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What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:47 am

So I was flying ORD-IAD the other day and the lady who was sitting in the row in front of me kept texting on her phone despite the cabin door being closed and all the security announcements have been made. During the final security check, one of the flight attendants caught her and said very politely if she could turn off her phone immediately (note that this was as we were taxiing for take-off). The lady ignored him and kept texting. FA then raised his voice and said "ma'am, turn off your phone NOW!". She kept ignoring him at which point the captain informed all FAs for take-off so he went to take a seat (assuming the lady would follow orders). But she didn't - all the passengers, including me, gazed at each other in dismay and laughed it off....she happily texted away until after take off at which point I assume she lost signal. I wonder what you would've done. Do you, as a passenger, have a duty to tell a FA (which may cause the pilot to return to the gate and kick her off = delay) or say nothing?
 
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:07 am

Disobeying a lawful command by cabin crew is an offence here in the UK under the air navigation act.

I would have advised the customer (in a loud voice so all could hear) that perhaps she was unfamiliar with travelling and unless she turned the phone off I would inform the flight crew that the cabin was not secure, resulting in the flight being potentially delayed. If that fell on deaf ears I would consider her unfit for travel and have her offloaded from the flight.

Disobeying crew at any level is the thin edge of the wedge and needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP.
 
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:31 am

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 1):
Disobeying a lawful command by cabin crew is an offence here in the UK under the air navigation act.

As it is in the US.

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 1):
Disobeying crew at any level is the thin edge of the wedge and needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP.

  

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 1):
I would have advised the customer (in a loud voice so all could hear) that perhaps she was unfamiliar with travelling and unless she turned the phone off I would inform the flight crew that the cabin was not secure, resulting in the flight being potentially delayed. If that fell on deaf ears I would consider her unfit for travel and have her offloaded from the flight.

Why not just pick the phone up out of her hands? Raising voices seems to be an ominous beginning to a flight.

More generally, what if the airlines made everyone watch a video at the time of booking about general Etiquette on planes?
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:27 pm

I have had a similar thing happen with the person next to me, I simply said "you may not have heard the announcement to turn off all things with an on/off switch". The guy was quite unhappy that I had the nerve to even talk to him. After that attitude I just told the FA when she came by to take my drink order after we got airborne, much to this clowns surprise. It really got funny when she asked to see his phone at it was not OFF. She told him if it was not off when she brought our drinks back that security would be meeting him at the gate in PHL. We had a very cold rest of the flight to say the least!
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):

The raised voice usually works as it embarrasses the offending passenger into switching the phone off.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):
More generally, what if the airlines made everyone watch a video at the time of booking about general Etiquette on planes?

No, using phones or other electronic devices when they're not allowed isn't a matter of etiquette, it's a federal law. It's also a federal law to abide by all crewmember and FA instructions.

It always bothers me when people don't follow the rules about phones during flight. In all of my experiences, the offending passenger is caught by the FA, and complies with their request. However, if an FA didn't notice, I would absolutely notify them.

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
After that attitude I just told the FA when she came by to take my drink order after we got airborne, much to this clowns surprise.

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Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:26 am

I think in the near future use of phones on board will be permitted at anytime..
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:03 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
the captain informed all FAs for take-off so he went to take a seat (assuming the lady would follow orders)

In my mind the FA acted wrongly. Perhaps an FA could correct me if I'm wrong but the appropriate thing to do here would be to inform the captain the cabin wasn't secure, not shrug your shoulders and take your seat. Yes it would have delayed departure, but if someone is refusing to turn the phone off and are disobeying crew instructions then the wheels shouldn't leave the ground.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Do you, as a passenger, have a duty to tell a FA (which may cause the pilot to return to the gate and kick her off = delay) or say nothing?

I think so. I say this after (to my shame) not informing the flight attendants that the person sitting on the emergency exist STANK of vodka. This was last year on a 737-700 in the overawing exit row. This (obviously inebriated) gentleman was in A and I was in C. B was empty. When a flight attendant did the exit row briefing she asked if we had read the emergency exit operation card. He said he didn't need to since it was easy... all you had to do was punch it out with you fists while making loud dramatic noises (or so he evidently thought). The FA was clearly uneasy by his behaviour but since he agreed to listen to her briefing she let him off (although she kept watching him out of the corner of her eye the entire time she was talking). I sat on my hands and didn't inform her that her suspicions were correct. In doing so I unnecessarily endangered people's lives.

