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Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Worst

Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:45 pm

Being a business traveler that flies over 100k per year on different * carriers.

I always thought UA was worst carrier in star. Now I have to give that to LH.

I just arrived in YVR on LH492. The angle lie flat seat is one of the most uncomfortable seat in J.

The arrival meal is some sort of burned Indian veggie rice plate that is about size of lean cuisine.

Far worse than any UA J meal i ever had.

But the biggest beef is LH cheapness in clearing custom in YVR. Unlike CX which paid to use dedicated US transfer lane, LH customers have to stand in long line to clear Canada customs and manual re-check in (inc getting your checked in luggage, drag all the way to other check in area and re-check in)

I am standing in the ultra long customs line (40 min and still about half way). I am about to miss my connection to SFO.

My company paid $9100 for this trip. My flight couple weeks ago from NUE to FRA, I had to scramble to take train due to strike.

All I am asking is be able to get to my next flight without delay. Is that too much to ask? For a premium customer how much would it cost LH to use dedicated lane like CX.

I will never fly LH again. I never imagined that any airline would be as bad as UA. But I was wrong. LH you win by being the cheapest airline in star.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:59 pm

You remind me of two US-American business partners that started loudly complaining inside the bus at FRA about how antiquated Lufthansa was for having them deboard a widebody aircraft at a remote stand and how, if that they had taken Delta, that would have never happen.

I was on the other hand happy, since we were 30 minutes early and we didn't have to wait for a gate like in other airports in some countries.

[Edited 2012-09-16 15:00:08]
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:03 pm

This is quite the silly rant. Especially the part about the YVR Airport, which LH has no control over. Hope you feel better.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:04 pm

Are you done yet?
We get it, you had a bad experience/day. Regarding the strike: that could have happened with any carrier.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:11 pm

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 3):
Regarding the strike: that could have happened with any carrier.

Actually, it's a good reason to fly US carriers. Far, far fewer strikes.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:16 pm

Since AC codeshares with their Star Alliance partner LH (and in fact has a revenue-sharing agreement), I'm surprised LH can't use the same transfer procedure at YVR as AC. AC passengers (and many others) connecting from an international flight to a transborder flight to the U.S. bypass Canadian customs/immigration and do not have to claim their baggage. They proceed directly to U.S. preclearance. I suggest you contact LH and ask them why they don't use the same procedure.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/airport/yvr_intl_us.html

Were you specifically told that you had to clear Canada customs/immigration? Had you been booked on the AC codeshare flight number on the same flight I wonder whether the same situation would have applied. Seems very inconsistent for carriers like AC and LH that basically operate as one carrier between Canada and Germany due to their long-standing revenue-sharing agreement.

[Edited 2012-09-16 15:20:07]
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:35 pm

If he paid $9100 why did he just not fly nonstop? Does not seem like a smart company.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:41 pm

you just can't satisfy everyone...There's always someone who'll find some little flaws at everything !
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:41 pm

That is exactly my point. LH does not want to pay for the AC procedure of bypassing Canadian customs.

That is what my beef is with LH.

I was specifically told by Canadian agent that LH does not want to pay for the special access. Hence all passenger have to go thru Canadian immigration. Which took me two hours.

To say LH have no control over it is bs. LH is being cheap. No other way to describe it.

I have been flying for entire day. If my company is going to be raped over high fare, at least LH can do their job and get me home on time.

My j class fare to sin from sfo in SQ never exceed $6k. My 11 hour flight to FRA cost over $9k.

The level of service and comfort is night and day different.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:44 pm

That is because of all beloved UFO strike, everything is still backed up.

I flew back a week early. Only thing available is thru Vancouver.

Perhaps Germans should be smarter and pay their employees so they don't go on strike.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting chiawei (Thread starter):
Quoting chiawei (Reply 8):

When did this site become FlyerTalk? Take your complaints there!
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:47 pm

If you really like SQ, why didn't you ask your company to book you on FRA-JFK to begin with ? Then you can hop on the premium 757 JFK-SFO/LAX on UA ?
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:48 pm

First world problems. BTW I'm sure we could find thousands who disagree with you, so without statistical backup, what's the point of ranting?
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:49 pm

Because I was suppose to fly direct??
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
This is quite the silly rant. Especially the part about the YVR Airport, which LH has no control over. Hope you feel better.
Quoting chiawei (Reply 8):
I was specifically told by Canadian agent that LH does not want to pay for the special access.

Apparently LH does have control over it? I didn't know that. Who would they pay for special access? YVR? Canadian Border Security Agency? AC? US Border Control?

