musapapaya
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Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:53 pm

Dear all

I am looking into booking a trip from MAN to SYD for about 2 weeks to meet my girlfriend over there, I have never been anywhere south of Singapore in my life so would appreciate some help.

The cheapest flight I can get is this:

Travelling to Sydney


Manchester (MAN) to Helsinki (HEL)

Duration: 2hr 50mn
AY 934
Economy/Coach Class , Embraer 190


Helsinki (HEL) to Hong Kong (HKG)
Duration: 9hr 45mn
AY 61
Economy/Coach Class , Breakfast, AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-300


Hong Kong (HKG) to Sydney (SYD)
Arrive 20:10
Duration: 9hr 10mn
AY 5849
Operated by: CATHAY PACIFIC
Economy/Coach Class , Breakfast, Airbus A330


Total distance: 10,567 mi (17,006 km)
Total duration: 21hr 45mn (24hr 55mn with connections)


Travelling to Manchester

Sydney (SYD) to Singapore (SIN)
Duration: 8hr 10mn
AY 5004
Operated by: QANTAS AIRWAYS

Economy/Coach Class , Dinner, Boeing 747


Singapore (SIN) to Helsinki (HEL)
Duration: 12hr 0mn
AY 82

Economy/Coach Class , Breakfast, Airbus A340


Helsinki (HEL) to Manchester (MAN)
Duration: 3hr 0mn
AY 933

Economy/Coach Class , Embraer 190


Total distance: 10,793 mi (17,370 km)
Total duration: 23hr 10mn (26hr 35mn with connections)
Total cost: GBP1108.14

So ladies and gentlemen, I have 2 questions:
1. Which frequent flyer card should I apply for to get the maximum rewards miles? For this particular set of flights, 4 out of 6 are operetd by Finnair, shall I just get the Finnair one?
2. I notice for the flight from SYD - SIN, there is a BA flight a few minutes earlier than the QF flight, is QF supposed to be better in terms of service, as both aircrafts are 744s?

I really appreciate any feedback, so that I could hopefully have a good inagural 24 hour journey in my life!

Thanks
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:45 pm

Hi there,

When did you plan on going down to Australia?


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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting musapapaya (Thread starter):
1. Which frequent flyer card should I apply for to get the maximum rewards miles? For this particular set of flights, 4 out of 6 are operetd by Finnair, shall I just get the Finnair one?

You do not want to select a frequent flyer program based on just one trip. Apply for a program of the airline you are most likely to use for future travel. As for the itinerary you mentioned, you will get the miles for all segments even if you enroll in the AY program since all your flights belong to the same alliance. If you are based in England, you can apply for the BA program and still get all the miles for your trip even if you are not flying BA on this trip.

[Edited 2012-07-15 09:59:07]
 
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:00 pm

I'd apply for a BA account and get everything credited to them since they are who you are most likely to fly on.

However, did you check if you get 100% mileage accrual on all segments on all programs? Sometimes it is less than 100%.

As far as BA vs QF. They are quite similar. Since you live in the UK, I'd probably go for QF because they are exotic.
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:43 pm

Thank you everybody for their replies so far, this is very appreciated!

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 1):
When did you plan on going down to Australia?

I plan to be there for 2 weeks starting the 26 August until about 7 September. Just so I take 2 weeks off work from this very dark and wet country!

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 2):
You do not want to select a frequent flyer program based on just one trip. Apply for a program of the airline you are most likely to use for future travel. As for the itinerary you mentioned, you will get the miles for all segments even if you enroll in the AY program since all your flights belong to the same alliance. If you are based in England, you can apply for the BA program and still get all the miles for your trip even if you are not flying BA on this trip.
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
I'd apply for a BA account and get everything credited to them since they are who you are most likely to fly on.

However, did you check if you get 100% mileage accrual on all segments on all programs? Sometimes it is less than 100%.