From then on (racked by potential guilt) I've adopted a firm line that passengers have a duty to their fellow passengers to dob on each other if one poses a potential safety risk.

Quoting September11 (Reply 6):
I think in the near future use of phones on board will be permitted at anytime..

Not at take off or landing. Maybe you might be right during cruise (say when the seat belt sign is off)
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:10 am

Having been to a funeral service yesterday where no less than two phones rang loudly in the church, this addiction to being in constantly in contact with "something" is very hard to break. I was also at a funeral where a person actually answered the phone in the church, and no it was not a life or death call either. He was so unconcerned, despite the glares.

If persons cannot obey the rules, then the FAs should come down hard on them. However the airlines have some mixed messages with differing rules, some allowing taxi use, some doors open only, helping to confuse the issue.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
The lady ignored him and kept texting. FA then raised his voice and said "ma'am, turn off your phone NOW!". She kept ignoring him at which point the captain informed all FAs for take-off so he went to take a seat (assuming the lady would follow orders). But she didn't - all the passengers, including me, gazed at each other in dismay and laughed it off....she happily texted away until after take off at which point I assume she lost signal.

Shame they could not have taken her off the flight. If she doesnt follow orders for even the basic of things then what about in an emergency.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 8):
Having been to a funeral service yesterday where no less than two phones rang loudly in the church, this addiction to being in constantly in contact with "something" is very hard to break. I was also at a funeral where a person actually answered the phone in the church, and no it was not a life or death call either. He was so unconcerned, despite the glares.

Indeed . Funny you mention that today I was out shopping and on my way home passed a funeral. You should see what some of the Women were wearing and deemed respectable dress. So it comes as no surprise to me about people taking calls . Totally disgusting.
 
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:04 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
In my mind the FA acted wrongly. Perhaps an FA could correct me if I'm wrong but the appropriate thing to do here would be to inform the captain the cabin wasn't secure, not shrug your shoulders and take your seat. Yes it would have delayed departure, but if someone is refusing to turn the phone off and are disobeying crew instructions then the wheels shouldn't leave the ground.

Hit the nail on the head.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
He said he didn't need to since it was easy... all you had to do was punch it out with you fists while making loud dramatic noises (or so he evidently thought).

I hope he was just trying to be funny, and even if he was, that's not something to joke about to begin with.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
From then on (racked by potential guilt) I've adopted a firm line that passengers have a duty to their fellow passengers to dob on each other if one poses a potential safety risk.

  

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 8):
If persons cannot obey the rules, then the FAs should come down hard on them.

Yep, it's a federal law...

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 8):
However the airlines have some mixed messages with differing rules, some allowing taxi use, some doors open only, helping to confuse the issue.

Mixed messages? How? The rules are always stated by the FAs - all electronics must be OFF when the main cabin door is closed, approved electronics are allowed at cruising altitude only, but must remain off during climb and descent. After landing, phones and other electronics may be used again.
 
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:53 am

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 1):
Disobeying a lawful command by cabin crew is an offence here in the UK under the air navigation act.
Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):
As it is in the US.

in the US i've heard of prison times of 5-10 years for mere infractions like that.

It is a huge security risk, no questions asked. I've heard of flights getting cancelled or grounded for reasons such as this. That FA should've been all over that lady.
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:23 pm

Well i like to take pictures/video during takeoff and landing for my trip reports - i know technically not allowed, but take a look at youtube... On my flight last week i was asked to turn it off for takeoff/landing and i did. My opinion is that using electronic devices won't bring the plane down (backed up by the fact they use iPads on the flight deck now) but if your caught doing it then you gotta hold your hands up and admit defeat.
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
in the US i've heard of prison times of 5-10 years for mere infractions like that.

It is a huge security risk, no questions asked. I've heard of flights getting cancelled or grounded for reasons such as this. That FA should've been all over that lady.

  

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 12):
using electronic devices won't bring the plane down (backed up by the fact they use iPads on the flight deck now)

Right, but are they using iPads for sending and receiving data? I thought that was the concern with phones.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:50 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 10):
The rules are always stated by the FAs - all electronics must be OFF when the main cabin door is closed, approved electronics are allowed at cruising altitude only, but must remain off during climb and descent. After landing, phones and other electronics may be used again.



