pesit4a
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Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:34 am

Hello all,

I am considering using the morning JFK-LHR services operated by both BA and AA instead of the more normal evening departures / early morning arrivals.

Reason being is I hate hate hate the jet lag I suffer and the general feeling of horribleness one gets on the overnight sectors from the US to Europe.

Has anyone here traveled on the morning departures from New York? Does it help adjust to the new time zone, or do you feel even worse? Are passengers generally awake and watching movies etc or is everyone trying to catch some sleep?

Any answers much appreciated!
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:06 am

I've not flown dayflights JFK-LHR but have done IAD-LHR several times, both on United and BA (when they operated it).

Personally I generally find it a waste of a day, I don't have any problems myself with the short overnights from the US East Coast but the time I did those flights was largely for the benefit of my wife or to fit plans when I landed. I'd say on the flights I took (Business and First) there were a mix of sleepers and those staying awake, just like a typical longhaul dayflight. I'm not sure why people want to sleep though given it's a very short day given the 5hr time difference.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:16 am

Personally I find taking one of the later flights that arrive around 10am is better. If you skip dinner you get enough sleep and are still tired enough to go to sleep at a reasonable time upon arrival.

6 or 7 am arrivals into Europe means you only get a couple hours of sleep and have to make it through an entire day.

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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:44 am

Quoting pesit4a (Thread starter):
Reason being is I hate hate hate the jet lag I suffer and the general feeling of horribleness one gets on the overnight sectors from the US to Europe.

Well, I guess it's 2 of us then. I always suffer jet lag a lot when returning to Europe from the US. I'm usually knocked out for at least a couple of days.

Quoting pesit4a (Thread starter):
Has anyone here traveled on the morning departures from New York? Does it help adjust to the new time zone, or do you feel even worse?

While I've never tried a morning New York departure so far (but plan on doing so next time I go to New York), I'm pretty sure it would help. I've noticed that the "I'm wasted and I feel horrible" thing is just about the same thing I get if I skip a night of sleep at home, without any jet lag involved. For example, at a long party, or whatever stuff I used to do back when I was 18  
Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 1):
Personally I generally find it a waste of a day

Rationally yes, I agree. But if sitting on a plane that very day makes sure that you don't feel miserable the 2 following days, it's actually 1 day gained. So it all depends on how well you tolerate the lack of sleep / jet lag combination.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
Personally I find taking one of the later flights that arrive around 10am is better. If you skip dinner you get enough sleep and are still tired enough to go to sleep at a reasonable time upon arrival.

Which leads to another question to everyone: is there anyone else who can't get *any* sleep on planes here? Of all the flying I've done, I've actually caught my very first sleep during my last LAX-ZRH on Swiss Business. With their wonderful lie-flat seats, after trying to sleep for about 3 hours, I actually managed to get some shut-eye for 2 hours or so, while everyone else around me was soundly asleep the whole time (about 6.5 hours of cabin darkness). Oh well.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:57 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
is there anyone else who can't get *any* sleep on planes here?

Sure, I'm one. I don't get to travel in First or Business, and I simply can't sleep sitting up (except rarely for 30 minutes or so). I generally try to plan a late morning arrival, if at all possible; or better, pre-arrange with the hotel for early checkin (some places will let you do this, other's won't, or will want to change an entire extra day). I land, take a 2-3 hour nap, do the rest of my day, sleep that night, and that gets me over the worst of it.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:02 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
is there anyone else who can't get *any* sleep on planes here?

I hardly can, and even then patchy and uncomfortble. It took an exhausting break in Singapore for me to sleep from Malaysia to north Turkey once (about 8hrs, SIN-CDG). Then I just looked at it as a massive waste of business class (personally paid for) money - There was good champagne to be drunk!!
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:22 pm

Have travelled a few times on the AA daylight JFK-LHR, and let me tell you,,

it's a great way to beat jetlag...!!!


Your up early enough in NYC, due to having to be a Keneddy a couple of hours prior to ETD.
the flight leave say 0930... getting into LHR 2130... ,
so by the time you've deplaned / passport / bagges retrival it's nearer 22.30... made you way home... say within one hour...it's 23.30....

Works out a busy day of travelling, so you hit the sack for 8 hours...

Hey presto.... Next day NO JET LAG..

honest it works...

p.s. trick is to stay awake on the JFK-LHR flighjt... no napping.
 
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:22 pm

Jet lag wasn't much of a problem on my last trip to Europe, but I had a 6-month-old baby at home, so my sleep schedule was a mess at the time anyway. I only slept about 2 hours on my DTW-FRA segment, and even less on the CDG-SLC return, but I was used to taking whatever I could get. That is one of the few examples of how kids make travel easier.
 
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:37 pm

I've done AC's YYZ-LHR daytime flight - dep. 0900, arr. 2100, and found it was a much better way to arrive and get to sleep after a long day of travel...

