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How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:15 pm

On every segment you look and that involves them - they're THE or amongst the most expensive. Whenever i'm booking a ticket on Europe-Asia segments and see them in the list, i get completely offended by their irrational fares and always book a 2 or more times cheaper ticket on QR or some other Middle Eastern company...
So i wonder how that company survives, where do they get money from (except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness - say patriotism - don't even think of ever flying with a non-Turkish airline, just like Europe in the 60s when everybody would almost exclusively fly their national carrier, for other more practical/pragmatic reasons though).

PS: Any precise info on taxes charged at IST?

PS2: In 2011 TK posted a net "income" of 572.5$ millions in negative (in losses to be concrete)...
http://www.kap.gov.tr/YAY/Download/Bildirim/Ek/63908.pdf

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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
So i wonder how that company survives, where do they get money from (except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness - say patriotism - don't even think of ever flying with a non-Turkish airline, just like Europe in the 60s when everybody would almost exclusively fly their national carrier, for other more practical/pragmatic reasons though).

Haven't you answered your own question there? For whatever reasons (I don't agree with your analysis) they are able to charge a premium in some markets and still fill their planes. Although I've not found TK to be that expensive myself.


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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:39 pm

But I don't really think they are always the most expensive.
I.e. from Germany to IST their fares are quite reasonable. It's easy to get a one way around 100 EUR even short termed...
On another example I was looking for flight from BCN to DXB and back to LON. At least on the dates I looked they were the cheapest and had good schedules. It probably depends on the route and on the dates. It's all about yield management, however this doesn't necessarily mean they're doing a good work in this regard.
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:27 pm

Last year when I was looking at London - Johannesburg flights, TK was occasionally cheapest, though the cheapest did change almost daily!

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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:29 pm

From HEL they usually are among the least expensive to Asia, both in Y and C.
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:30 pm

Where I look at fares from the US to ME/Africa/India, TK is usually amongst the cheapest. Unfortunately, their lowest fares don't earn miles so I never book them.
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:18 pm

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
On every segment you look and that involves them - they're THE or amongst the most expensive. Whenever i'm booking a ticket on Europe-Asia segments and see them in the list, i get completely offended by their irrational fares and always book a 2 or more times cheaper ticket on QR or some other Middle Eastern company...
So i wonder how that company survives, where do they get money from (except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness - say patriotism - don't even think of ever flying with a non-Turkish airline, just like Europe in the 60s when everybody would almost exclusively fly their national carrier, for other more practical/pragmatic reasons though).

It's called yield management as some other posters have noted. It just happens that you are looking for itineraries in demand for those specific dates and TK is trying to maximize its profits. If they were indeed the most expensive all the time, I am absolutely certain Turks would be first to dump them. And to add, Turks until recently thought it was "cooler" to fly with other airlines and scorned at TK. Only in the last 10 years that has changed.

I think it is kind of rude to generalize all Turks as lazy, ignorant or patriotic based on your own - wrong - observation.
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:13 am

You clearly have no idea how to get cheap fares.

I can get TK J and MH J from JFK-IST-KUL for $1400USD.

I will be booking that soon  
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:38 am

I've not found TK to be particularly expensive. Indeed last year I flew TK from SIN to NCE via IST and they were the cheapest option by far. Over all, the service was very good and the TK lounge was very pleasant (I had a 3-4h layover). My only complaint would be the remote parking at IST for our A330 from SIN.
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:08 am

TK is easily one of the best ways of getting from Asia/USA to Europe on Star Alliance. I have always found their fares ex NRT/HKG/LAX to be very reasonable and competitive.
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 6):
I think it is kind of rude to generalize all Turks as lazy, ignorant or patriotic based on your own - wrong - observation.

Leftyboarder being nice and saying "wrong", most people will call it something else. You are just stereotyping a specific group of people.
Turkish pax choose just like any other; they look at the price, schedule, connectivity, safety record, mileage program and such. I for one, fly mostly on DL on JFK-IST because I am first a SKYmiles sucker then a Turk. Domestically I fly Atlasjet and Pegasus or TK depending on price/schedule.
Coming back to the topic, as you can see from the previous posts TK is not usually the most expensive. I find their prices competitive with others. I am sure they will charge whatever they feel like where there is no competition. Like when they first started Iraq, Libya flights or the upcoming Mogadishu. I think this is one reason where TK is focusing on Africa at present, trying to double the 18 destinations it serves. TK doesn't want to compete on saturated markets where margins getting smaller.
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:27 pm

Don't know what you are talking about. While searching for J-class ORD-KUL fares TK was half the price of the next-cheapest option which was KE. I think it varies quite a bit from route to route, just like all other airlines out there.
 
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting joffie (Reply 7):
can get TK J and MH J from JFK-IST-KUL for $1400USD.

Yep! I second here, I found the same fare too.

While searching a ticket from JFK to ARN, TK was showing a 797.00USD roundtrip, which was definitely the cheapest and perhaps the best option considering their far superior product compared to the other choices like FI or AB.

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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
i get completely offended by their irrational fares

and then go on to say:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness

real nice...  
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RE: How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares

Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:54 am

Quoting joffie (Reply 7):

You clearly have no idea how to get cheap fares.

I can get TK J and MH J from JFK-IST-KUL for $1400USD.

I will be booking that soon  

Hi Joffie,
cool, let us know about that, I'm really interested.
Thanks !

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