I agree that the BA programme should be morst useful, but I do not know how to check how many miles I can accrue for different programmes. The booking website does not tell me what class I am flying on.... So this is really bothering me, to be honest.... anybody knows how to find this out?

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
As far as BA vs QF. They are quite similar. Since you live in the UK, I'd probably go for QF because they are exotic.

Yeah, as I have never been on a QF metal before, I will take this option!

Thanks once again
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:18 pm

Using the Avios calculator on ba.com (under Executive Club > Collecting Avios) it seems like you would be earning 5344 total avios for the itinerary (calculated with discounted economy fare and considering what airline you fly on each leg of your journey).

By comparison, LHR-SIN-SYD and back all on BA would give you 21318 Avios. You may want to look at a different ticket or another FF program...
 
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:06 pm

William, what is the total elapsed journey time on the flights via HEL HKG/SIN to/from SYD? It is a long ride to SYD and when you factor in connection times, you are traveling 25-30hours continously. The BA/QF options via LHR may provide you a speedier elapsed journey time for a reasonable increase in cost.
Speaking of the BA/QF combination. I would book BA/QF via LHR and fly the long haul to/from LHR on QF. Although as an American I really enjoy BA service, I've found QF to have a bit better food and service style, and it may provide you the option to fly the A380 in either direction. Fares are basically the same because of their code-share/joint service agreement.
I can't speak for your budget, but if you're within a few hundred pounds using the most direct BA/QF service I'd opt for that to reduce your overall travel time, and benefit more directly on your miles accrual through the BA program.
Let us know what you decide. Good Luck and have a great trip,
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting AZA330 (Reply 5):
Using the Avios calculator on ba.com (under Executive Club > Collecting Avios) it seems like you would be earning 5344 total avios for the itinerary (calculated with discounted economy fare and considering what airline you fly on each leg of your journey).

By comparison, LHR-SIN-SYD and back all on BA would give you 21318 Avios. You may want to look at a different ticket or another FF program...

Thank you, I shall have a better look, I know that CX's FF programme is one of the worst for cheap Y class tickets as you ofthen do not get a single mile on your account at all!

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 6):
William, what is the total elapsed journey time on the flights via HEL HKG/SIN to/from SYD? It is a long ride to SYD and when you factor in connection times, you are traveling 25-30hours continously. The BA/QF options via LHR may provide you a speedier elapsed journey time for a reasonable increase in cost.
Speaking of the BA/QF combination. I would book BA/QF via LHR and fly the long haul to/from LHR on QF. Although as an American I really enjoy BA service, I've found QF to have a bit better food and service style, and it may provide you the option to fly the A380 in either direction. Fares are basically the same because of their code-share/joint service agreement.
I can't speak for your budget, but if you're within a few hundred pounds using the most direct BA/QF service I'd opt for that to reduce your overall travel time, and benefit more directly on your miles accrual through the BA program.
Let us know what you decide. Good Luck and have a great trip,
Thomas

Thanks Thomas, I did look at the Heathrow option, but I live right at the north of england and travelling to LHR itself will take me a good 5 to 6 hours. The itinerary I quote have a total journey time of 26 hours or so, so its not the worst, I can go with Emirates with one stop but they price is a little higher and that I fancy to see Helsonki airport in a way, at the end of the day, I have never tried AY and QF so these are 2 airlines I can log myself onto. But I will keep you guys informed once I purchase the ticket.

