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Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:39 pm

JFK-SYD
LHR-SYD
JFK-AKL
LHR-PER
These flights are non-stop.

[Edited 2012-08-22 12:44:28]
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Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:54 pm

Will it happen? In the very long term future, perhaps. Definitely not in the foreseeable future. Routes this long just aren't going to be profitable.
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Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):
JFK-SYD
Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):
JFK-AKL

Well, given that there are no aircraft that can do these routes nonstop, (77L can, but ETOPS restrictions won't allow it), I'm gonna say not too soon.
 
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Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:11 pm

G'day

How about a nonstop Milan Italy to Hobart Australia. I need that for early September. Suggestions will be appreciated.

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Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 3):
What about the A345? Isn't SQ using it nonstop on SIN-JFK? I'm not exactly sure, but on the great circle I can imagine that JFK-SYD isn't that much further

EWR-SIN is roughly 8,300 nm and JFK-SYD is 8,648 nm.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):
JFK-AKL

JFK-AKL is 7,671 nm so it CAN be done. Range for the 777-200LR without the restrictions is 9,950 nm.
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
ETOPS restrictions won't allow it

At worst the restrictions require a slightly longer route; suspect an extra 100 nm would cover it.
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:34 pm

I would be very excited if United did SYD-IAH (7470 nm).
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):
JFK-AKL
LHR-PER

No.

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):

JFK-SYD
LHR-SYD

If range permits, maybe.
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:21 pm

What about the amount of Cabin Crew you will have to carry on such routes? Would that present a problem? Would a bigger crew rest compartment need to be designed?
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:10 am

LHR-SYD and JKF-SYD are common, just need an aircraft to make them economical, that's the goal of the a350-900r isn't it? But I think a non-traditional long-haul route would be nice to see.

NRT-LIM
NRT-SCL

Perhaps? They'd be close in length to SIN-EWR
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:35 am

Quoting icanfly (Reply 6):

So would I!

Realistically thinking, the next regularly scheduled ULH flight will probably be DFW-SYD (this flight currently runs via BNE). But I'm hoping that we see some interesting new flights made possible by the 787 before then...
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting Kermode (Reply 9):
But I think a non-traditional long-haul route would be nice to see.

NRT-LIM
NRT-SCL

That would indeed be nice. Not very profitable, though. If SQ is (apparently) losing money on EWR-SIN, imagine what it would take to make NRT-LIM profitable... I do hope to see it someday....
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting falkerker (Reply 11):

One can dream right? Maybe in a decade or so when 18-19 hour flights are the norm  

One day an aircraft will be built that will make the 787 look like the 67's it's trying to replace. And then maybe it could be possible.

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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:50 am

Quoting Kermode (Reply 12):
One day an aircraft will be built that will make the 787 look like the 67's it's trying to replace. And then maybe it could be possible.

So. How many morgues would such a plane need to have on board?
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:52 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):
So. How many morgues would such a plane need to have on board?

Too true. The SQ A340-500s have one - honest to god - a refridgerated space in the galley specifically for storing a body. Anything longer than EWR-SIN and it might get pretty crowded in there!
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting Kermode (Reply 12):
18-19 hour flights

Morgue-logistics aside, I don't see how 19-hour-in-a-tin-can will ever be "the norm". I daydream about nonstops to/from anywhere you can think of, but besides me and a few others (AKA, a.netters), most people would rather have a one-stop instead of a 18+ hour flight.

Back to morgue logistics, that's the easy part, imagine the medical training and equipment (at least a Automatic external defibrillator) would be needed in every flight and AFAIK noone carries them.
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 15):

Only on anet can you read about the logistics of ULH flying and the number of morgue's needed onboard. First time over ever heard of them! Did a quick google search (as google searches a.net better than the a.net search) and found a thread on them. Someone calculated that on average based on 400 777's flyin at any given time, that someone dies every week! Maybe this isn't such a crazy concept anyways!

