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What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebody Fl

Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:38 pm

What Airlines past and Present has the shortest Domestic WideBody flight? How Long of Flight and what kind of Aircraft
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:40 pm

I seem to remember doing a DL flight from ATL-FLL-MIA on either an L-1011 or a B767.
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Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I seem to remember doing a DL flight from ATL-FLL-MIA on either an L-1011 or a B767.

True. And there was probably an SFO-OAK tag-on with a widebody at some point. However, I'm guessing this isn't the intent of the OP's question. I think he means the shortest real widebody flight (e.g. ATL-MCO, MSP-ORD or whatever) that is expected to carry passengers, not some tag-on.

SEA-MSP might be one of the shorter ones right now in this age of far fewer widebody domestic flights.

Incidentally, at Boeing they never use the term "widebody" anymore officially. We call them "twin aisle" airplanes. I'm guessing that's because the latter sounds more politically correct.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:00 pm

I don't know it it's the shortest but BKK-HKT is 421 miles and you will find currently TQ's B747, A330, A300 on that route.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:44 pm

SFO-OAK had an L1011 for a while. I have non-rev'd on that, although it was a revenue flight. Obviously the flight was continuing on to elsewhere.

ATL-FLL or ATL-MCO had a 772 for a while as well when the 772 was new. At least that was my understanding.

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Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:21 am

US flies the 762 CLT-PHL and return. I'm booked on it for Tuesday.

ATL-JAX was operated by DL on twin aisle equipment.

IIRC there was twin aisle operations between ORD and MSP as some point.
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Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:22 am

MEL-SYD also has quite a bit of widebody service, and it's at 439 miles. Slightly longer than HKT-BKK.

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Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:47 am

IB operates BCN-MAD on A340 once daily iirc
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 5):
ATL-JAX was operated by DL on twin aisle equipment.

DL still subs 763s on ATL-JAX on a fairly regular basis, though there hasn't been one scheduled for a while.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 5):
IIRC there was twin aisle operations between ORD and MSP as some point.

Not just twin aisle operations but 747 operations on NW as late as the late 90s (part of the MSP-ORD-NRT-MNL trip).

NW also flew DC-10-40s on MSP-MKE until shortly before they retired the -40s. I would assume that UA has scheduled widebodies on and off on LAX-SFO over the years.
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Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:23 pm

LHR-AMS is 231mi (767). I assume the shortest is somewhere in Asia though.
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Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:29 am

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I seem to remember doing a DL flight from ATL-FLL-MIA on either an L-1011 or a B767.

I flew on an Eastern A300 MIA-FLL-JFK sometime in the 1980s. Took that flight specifically because of the MIA-FLL sector (18 nm). It was almost empty on that leg, and far from full FLL-JFK.

The Pan Am 747-100 (N752PA, Clipper Fortune) that was hijacked after takeoff from AMS for JFK on September 6, 1970, flown to BEY and then CAI where it was blown up, fortunately after passenges and crew had evacuated (the first 747 hull loss), was operating BRU-AMS-JFK. The BRU-AMS sector is 85 nm.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:04 am

In the UK BA has been using the 763 on the LHR-GLA-LHR route, which is 345 miles.
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Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 9):
I assume the shortest is somewhere in Asia though.

OZ flies a B763 between CJU and Gwangju KWJ. 113 mi / 98 nm.
KE A330/A306 CJU PUS 181 mi / 157 nm.

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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:40 am

AA used to operate a morning DC10 between TUL-DFW back in the day.

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Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Not just twin aisle operations but 747 operations on NW as late as the late 90s (part of the MSP-ORD-NRT-MNL trip).


And for many years NW served a full breakfast in both cabins on the 747 between MSP and ORD!
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Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:50 pm

DUB-SNN 121 miles on Aer Lingus A330-300 and B747-100. Also a variety if US carriers with different equipment over the years on the same route.

FRA-TXL used to be on LH A300-600 270 miles
FRA-HAM used to be on LH A300-600 257 miles
FRA-MUC same as above and still sees occasional A340 or B747-400 187 miles
and the shortest is
FRA-HAJ 175 miles with widebodies but only during the trade fairs in Hannover

Longer than the above ORY-AJA with B747-400 in the summer
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:57 pm

And a few in the Middle East

DXB-DOH 238 miles with EK and QR A330, B777
DXB-MCT 217 miles with EK A330, B777 and Swiss A330
ALP-DAM 195 miles RB B747SP in the past
CAI-LXR 317 miles on MS A300, B777, B743, A342

Not sure if it is/was sold but I think someone did BAH-Damman which is 57 miles
 
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting B777UA (Thread starter):
the shortest Domestic WideBody flight?
Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 9):
LHR-AMS is 231mi (767).

Not really domestic.