Thanks again
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:40 pm

The fare on BA departing MAN on 8/26 returning from SYD on 9/7 is GBP 1099.95 including all taxes and fees. Total elapsed journey time is 25Hours20Minutes outbound and 25Hours 50Minutes on the return.
Routing is MAN-LHR-SYD departing @ 650pm using BA Domestic to LHR and QF on the A380 LHR-SYD. The return routing is all BA service, departing SYD 345pm arriving MAN 0835 on 9/8. The LHR-MAN leg on the return is operated as "BMI Regional" flight with a BA flight #.
Schedules and fares obtained on the UK website of BA. Not sure of total mileage accrual but the QF flight counts the same as the BA flight and the total journey would accrue from MAN to SYD.
I can appreciate the more "exotic" of using the HEL connections and flying on AY, CX and QF, but this fare and schedule using BA/QF originating MAN as well appears to me to be a good deal, and I wanted to share it with you.
It is an exciting trip. I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to AU and NZ last year, and I'm ready to go again; however, my plans this year include the UK (sunshine anytime soon folks?) and Germany for Oktoberfest.
Let's hear what you decide,
Thomas
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 4):
The booking website does not tell me what class I am flying on.... So this is really bothering me, to be honest.... anybody knows how to find this out?

Have you tried expedia? I have noticed with delight that they now show the booking classes - a really welcome improvement to their booking engine!

I try to avoid QF if on the B744 - I found the uncomfortable and cramped just 3.5 hours to Melbourne. Having said that, I believe they have new seats now, and the A380 LHR-SIN is certainly an incentive. I would always go BA over QF long haul, but as another poster said befiore: For you in the UK the QF is the more "exotic" one, and I tend to use those   AY is a good airline, too, but I have only flown short haul on them, so can't judge their long haul product...

Overall, I find the QF FF program really good. I have used it for many years for all my OneWorld flights, and it is easy, fair and just a pleasure to use online as well.

Either way - have a fabulous holiday - I know you will love it!

Cheers
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting AZA330 (Reply 5):
By comparison, LHR-SIN-SYD and back all on BA would give you 21318 Avios

This has to do with the JSA that QF and BA have. Many years ago, BA only gave 25% on discount economy, and QF gave 100%, so despite the JSA it depended what metal/code you had as to the ffp's. A number of complaints later, and BA had to offer 100% for discount and full economy.
 
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting wunala (Reply 10):
Many years ago, BA only gave 25% on discount economy

Yup... I remember those days   It seems like it was not too long ago, either...

For some reason I also thought that giving 100% of the flown miles in spite of the booking class in coach had something to do with the joint venture with AA and IB... whatever the reason, I am very thankful for the new standard when I fly them in Traveller  

Anyway, from looking at the Avios calculator it seems that Finnair still does that 25% thing...
 
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:08 pm

Hello folks

Just to share with you all my joy, I have just booked this itineary! I cant wait to go to Sydney for a couple of weeks!

Travelling to Sydney


Manchester (MAN) to Helsinki (HEL)

Duration: 2hr 50mn
AY 934
Economy/Coach Class , Embraer 190


Helsinki (HEL) to Hong Kong (HKG)
Duration: 9hr 45mn
AY 61
Economy/Coach Class , Breakfast, AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A330-300


Hong Kong (HKG) to Sydney (SYD)
Arrive 20:10
Duration: 9hr 10mn
AY 5849
Operated by: CATHAY PACIFIC
Economy/Coach Class , Breakfast, Airbus A330


Total distance: 10,567 mi (17,006 km)
Total duration: 21hr 45mn (24hr 55mn with connections)


Travelling to Manchester

Sydney (SYD) to Singapore (SIN)
Duration: 8hr 10mn
AY 5004
Operated by: QANTAS AIRWAYS

Economy/Coach Class , Dinner, Boeing 747


Singapore (SIN) to Helsinki (HEL)
Duration: 12hr 0mn
AY 82

Economy/Coach Class , Breakfast, Airbus A340


Helsinki (HEL) to Manchester (MAN)
Duration: 3hr 0mn
AY 933

Economy/Coach Class , Embraer 190


Total distance: 10,793 mi (17,370 km)
Total duration: 23hr 10mn (26hr 35mn with connections)


Thanks all
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RE: Help Planning A Trip To SYD

Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:51 pm

When you get there, if you want a really cheap way to see both the Opera House and the Harbour Bridge from the Harbour, go down to Circular Quay, and take the Neutral Bay Ferry. It's about $4, and takes about 30 minutes to go around the harbour, but it's got some absolutely killer views of both sights.

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