However, you're good for the first couple of days, but by day 3, you wake up at, say, 9am, and your body suddenly reminds you that it's actually 3am at home... so be prepared to have a good long sleep-in after a couple of days.

Overall, though, a much better way to travel than arriving at LHR bleary-eyed, dazed & confused, having lost most of a night's sleep.

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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:39 pm

Ive always wanted to take the day flight . I hate overnight flights even if it means loosing a day . I agree with above that sometimes it often takes a few days to get back to normal whatever class your flying in .
 
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:06 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
Well, I guess it's 2 of us then. I always suffer jet lag a lot when returning to Europe from the US. I'm usually knocked out for at least a couple of days.

Absolutely same here! Other long hauls dont have the same affect on me at all. It's US - Europe that really kills me.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
Rationally yes, I agree. But if sitting on a plane that very day makes sure that you don't feel miserable the 2 following days, it's actually 1 day gained. So it all depends on how well you tolerate the lack of sleep / jet lag combination.

That's how I would view it too. Besides, having arrived in Dublin at 0520 for example, one is not really fit for doing much of anything.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
Which leads to another question to everyone: is there anyone else who can't get *any* sleep on planes here? Of all the flying I've done, I've actually caught my very first sleep during my last LAX-ZRH on Swiss Business. With their wonderful lie-flat seats, after trying to sleep for about 3 hours, I actually managed to get some shut-eye for 2 hours or so, while everyone else around me was soundly asleep the whole time (about 6.5 hours of cabin darkness). Oh well.

I can sleep in Business class without problems. Economy - no, apart from napping. On this proposed trip, "one" will unfortunately be travelling in steerage.  
Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 6):
Have travelled a few times on the AA daylight JFK-LHR, and let me tell you,,

it's a great way to beat jetlag...!!!


Your up early enough in NYC, due to having to be a Keneddy a couple of hours prior to ETD.
the flight leave say 0930... getting into LHR 2130... ,
so by the time you've deplaned / passport / bagges retrival it's nearer 22.30... made you way home... say within one hour...it's 23.30....

Works out a busy day of travelling, so you hit the sack for 8 hours...

Hey presto.... Next day NO JET LAG..

honest it works...

p.s. trick is to stay awake on the JFK-LHR flighjt... no napping.

This is exactly what I had in mind. Even though i would be eschewing a direct New York - Dublin service, they all operate at the traditional evening departure time from JFK and EWR. (It's a shame that with 3 airlines operating up to 5 daily flights on the route, nobody has yet seen fit to try a daylight departure from New York).

My plan is to connect on to the last flight of the day LHR-DUB, and be home in my bed by midnight.

Thanks all for the advice!  
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting pesit4a (Thread starter):
Has anyone here traveled on the morning departures from New York? Does it help adjust to the new time zone, or do you feel even worse? Are passengers generally awake and watching movies etc or is everyone trying to catch some sleep?

I've done it twice from BOS-LHR and it is an EXCELLENT way to travel. Did not have any problems whatsoever the next day in Europe.

It's always amusing to me to read all those postings here that claim that the daylight flights are a "waste of a day" when in fact the "traditional" overnight flights make one feel "wasted for days."

Now I just wish AA would give us a daylight MIA-LHR flight!
 
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:29 pm

I have worked the daylight YYZ-LHR many times, it is very very civil! You don't arrive dog-tired. But as many note above, eventually your body figures it out, and reminds you ... in spades!
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:02 pm

I have used the BA JFK-LHR daylight flight and found it an absolutley superb way to beat jet lag... all you want to do when you get back to London is hit the sack - which convention tells you you should be doing anyway... job done!  
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:26 pm

I did it once. I prefer the idea of flying during the day as it is more interesting and you arrive in London at a convenient time to get home and do stuff before going to bed. With the overnight flights you have to stay awake all day so that you sleep that night.

One drawback is having to get up early in the hotel to get to the airport for the early departure which means having to go to bed early on your last night in New York. I'm not an early morning sort of person.

I rarely get to sleep on planes due to the noise, the constant cabin service and the endless inflight entertainment so the daylight flight makes sense to me.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 11):
It's always amusing to me to read all those postings here that claim that the daylight flights are a "waste of a day" when in fact the "traditional" overnight flights make one feel "wasted for days."

Except the overnights don't leave me feeling wasted for days. I've done enough of them, and BA's (First and Club World) product is tailored very nicely for the short overnight flights and I don't suffer from jet lag so that I have a great routine down pat.

If I'm going to Europe for a weekend or a little more I'd prefer to put my time to good use rather than watching the clouds go by.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:39 pm

Hi all,

interesting to read those diffrent opinions about dayflights.
Personally I try to avoid taking ANY daytime medium/long haul
flight.
I generally dont have any problems with jetlags, but I just have
the feeling that the cabin is a bit more quiet during night times, and
thats all I care about.

I never really sleep on airplanes. Just keep it going with the waterbottles,
eat light easy to digest food and (try to) stay away from coffee/tea.
Adjust straight away to the new timezone. Maybe day one is a bit
more doozy but day two on a normal 'bodyclock'.