A few more

LX, operating A332 on GVA-ZRH (not anymore iirc)
AF is doing the 77W on ORY-LYS and ORY-NCE sometimes in highseason.
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Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:03 pm

The shortest I've been on is ATL-EWR on a DL 763 in September 2010. That was rather unusual, not a regularly scheduled flight. However it's only about 700 miles in duration -- making it quite short.

I would think the shortest nowadays are probably DTW-ATL on the 77L and MSP-ATL on the 763 with DL.

UA has a 777 on DEN-LAX (and will continue to) which is about 2 hours in duration.

UA used to have a 777 on SFO-LAX last fall. That had to be the shortest for a least the small window of which they operated it.
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Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:22 pm

From at least 1986 until about 1992, AA flew DC10's between DFW and AUS twice a day. 186 air miles. 50 min. scheduled block time. Living at the time in AUS, I took them every chance I could to make a connection in DFW. Usually these were frames that had flown a longer route into DFW say from BOS, LGA, or ORD, and were then utilized to make the short hop on to AUS.
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):

UA used to have a 777 on SFO-LAX last fall. That had to be the shortest for a least the small window of which they operated it.

Still operates today - it's been the 830a-ish SFO-LAX departure for quite some time now.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
I flew on an Eastern A300 MIA-FLL-JFK sometime in the 1980s. Took that flight specifically because of the MIA-FLL sector (18 nm). It was almost empty on that leg, and far from full FLL-JFK.

I think this is a winner.

UA currently has a daily 777 SFO-LAX.
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 17):
A few more

LX, operating A332 on GVA-ZRH (not anymore iirc)

I can't recall LX ever regularly scheduling widebodies on GVA-ZRH, although they very rarely may substitute them for smaller aircraft to meet peak demand. I've flown on 2 LX flights GVA-ZRH that were last-minute A332 substitutions and one that used an A343, but those were a few years ago.

Swissair certainly used widebodies on GVA-ZRH, including DC-10s and 747-200s/300s. For several years the GVA-JFK-GVA flight originated/terminated at ZRH. They eventually began turning it around at GVA and dropped the domestic sector. There were other widebodies on GVA-ZRH when Swissair used GVA as a secondary longhaul hub. For example, when service to LAX first began (DC-10) it operated ZRH-GVA-LAX. They later eliminated the GVA stop. There were a few other routes like that including ZRH-GVA-GIG, and to a few points in Africa.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:08 am

PR does CEB-MNL with a 744/333/77W3/343. It is 351 miles
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:35 am

SIN-KUL has to be one of the shortest flying today... 185 mi, and sees A330's from SQ and UL (and maybe MH, I can't remember).

Edit -- I should read the OP more often... This isn't really a domestic flight...

[Edited 2012-03-12 23:36:35]
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
I would assume that UA has scheduled widebodies on and off on LAX-SFO over the years.

Yes, and PSA had the L1011 doing SFO-LAX-SAN in 1974. UA scheduled a 747-100 at one time and advertised it as just for the heavy LAX-SFO traffic, not for repositioning or a tag on.

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 13):
AA used to operate a morning DC10 between TUL-DFW back in the day.

That would have been to rotate the DC10 to TUL for maintenance, not for passenger loads.
 
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:02 am

DL operated an L1011 SAN-LAX in the 90's
 
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Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:11 am

AA fairly recently until the retirement of the A300 had the A300 on MIA-MCO.
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Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:35 am

When I worked in HNL, Delta flew a L-1011 between HNL and OGG. If I remember right it was to pick up connections on the DFW, ATL and LAX afternoon inbd flights, and came back to HNL to meet up with the DFW, ATL outbd flights.
 
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Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:57 pm

I flew on UA 3 a few years back, which operated ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD with a 777. The OGG-KOA portion was very short ... and extremely bumpy!!!
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Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:24 pm

JNB-DUR 297 mi SAA on a 747SP and climbing to FL410.
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Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:27 pm

Quoting andz (Reply 30):
JNB-DUR 297 mi SAA on a 747SP and climbing to FL410.

Wow it must have been a very steep climb and decent!
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Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:18 pm

This isn't domestic but it is inter-GCC and in many ways is 'domestic' for if you're a Gulf citizen you don't need to carry your passport, etc. and it really is 'domestic', although you do cross state borders.

Flight in question is BAH-DOH, which is a grand total of 90 miles, with a flight time of 20 minutes.

I have flown GF's A343 on this route, and the late night QR flight, QR157 is always flown by a wide-body, they usually alternate between their B772s and A333s, making it a scheduled wide body route. Imagine, 20 minutes in a wide body.

Another route, BAH-DMM, is probably one of the shortest scheduled flights ever flown by a wide-body, end off. It takes me about 1 hour driving to go from airport to airport, and the distance between the two airports is 54 miles... flight time is 15 minutes.

Although not a scheduled wide-body route, usually being taken care off by the A320, I have seen A332s and A343s fly this route in the past.
 
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Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:18 am

AA once ran BUF-DTW with a DC-10.
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Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting KBUF (Reply 33):
AA once ran BUF-DTW with a DC-10.

