequently and I think everyone agrees that the distances between some places can be incredibly long, and yes CDG has a problem with homeless people. The airport is full of them.

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:09 pm

Not a surprise here! It's funny how four of the top 10 worst airport terminals are my "home airports"   (LGA,JFK,MNL,EWR) but glad to see JFK's T5 on the top 10!

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
It funny because I was saying T3 before I even opened the thread. Yes, T3 is a dump. A pigeon infested structure and the armpits of the Delta system (MEM not too far behind).

Yes, those damn pigeons. When we were checking in Terminal 3 back in February, there pigeons flying around! FORTUNATELY, it was 5 in the morning with our flight being the first departure out of the terminal, so the experience was quite hassle-free. But, judging by the look of the terminal, I can't imagine passing through security during the evening rush hour.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 4):

Seems that someone hasn't seen the renovations at MNL.

It came in second, but honestly, JFK T3 is definitely worst than NAIA's T1.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 21):
Apparently, Frommer's did not visit MNL.

Once again, it ranked #2 as the worst.

Honestly, if you take away the memories I had at MNL's Terminal 1, then I'd say, it's a complete dump. The check-in area is definitely dark and dingy but I have no issues with, the departure area is somewhat getting better but the arrivals area resembles that of a rural bus station in the country...a horrible first impression to tourists. Decent food is virtually non-existent, the airport staff is always rude (not including the check-in agents), immigration and security agents are just cold.

I am looking forward to the day that ALL of the international airlines will move to Terminal 3.


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Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
I don't understand how Chicago Midway made the worst 10 list. The old Midway yes, but that's been closed for many years now.

I couldn't believe MDW was in the worst list, either. It's definitely not one of the best, but it's simple and very easy to navigate. It can be a pain to go from the high A gates to the high B gates, but that only affects a select number of people really. The security lines aren't as bad as people make them out to be. When it's really busy, they open up the side lines close to the C concourse, making it much quicker. I've never waited more than 15-20 minutes, which is average at many airports. I'm usually in and out of security in 5 minutes.

My only complaint about MDW is there's no Starbucks!! What kind of major airport doesn't have a Starbucks? Yes, the Potbelly's sells and brews Starbucks coffee, but that's not the same!
 
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 30):
Regarding remote stands and busses, you have the same at AMS & FRA!

You're kidding right? FRA yes, but I have almost never seen a 737 or above embarking at a remote stand in AMS. Regional Jets always do at AMS, I know, but that's 'accepted' (and CDG is the same way, right?).... Whereas in CDG I boarded basically every type in the AF long haul fleet I've flown on by stairs at CDG (especially after the 2E collapse or before the construction of the initial 2E). Now that AF uses only 2C (do they still?), 2D, 2E and 2F (and 2G, never used that one, and I hear bad things) it's gotten way better... But 2B was the worst terminal I have ever been through in my life. Probably still is, but I will never have to use it again.

Last time: summer 2010. Nice lounge in 2F.


Haven't been to T3 in JFK and I think I'll avoid it for now.

On my list of dumpy terminals:
MEM... kinda retro! (2010-11)
VIE was bad but I haven't been in a while. (long time ago)
FCO has some terrible gates too (H terminal for FCO) (about yearly if not more--2x yearly probably)
LGA, pretty cramped, not too terrible. (2006)
PHL... I'll avoid it when I can. (2004?)

CDG2B takes the cake from my perspective (2006? 2007? I forget when I was there the last time). Well, no actually I just remembered, BBU does. At least 2B looked like a terminal, not a bus station.
 
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:48 am

Terminal 4 at FLL is a joke. May be the worst terminal I have ever been in.
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 35):
I connect through CDG frequently and I think everyone agrees that the distances between some places can be incredibly long, and yes CDG has a problem with homeless people. The airport is full of them.

Like in FRA, ORD!
I fly in/out CDG several times a month and I regularly have connections and it is far from being the worst airport!
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:26 pm

Clearly they've never been to either of LED's terminals!
 
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 36):
Decent food is virtually non-existent, the airport staff is always rude (not including the check-in agents), immigration and security agents are just cold.

My memories of NAIA Terminal 1 notwithstanding, I have to disagree that the airport staff are always rude, and immigration and security agents are "just cold". I've only had a problem with an immigration officer once (and that was in 2005), and I have not experienced the rudeness you seem to be alluding to.

Admittedly, I have not had all the food offerings at Terminal 1, but Bo's Coffee is decent enough for a nice, quick breakfast.
 
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:59 pm

Absolutely nobody in Southern New England is crying over the closure of BDL's Terminal B....also known as the Murphy Terminal. I'm sure it would have been a contender on the worst list had it not been shut down a few years ago. If anybody here ever experienced that place in all it's hideous glory, you know what I mean!
 
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Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:20 am

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 30):
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
CDG is pretty bad, dude. Logistically, connecting through it is a nightmare when compared to AMS. The use of remote stands and busses? It's so unprofessional and haphazard.

In addition, the quarantined/siphoned off areas are so claustrophobic. There's virtually 0 space for breathing room. The interiors are depressing and the dining options are insanely overpriced. That airport is just awful.

When was the last time you've been to CDG?

Regarding remote stands and busses, you have the same at AMS & FRA!

The big difference at AMS is that the only flights that require buses to/from the aircraft are regional jets (up to E-190 size), mainly the KL Cityhopper Fokkers and E-190s, and the few carriers serving AMS with propeller types. I have been using AMS for decades and have never had to use a bus for 737s, A320s or widebodies. If it happens with those types it must be very rare. On the other hand I have been on many flights to/from FRA and CDG where even widebodies park at remote stands and require a bus to/from the terminal. That's one of many reasons I consider AMS the best connecting hub in Europe.
 
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Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:24 am

I seem to remember I enjoyed PNH when I arrived there late one night, but looking at pics on google it doesn't look as nice as I remember it. I remember the baggage retrieval being nicely landscaped with plants and things. I was quite drunk at the time though so I could be mistaken. I also disagree about NBO- I didn't think it was that bad. That was in 1998 though- things might be worse now.

Worst I've been in was TLL circa 1991, which had a literal waterfall coming through a hole in the ceiling which you had to walk through to get airside. I am not exaggerating.

If we're only talking current ones, GAU was probably the worst I've been recently.
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RE: ..And The Award For The Worst Terminal Goes To

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:00 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 44):
On the other hand I have been on many flights to/from FRA and CDG where even widebodies park at remote stands and require a bus to/from the terminal.

I can only speak for FRA, but the notorious bus trips through what feels like the entrails of a severely constipated concrete anaconda do indeed detract somewhat from the pleasure of seeing your aircraft up close and personal. Hopefully, some of this will change once the new A+ gates are ready.
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RE: ..And The Award For The Worst Terminal Goes To

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 38):
VIE was bad but I haven't been in a while. (long time ago)

Last time I was in Vienna was back in the early 90s and I had the impression that Schwechat was a nice, well-arranged airport.
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RE: ..And The Award For The Worst Terminal Goes To

Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 47):

Last time I was in Vienna was back in the early 90s and I had the impression that Schwechat was a nice, well-arranged airport.

Well, this was the non-Schengen area (arriving from OTP leaving for ORD in 2000 and a r/t to/from OTP in 2002 or 2003 I think)... it felt very cramped. Maybe we saw different areas of the airport (Schengen/non-Schengen); even if not, 10 years can probably give the same space a different feel (traffic probably went up by a lot between the early 1990s and 2000/3 at VIE => cramped). I have no personal experience on how it is now.

That said, I don't rank it nearly as bad as CDG 2B.

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