Morgue On The A-380? Really? (by Nsfguy Jan 24 2005 in Civil Aviation)
Reply 27 has the theory behind one death every week on triple sevens.

On a side note, as If this comment isn't all a side-note, can anyone provide a direct link to a picture of one of the sq a345 morgues? There don't seem to be any in the database.

Thanks a lot!
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting Kermode (Reply 16):
On a side note, as If this comment isn't all a side-note, can anyone provide a direct link to a picture of one of the sq a345 morgues? There don't seem to be any in the database.

While I cannot provide a link to that pic. I´m sure there was one in the database here. Maybe it was taken down due to sensibilities. But I did see it somewhere.
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:06 am

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 4):

Yes,the ranges permit it, but don't forgot the Earth's rotation. The same reason the QF's DFW-SYD flight stops in BNE.
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 15):
imagine the medical training and equipment (at least a Automatic external defibrillator) would be needed in every flight and AFAIK noone carries them.

Many airlines have onboard defibrillators on all their aircraft. If not mistaken it's been an FAA requirement for U.S.airlines since about 2004. Some have had then longer than that, for example AA. I've seen them on KLM aircraft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuaJSKZ7EeM

Related 2001 news item.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/15/us...rs-defibrillators-on-airlines.html
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:50 pm

As aircraft become more and more capable, another phenomenon occurs ...

That is there becomes a point where it is more economical, with regard to fuel, to land enroute, than fly the route non-stop. Carrying 20 hours of fuel is very very expensive, more expensive than carrying 10 hours of fuel twice, (for example).

There was a very interesting message thread about just that on here a few months ago. The (accurate) theory is that if you consider how much it costs to carry the final 10 hours of fuel on the first 10 hours, then stopping in the middle becomes cheaper.

So looking at the routes above, yes there is demand .... but would the average passenger pay a premium for a non-stop over a one-stop flight? Historically, that passenger would not .... and ticket price will often dictate.
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:38 pm

Since we're talking about long haul routes for the future, why not add the ridiculous TER-SYD ?
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:14 pm

ANC-CUN and ANC-MIA would be awesome but I know nobody would invest in such a route.
 
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:18 pm

PER-JFK would be close to the longest route possible. Anyone know of other antipodal routes?
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:38 pm

I found some more:

1. Asuncion, Paraguay, to Taipei, Taiwan: 12390 miles

2. Seville, Spain, to Auckland, New Zealand: 12383 miles

3. Bermuda to Perth, Australia: 12376 miles

4. Santiago, Chile, to Xian, China: 12374 miles

5. Timbuktu, Mali, to Nadi, Fiji: 12357 miles

6. León, Spain, to Wellington, New Zealand: 12336 miles

7. Cordoba, Argentina, to Wuhan, China: 12335 miles

8. Bahia Blanca, Argentian, to Beijing, China: 12326 miles

9. Bogota, Colombia, to Jakarta, Indonesia: 12311 miles

10. Lima, Peru, to Bangkok, Thailand: 12231 miles

11. La Coruña, Spain to Christchurch, New Zealand: 12219 miles

12. Buenos Aires, Argentina, to Shanghai, China: 12216 miles

Still more:


Córdoba, Spain, (37:53N 4:46W) to Hamilton, New Zealand (37:48S 175:16E) = 12420 miles

Jaén, Spain, (37:46N 3:47W) to Rotorua, New Zealand (38:09S 176:14E) = 12403 miles

Málaga, Spain, (36:43N 4:25W) to Coromandel, New Zealand (36:46S 175:30E) = 12418 miles

Pendopo, Indonesia to Cali, Colombia = 12433 miles
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RE: Possible New Ultra-Long Range Route?

Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:19 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 14):
The SQ A340-500s have one - honest to god - a refridgerated space in the galley specifically for storing a body.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 17):
While I cannot provide a link to that pic. I´m sure there was one in the database here. Maybe it was taken down due to sensibilities. But I did see it somewhere.

I've seen the pic.......The compartment was way too small for a body. I'm calling BS on this one.
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