I don't believe your statement is totally correct for U.S. airlines, most allow approved electronic devices to be used above 10,000' and will want them powered down when descending through 10,000' before landing. At least is what I've found to be the norm on UA as recent as last evening.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 13):
Right, but are they using iPads for sending and receiving data? I thought that was the concern with phones.

No, but cameras don't send or receive data either.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:57 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 12):
Well i like to take pictures/video during takeoff and landing for my trip reports - i know technically not allowed, but take a look at youtube... On my flight last week i was asked to turn it off for takeoff/landing and i did. My opinion is that using electronic devices won't bring the plane down (backed up by the fact they use iPads on the flight deck now) but if your caught doing it then you gotta hold your hands up and admit defeat.

What will you do if one day there is a crash? Go to the families of the diseased and say you're sorry for thinking you knew better than the people who evaluated and recommended the ban? Should they just happily say - well since it didn't create a crash every time that's fine.
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 14):
I don't believe your statement is totally correct for U.S. airlines, most allow approved electronic devices to be used above 10,000' and will want them powered down when descending through 10,000' before landing.

Yes, thanks for the correction. I believe that 10,000 feet is correct. (not cruising altitude, which is what I said)

Quoting cmf (Reply 16):

... What?   
 
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:27 am

In Canada the rules are pretty black and white. (As I am sure they are in the United States)

If a passenger does not comply with a Crew Member's request after the doors have been closed, then the "disruptive passenger" checklist starts.

The Flight Attendant would then advise the Captain that he/she has a "disruptive passenger", and what level has been reached. I wont go into details, for obvious security reasons, but ... even at the lowest level, the aircraft is stopped (if still on the ground), and the problem is addressed. The most common solution is the return to the gate, and have the "problem" removed, usually in handcuffs.

I can't imagine why this process was not followed, in this instance.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):
Why not just pick the phone up out of her hands? Raising voices seems to be an ominous beginning to a flight.

No sense starting a physical altercation. If the passenger will not comply, then the passenger is removed. The law is pretty cut and dry, no grey area.
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):
Why not just pick the phone up out of her hands? Raising voices seems to be an ominous beginning to a flight

You can't do that. There was a case recently in Hamburg in a suburban train where a young lady made a phone call , speaking quite loud. The passengers asked her to stop and one guy picked the phone and threw it out of nthe window. He was charged and she can sue for damages.

In an aircraft it is up to the FAs to handle the situation and if needed the captain can return to the gate and off-load the passenger.
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):

I disagree. Anything that poses a threat to the safe operation of the aircraft can and should be removed from that person and made safe. I confiscated a mobile when a passenger refused to turn it off, both the flight crew and the company backed me up 100% for doing so!

IMO there is no grey area when it comes to the safety of myself, my crew and my passengers, if it says off its gotta be OFF end of story.

Quite clearly the case in Hamburg is wholly different.
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:07 pm

Assuming that you are flight crew, I said that:


[quote=PanHAM,reply=19]In an aircraft it is up to the FAs to handle the situation and if needed the captain can return to the gate and off-load the passenger.[/quote
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 20):
I confiscated a mobile when a passenger refused to turn it off, both the flight crew and the company backed me up 100% for doing so!


There is a very subtle difference between "confiscating" an illegal object in use, and "taking/grabbing" it from a passenger starting an altercation. And yes, it has happened!

In my opinion, its far easier and safer to remain a distance away, and if the passenger will not shut off the offending device ... fine, you were asked once, now you are getting off, in handcuffs and charged. No negotiation, no second chance, just off. No altercation. Best to leave that to the professionals.
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 17):
Quoting cmf (Reply 16):

... What?   

What ?
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting cmf (Reply 16):

Once again, i state that if they use an iPad on the flight deck, then how is that any different to using a camera in the cabin?
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 24):
Once again, i state that if they use an iPad on the flight deck, then how is that any different to using a camera in the cabin?


If any electronic device is approved for use in the cockpit, it is thoroughly tested for use in that location only. For example, while I am allowed to use the airline issued iPad in the cockpit, I am only allowed to use the SAME iPad in the cabin above 10,000'.

For use in the cockpit below 10,000', the iPad must be secured by a device in the cockpit, built by Boeing/Airbus/Embraer or an approved third party ... then tested and approved by Transport Canada. (or governing body of any country in question).

