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737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:42 pm

Range of the 737 MAX 7 is 3,800 NM.
Range of the 737 MAX 8 is 3,620 NM.
Range of the 737 MAX 9 is 3,595 NM

What routes might be possible with this aircraft if the plane has ETOPS?

I'd say JFK-ORK.

[Edited 2012-09-02 12:17:41]
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:52 pm

According to a boeing presentation made at the farnborough airshow this year, it was stated that the 737 MAX will cover most routes that the 757s flies today except the transatlantic routes. However I believe the MAX could be possible used on routes from the east cost of the US to the UK and Ireland without too much penalties.
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
According to a boeing presentation made at the farnborough airshow this year, it was stated that the 737 MAX will cover most routes that the 757s flies today except the transatlantic routes. However I believe the MAX could be possible used on routes from the east cost of the US to the UK and Ireland without too much penalties.

Boeing should use these on TATL routes that can connect small UK/Ireland airports to the east coast of the USA or long domestic routes like EWR/JFK-ANC if the markets are there.
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
it was stated that the 737 MAX will cover most routes that the 757s flies today except the transatlantic routes. However I believe the MAX could be possible used on routes from the east cost of the US to the UK and Ireland without too much penalties.

Gotta get that ol' ETOPS stuff taken care of first  

I haven't really found anything, which engines are they gonna offer for the MAX? IIRC ETOPS all depends on the engines, right?
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Gotta get that ol' ETOPS stuff taken care of first

Let's say the plane has ETOPS certification.
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):

ETOPS can be covered during the flight test program. Also to answer your other question, yes ETOPS depend on the engine choice, but since the MAX will be offered with 1 engine only i.e. the CFM LEAP-X engine, ETOPS testing would only be required for that engine only.
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:42 pm

How about the rst of the America's, the current 737 is already capable of transcon in the USA, the MAX in no variant will be a 757 TATL replacement so the other regions which may benefit from the increased range must be closer to home, like the Caribbean, South and Central America.
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
How about the rst of the America's, the current 737 is already capable of transcon in the USA, the MAX in no variant will be a 757 TATL replacement so the other regions which may benefit from the increased range must be closer to home, like the Caribbean, South and Central America.
Efficiency may well turn out to be the primary selling point of the MAX.

2/3 of the MAX aircraft can do TATL routes that the 757 can not do like fly from a small US airport on the east coast to a small western Euro airport.

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Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:22 pm

Out here undoubtly Bom-Del sector  
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:24 pm

Scandinavia-Dubai with more payload than today, for sure.
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Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:28 pm

Look for WN to use theirs in Hawaii and Alaska, the Caribbean, central and S. America and maybe even Canada.

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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 5):
Also to answer your other question, yes ETOPS depend on the engine choice, but since the MAX will be offered with 1 engine only i.e. the CFM LEAP-X engine, ETOPS testing would only be required for that engine only.

Sounds good to me, thanks!
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Quoting flyiguy (Reply 10):
Look for WN to use theirs in Hawaii and Alaska, the Caribbean, central and S. America and maybe even Canada.

   Easy routes for WN with it.
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:05 pm

CM PTY-YVR, PTY-YYC, PTY-SEA, PTY-PDX and PTY-SFO (if UA doesn't start it 1st).

Africa and/or Europe (Cape Verde, Madeira and Canary Islands) still may not be doable from PTY and run into ETOPS issues.
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) SID (16°44'29"N 22°56'58"W) 75.9° (E) 3328 nm
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) TFS (28°02'40"N 16°34'21"W) 63.1° (NE) 3715 nm
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) FNC (32°41'52"N 16°46'28"W) 57.8° (NE) 3733 nm
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:32 pm

ETOPS requires more than just engine certification. For example the current ETOPS 180 on the 73NG is restricted by firefighting capability in the cargo hold. If that was improved then the current NG's would likely be able to get a higher etops cert. I wonder if they will fix the cargo fire supression system on the MAX to allow for a higer etops rating or if they will leave it at 180
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 13):

Where would they fly the MAX for it to need more than the current 180?
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 13):
For example the current ETOPS 180 on the 73NG is restricted by firefighting capability in the cargo hold. If that was improved then the current NG's would likely be able to get a higher etops cert. I wonder if they will fix the cargo fire supression system on the MAX to allow for a higer etops rating or if they will leave it at 180

It should be pointed out that the 737 already HAS a cargo hold fire suppression system, even in non-ETOPS configured aircraft, in accordance with regulations, blah blah. It simply doesn't exceed the 180 requirements.
That said, I'm with 817dreamliiner... where on earth would you send a 737 that needed beyond ETOPS180!?!?!
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:46 am

It's obvious that WN will use the 737 MAX on its really long routes such as US transcon flights. A good example would be LAX-BWI, which I believe is now being flown by 737-700's fitted with winglets.
 
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
Efficiency may well turn out to be the primary selling point of the MAX.

I agree 100%. It won't be used on EWR/BOS/PHL-TATL.
 
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:37 am

I assume your talking asking about original routes because in 20 years they will be flying every city pair the current fleets are flying as they will be the only new builds. the first routes will probably be the longest routes where the fuel savings will be taken advantage of the most.
 
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 6):
How about the rst of the America's,

AM will not be crossing any oceans with its 737MAX's but I would not be surprised to see AM giving BOS and SEA another go. AM might also consider opening MEX-YVR, MEX.GYE, and maybe MEX-VVI.
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:38 am

Yet another "speculation" thread? It will fly where it will fly.
 
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:00 am

Quoting YankeesFan (Thread starter):
I'd say JFK-ORK.
Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 7):
2/3 of the MAX aircraft can do TATL routes that the 757 can not do like fly from a small US airport on the east coast to a small western Euro airport.

These routes won't work for a simple reason. The MAX requires really long runways, probably well over over 11,000 ft. at MTOW. Cork's longest runway is 7,000 ft.. And most small western European airports don't have particularly long runways. The A320NEO might be able to do these routes. It requires a shorter runway.

This is being discussed here.

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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:35 am

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 21):
These routes won't work for a simple reason. The MAX requires really long runways, probably well over over 11,000 ft. at MTOW. Cork's longest runway is 7,000 ft.. And most small western European airports don't have particularly long runways. The A320NEO might be able to do these routes. It requires a shorter runway.

This is being discussed here.

Really? Wow.......
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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:48 am

Quoting YankeesFan (Reply 2):
Boeing should use these on TATL routes that can connect small UK/Ireland airports to the east coast of the USA or long domestic routes like EWR/JFK-ANC if the markets are there.

I'm fairly confident the Boeing isn't an airline.

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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:22 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 23):
I'm fairly confident the Boeing isn't an airline.

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Thanks for making me feel like a total failure AGAIN.    Well anyway the 737 MAX 7 could be used for thin TATL routes from the east coast to UK/Ireland.

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RE: 737 MAX Possible Routes.

Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:41 pm

With 649 737 Max orders placed so far, in 10 years time they will be everywhere.

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