And much shorter than that, Eastern used the L-1011 once or twice a day BUF-YYZ (59 nm) for a few years. It originated in ATL and operated ATL-BUF-YYZ.
 
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
SEA-MSP might be one of the shorter ones right now in this age of far fewer widebody domestic flights.

I think UA has that beat.... DEN-ORD on a 777, coming in 2nd, as well as.........

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 21):
UA currently has a daily 777 SFO-LAX.
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Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:06 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 31):
Quoting andz (Reply 30):
JNB-DUR 297 mi SAA on a 747SP and climbing to FL410.

Wow it must have been a very steep climb and decent!

It was! My wife and I were in the jump seats and it was quite something to watch the altimeter needles whizzing round. We were at FL410 for just a couple of minutes before diving for the deck.

I asked the Captain why we were climbing so high on such a short flight and he said "cos we can"  
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:05 pm

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this but the original NW3 operated JFK-IAD-ORD-NRT as a 747 and the JFK-IAD was mighty quick!
 
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:25 pm

The defunct Norwegian airline Braathens S.A.F.E used the B 767 200 for European flights, but also occasionally domestic in Norway. Braathens S.A.F.E only had the 2 Boeing 767 200 for 2 years.


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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:16 pm

DL flew these flights with 767-300ERs around 2000:

JFK-PHL-JFK (94 miles)

JFK-BDL-JFK (105 miles)
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:54 pm

The shortest I can think of is POS - TAB, flown by BW with TriStars back in 1991-1993! The 80km (50 mile) route was flown on services which continued to and from FRA, ZRH and ARN. In those days MD83s were the standard equipment on the route. I think that on rare occasions in the Noughties the A340-300 also did one-offs on the route.

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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting IL62Mdakar (Reply 16):
And a few in the Middle East

DXB-DOH 238 miles with EK and QR A330, B777
DXB-MCT 217 miles with EK A330, B777 and Swiss A330
Not sure if it is/was sold but I think someone did BAH-Damman which is 57 miles
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 17):
Not really domestic.

Ops, I think I got a bit carried away with my middle east examples too and forgot about domestic.

Well a few more short ones. this time all domestic  

RUH-JED 530 miles with SV A300, A330, B777, B743, B744 though longer than many others that were mentioned here
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:14 pm

DL routinely puts 763's on ATL-SAV for a few flights around the weekend of the Masters golf tournament finale.
 
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:35 pm

Longer than some here, back in 1990 I flew Air Inter SXB - ORY (241 miles) on their A300B2.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 24):
SIN-KUL has to be one of the shortest flying today... 185 mi, and sees A330's from SQ and UL (and maybe MH, I can't remember).

Edit -- I should read the OP more often... This isn't really a domestic flight...

At one point, before Singapore split from Malaysia this would have been a domestic flight, but widebodies didn't exist then!
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:35 pm

AC's famous "Gimli Glider" 767-200 in July 1983 was operating YUL-YOW-YEG. The YUL-YOW sector is 82 nm.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 43):

Air Inter was also operating its Airbus A300 on NCE-BIA & NCE-CLY during the summer, respectively 138mi (120nm) & 112mi (98nm)
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 4):
ATL-FLL or ATL-MCO had a 772 for a while as well when the 772 was new. At least that was my understanding.

At one point back in 2000-2001 (maybe even later), DL was flying at least one flight a day between ATL and MCO with every widebody type in the fleet at the time (762, 763, 764, L1011, MD-11, 777). I don't recall ATL-FLL-ATL having 777 service, but it was one of the initial routes for the 764. I flew ATL-MCO twice on the 777 and I remember BusinessElite being fairly empty both times. One of those times, I stuck with the a/c, as it then did a MCO-JFK-MCO run before heading back to ATL (I got off at JFK and hopped on a 763ER back to ATL.).

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 42):

DL routinely puts 763's on ATL-SAV for a few flights around the weekend of the Masters golf tournament finale.

Don't you mean Augusta (AGS), as that's where the tournament is...
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:35 am

DEN-COS Roundtrip on UA with a DC-10. Late 90s I believe...
 
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:20 am

Can I just say that now the evening QR flight to BAH has been upgraded to a Boeing 777-200LR...

A 90 mile flight on a 200LR, wow, talk about the antitheses of what the plane was originally built for.
 
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RE: What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebod

Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 40):

The shortest I can think of is POS - TAB, flown by BW with TriStars back in 1991-1993! The 80km (50 mile) route was flown on services which continued to and from FRA, ZRH and ARN. In those days MD83s were the standard equipment on the route. I think that on rare occasions in the Noughties the A340-300 also did one-offs on the route.

Trintocan.

You beat me to it. I was going to say that route. ( That's also a domestic flight. The only one for T&T) I rode the L-1011 from POS to TAB. It took more time to board the plane than the 15 minute flight.
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