It is irrelevant if anyone agrees with these rules, these ARE the rules and must be followed. If one does not agree with the rules, there are avenues that can be followed. It is NOT one of those avenues to use the device against the wishes of a Flight Attendant enforcing the rules because one is certain one knows better.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:51 am

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 24):
Once again, i state that if they use an iPad on the flight deck, then how is that any different to using a camera in the cabin?

What longhauler said.

In addition. Just because it doesn't cause problems every time doesn't mean it doesn't create problems sometimes. How will you make things right after that time when all the things that caused electronic devices to be banned come together and there is an accident because you decided to break the rule?
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:11 am

I was on a UA flight one time when they made the usual "electronics off" announcement. About three minutes later, the crew announced that they had a special monitor to show that there were four more devices still showing that they were on. I knew it was just a joke but the lady next to me was quite surprised they had such technology. They probably do but UA was not using it that day.

Going back to the OP, why did the flight attendant just inform the captain of the situation? I know they were ready for departure but I have been on plenty of flights where we were lined up and then pulled off to fix an issue.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):

In my mind the FA acted wrongly. Perhaps an FA could correct me if I'm wrong but the appropriate thing to do here would be to inform the captain the cabin wasn't secure, not shrug your shoulders and take your seat. Yes it would have delayed departure, but if someone is refusing to turn the phone off and are disobeying crew instructions then the wheels shouldn't leave the ground.

Agreed!

The FA should've informed to the cabin supervisor and take off should not have happened as long as that particular passenger did not comply to the regulations.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:26 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 25):
It is irrelevant if anyone agrees with these rules, these ARE the rules and must be followed. If one does not agree with the rules, there are avenues that can be followed. It is NOT one of those avenues to use the device against the wishes of a Flight Attendant enforcing the rules because one is certain one knows better.

That's the point I made earlier in the thread. Whilst I can't see how a few milliamps from a battery can cause any major interference, I still obeyed the crew when I was asked to turn it off.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 29):
I still obeyed the crew when I was asked to turn it off.

If so there would be no problem but per your earlier post you knowingly ignored instructions and only if caught would " hold your hands up and admit defeat."

That isn't obeying crew. It is being caught with the hand in the cookie jar.
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
In Canada the rules are pretty black and white. (As I am sure they are in the United States)
Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
The law is pretty cut and dry, no grey area.

  

Quoting longhauler (Reply 22):
In my opinion, its far easier and safer to remain a distance away, and if the passenger will not shut off the offending device ... fine, you were asked once, now you are getting off, in handcuffs and charged. No negotiation, no second chance, just off.

Hit the nail on the head.

Quoting cmf (Reply 23):
What ?

I was confused by this:

Quoting cmf (Reply 16):
What will you do if one day there is a crash? Go to the families of the diseased and say you're sorry for thinking you knew better than the people who evaluated and recommended the ban? Should they just happily say - well since it didn't create a crash every time that's fine.

  

Quoting legacyins (Reply 27):
About three minutes later, the crew announced that they had a special monitor to show that there were four more devices still showing that they were on. I knew it was just a joke but the lady next to me was quite surprised they had such technology.

   Some seriously gullible people in the wold these days...

Quoting cmf (Reply 30):
That isn't obeying crew. It is being caught with the hand in the cookie jar.

Huh?
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 31):
I was confused by this:
Quoting AlnessW (Reply 31):
Huh?

Explain your issues in sentences and we can discuss.
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Do you, as a passenger, have a duty to tell a FA (which may cause the pilot to return to the gate and kick her off = delay) or say nothing?

I wouldn't say you have a duty, although it would be appreciated. Or you could ask him/her yourself why he/she believes that they are somehow above the rules. This really irks me!

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 12):
Well i like to take pictures/video during takeoff and landing for my trip reports - i know technically not allowed, but take a look at youtube... On my flight last week i was asked to turn it off for takeoff/landing and i did. My opinion is that using electronic devices won't bring the plane down (backed up by the fact they use iPads on the flight deck now) but if your caught doing it then you gotta hold your hands up and admit defeat.

As a flight attendant, I know what you are talking about. Frankly I do not give a damn whether your device is on or not. Let's face it, if they really had the potential to down an aircraft, they simply would not be allowed on board to begin with. However, if I see something, I must react. I am required to. So just be a good sneak about it, don't let me see it, then we are good!
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:31 am

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 33):

EXACTLY, I could care less if your phone/camera/iPad/kindle etc is on but if it's in my view then it's my responsibility to act on it.
 