Good luck!
 
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 15):

Except the overnights don't leave me feeling wasted for days. I've done enough of them, and BA's (First and Club World) product is tailored very nicely for the short overnight flights and I don't suffer from jet lag so that I have a great routine down pat.

If I'm going to Europe for a weekend or a little more I'd prefer to put my time to good use rather than watching the clouds go by.

In first or business class, I say the red eye is the way to go since although a short night with the meal service being a trap, you can still get 3-4 hours of sleep. In economy, 3-4 hours of restless napping makes for a miserable day upon arrival.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3):
Which leads to another question to everyone: is there anyone else who can't get *any* sleep on planes here?

Yeah, no matter what the seat type I can't sleep on a plane. I would try, but very occasional fitful napping when completely exhausted was as close as I could ever get to sleep. This is one of the biggest reasons I hated flying international and went back to domestic: I'm more senior, I like the aircraft more, I sleep well, have lost weight, and feel so much better. I will hopefully never have to do international flying again in my career. I just loathed it. The guys who seem to like it most seem to be the same ones who can go back on their break and get a couple of hours of sleep without difficulty. I'm sure that's a generalization, but it's a definite trend I observed.
 
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting pesit4a (Thread starter):

Reason being is I hate hate hate the jet lag I suffer and the general feeling of horribleness one gets on the overnight sectors from the US to Europe.

Take a midnight flight as I think thats works the best as you get in at noon and are more tired for the flight. Any flight I have been on with the exception of one that has arrived in the morning has given me little or no jet lag and 3 times this has been to the South Pacific from North America (all flights over 10 hrs). Next time I come from Australia/NZ, the surrounding area etc. I'm stopping on the west coast for the night.

All you have to do is try to get going with the cycle of the day as soon as you can, the later the flight arrives the better.

For business travelers I can see the day flight the best thing if you have a meeting the next day. For a tourist take the night flight.

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 6):
it's a great way to beat jetlag...!!!

I couldn't respectfully disagree more  .

See above for my reasons why.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:21 pm

The jetlag suffered is roughly the same on the daytime flights, but in many ways the daytime flights tend to be a bit more civilized and quiet than the evening runs. I did BA's JFK-LHR daytime 10 of 18 times - along with AA 2 more - going to TLV/CPT to visit family for that reason.

However, the food is even worse on these flights.
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:23 pm

The daytime flight is better for beating jetlag but staying awake continuously during the flight is a must, or you won't be able to get into sleep when you arrive in London.
 
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RE: Daylight JFK-LHR

Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:26 pm

I love the Daytripper. Yes it's a short day cos you take off at (say) 9am and seven hours later it's 9pm, but to make the flight, even if you're only travelling to the airport from Manhattan, still need to get up at 6am (latest) - or earlier if you're coming in from outlying suburbs / towns (CT, NJ et al). So you're tired, and as long as you stay awake on the plane, you'll be able to easily go to sleep in London by midnight and sleep through the night. Sure if you're unlucky you might lie awake til 5am - but nothing wrong with a glass of red wine / smoke some weed / sleeping pill (but preferably the first or second option rather than the third).

The Red Eye from the east coast is so awful, and it is possible to get such little sleep en route (three hours tops), that anyone who says the Daytripper is a "waste of a day" has never never got off the Red Eye and had to stay awake ALL DAY until a normal bedtime. Bleugh.

If I'm on the Red Eye (which is obvs the case 99% of the time since there are so few* Daytrippers), I either take the latest one I can, eg dep 23h00 arr 11h00 and get home at c. 13h00 and thus only need to stay awake for a few more hours til an early bedtime comes around about 21h00, or, lately I have found useful, go against frequent traveller best practise and take the earliest departure I can find, eg 18h00 and arr LHR 06h00 which means I can be home by 08h00 and go straight to bed and sleep for four hours til midday which is a complete sleep cycle, and thus make it through the rest of the day. Travellers new to the transatlantic game who blithely book Red Eyes that arrive early-ish, the 07h00, 08h00 arrivals, and then expect to have a productive day, must feel like they've been hit by a steamroller by about 16h00 in the afternoon. Awful business.

ONE MORE THING. I know some people say a Day Tripper is not viable cos there aren't many available connections (although my UA mileage whore buddy Big Gay Adam in Boston takes an 05h50 flight to IAD to get the Day Tripper to London, so it's possible!), but seriously, you've got New York, Chicago, Toronto at one end and London at the other - surely the only feed you need is from the New York subway / TTC / London Underground? We're not talking about Memphis to Amsterdam or Charlotte to Frankfurt!

* may be covered above - but what do we have? BA from JFK, AA from BOS, JFK and ORD, UA from EWR and IAD, and AC from YYZ? Is that all of it? Nothing to mainland Europe at all (would be difficult with the extra time zone, would mean a very early departure from North America and / or a very late arrival in Europe)?
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