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:39 am

Quoting cmf (Reply 32):
Explain your issues in sentences and we can discuss.

Sure. I don't get what point you're trying to make here:

Quoting cmf (Reply 16):
What will you do if one day there is a crash? Go to the families of the diseased and say you're sorry for thinking you knew better than the people who evaluated and recommended the ban?

What exactly does this mean? Are you trying to be funny? I'm sorry, I'm just confused here...

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 34):
EXACTLY, I could care less if your phone/camera/iPad/kindle etc is on but if it's in my view then it's my responsibility to act on it.

  
 
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Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:24 am

While I must say, the woman was certainly a world class B, she disobeyed a direct order from a member of the flight crew and should have been ostracized and legally punished for doing so as a matter of principle and being said B.

That said, cell phones/electronic devices were perceived and at one point could have perhaps had minimal impact on flight instruments but with the advent of MFD's, liquid crystal, plasma, et.al., a cell phone or iPad being in the horrific 'on' position when they 'are not supposed to be' does not cause disruption to flight systems/communications/whatever was scared they would 25 years ago when the regulations were written.

Its time regs are revised to include 2012 technology/common sense and quit freaking out about people playing words with friends after the door is closed when there are important issues at hand.

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Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:43 am

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 36):
Its time regs are revised to include 2012 technology/common sense and quit freaking out about people playing words with friends after the door is closed when there are important issues at hand.

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      Remeber that Mythbusters episode where they actually tested the impact of such objects and found it to be a myth? Well I believe someone in the FAA actually called that episode a "myth"   
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:48 am

we have a similar situation in Germany where you can't use cellphones in hospitals. The actiual reason for that is, that the hospitals rip off patients by forcing them to use the hospital phones at exorbitant rates. A hotel owner would get arrested for fraud and blackmail.



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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 36):
While I must say, the woman was certainly a world class B, she disobeyed a direct order from a member of the flight crew and should have been ostracized and legally punished for doing so as a matter of principle and being said B.


Hit the nail on the head.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 37):
Remeber that Mythbusters episode where they actually tested the impact of such objects and found it to be a myth?


   I do remember that episode.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 37):
Well I believe someone in the FAA actually called that episode a "myth"


   Typical FAA.
 
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:58 pm

I always take a mind my own business attitude.

No one's life is in danger because someone's listening to their ipod or banging away on their laptop, or playing games on their Ipad. If the flight attendant sees them doing it at the wrong time, they will take appropriate action, but, it's not up to me to actively rat out my fellow passengers or to wag my finger at them and demand they comply. Live and let live.

IMO, this whole enforced sterility below ten thousand feet has taken the fun out of flying. I'm old enough to remember when none of these rules existed. I could get on the plane as a kid, crank up my walkman or CD player and rock out during taxi, take off and landing, it made the experience of flying so much cooler and so much more relaxing as a passenger. Now-a-days it's all about fear, we're supposed to sit like storm troopers watching everyone around us suspiciously, ready to pounce on them if they say or do the wrong thing at the wrong time. We're supposed to view everyone as being a potential terrorist or potential threat and be ready to jump all over them if they get out of line.

Personally, I think flying would be a much pleasanter experience if everyone just did their own thing and didn't worry about what the person in front of them, behind them, or in the seat next to them was doing.
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:14 pm

One other reason for not allowing the use of electronic devices from pushback from the gate to a certain point in a flight is to make sure passengers are not distracted if there is an emergency, which is most likely during that period.
 
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:56 am

Warn the Pax.....Finally use the Tiewraps  
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RE: What If Passenger Doesn't Listen To FA?

Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 40):
I always take a mind my own business attitude.


Is my safety and the safety of everyone on board not my business? Is obeying federal laws not my business?

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 40):
IMO, this whole enforced sterility below ten thousand feet has taken the fun out of flying.


What? Why?

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 40):
Personally, I think flying would be a much pleasanter experience if everyone just did their own thing and didn't worry about what the person in front of them, behind them, or in the seat next to them was doing.


Well you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but know of many people including myself that would disagree with that statement. See my previous comment.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 41):
One other reason for not allowing the use of electronic devices from pushback from the gate to a certain point in a flight is to make sure passengers are not distracted if there is an emergency, which is most likely during that period.


You make an excellent point.

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