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 3):
Regarding the strike: that could have happened with any carrier.

Amen.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
AC passengers (and many others) connecting from an international flight to a transborder flight to the U.S. bypass Canadian customs/immigration and do not have to claim their baggage.

Interesting - did not know that. That said, I wish they could do something about the baggage reclaim. When I reclaimed baggage on an HNL-YVR-YOW run, I had to lug it right across the terminal - last thing anyone wants to do after a 5 hr redeye. They can definitely improve things at YVR I think.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 6):
If he paid $9100 why did he just not fly nonstop? Does not seem like a smart company.

Availability?

Quoting SeaMeFly (Reply 7):
There's always someone who'll find some little flaws at everything !

Have you flown LH in J? LH's F class soft product service is great (the hard product is a little out of date compared to others), but LH J and Y are ...well, they don't compare well with anyone apart from maybe UA. To be honest, in terms of safety and efficiency, LH is top notch. For everything else.... they're pretty poor.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:09 pm

Unlike everyone else, I will side with you in that LH is behind their peers in business class as far as seats are concerned. UA has fully flat seats on 90% of their international routes compared to only having a couple planes like LH. That's a big difference that makes the UA product better as its business class seat is far more comfortable than LH seat (unless you are a last minute upgrade and stuck in a middle seat).

However they aren't the worst in Star. There are worse, but the smaller airlines with weak business class products are often over looked.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:14 pm

As for the food, LH carries a lot of Indians from North America to India. They have one of best schedules and price according to some Indian friends of mine. So maybe that's why your meal had an Indian influence to it.

I've flown Lufthansa a few times and never had a problem with them. I found their service to be a little on the cold side, but I guess that's just German efficiency. Otherwise everything else was fine.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting chiawei (Reply 8):
was specifically told by Canadian agent that LH does not want to pay for the special access. Hence all passenger have to go thru Canadian immigration. Which took me two hours.

Whomever told you that was incorrect (they probably said it just to get rid of you). The ability to bypass Canadian C & I is considered a common-use feature of the airport which is covered by the carrier charges and airport improvement fees and YVR cannot discriminate between carriers since they all pay for it. It sounds like, for whatever reason, your bags were not checked to their final destination thus you had to retrieve them in YVR.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting chiawei (Thread starter):
I will never fly LH again. I never imagined that any airline would be as bad as UA. But I was wrong. LH you win by being the cheapest airline in star.

interesting you are bashing that way LH - just based on a personal bad expirience.

Well I traveled a lot of * carriers, and yes I was also very pissed of with LH in certain cases, but all in all LH is a top noch carrier.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):
You remind me of two US-American business partners that started loudly complaining inside the bus at FRA about how antiquated Lufthansa was for having them deboard a widebody aircraft at a remote stand and how, if that they had taken Delta, that would have never happen.

I was on the other hand happy, since we were 30 minutes early and we didn't have to wait for a gate like in other airports in some countries.

why they than didn't took DELTA?

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 3):
Are you done yet?
We get it, you had a bad experience/day. Regarding the strike: that could have happened with any carrier.

are you sure? never ever heard that carriers like AF or AZ went on strike - irony off

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Actually, it's a good reason to fly US carriers. Far, far fewer strikes.

could not agree more! I also like much more to be served by an 85 years old flight attended my food, only point would be if their is an emergency ... I think in that case it would be my turn to help the 85 years old to get out of the aircraft instead he/she helps me.

Quoting chiawei (Reply 8):
My j class fare to sin from sfo in SQ never exceed $6k. My 11 hour flight to FRA cost over $9k.

dont compare absolutelty different routes, have many times seen first class fares from Europe to SYD for just 4500 EURO and... all depends on demand and supply.

Quoting chiawei (Reply 9):
Perhaps Germans should be smarter and pay their employees so they don't go on strike.

just use the next time AF or AZ as before mentioned... I can imagine your are pissed of... but unfortuantely these kind of staff can happen with all carriers.

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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:00 am

Ah ! The business travelers who don't pay for their tickets but think they are entitled to complain about everything...

[Edited 2012-09-16 22:02:32]
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:46 am

Quoting airtrainer (Reply 19):

You are so right!!! I've never seen so many loud and ungrateful American Passengers complain and feeling self-entitled.

I was visiting the Delta Sky Club in Narita and why is it always Americans are so loud!!! These two business travelers flying together were in the Sky Club and were so loud and so disturbing! There were only 5 total Sky Club patrons. I am American, however, my parents raised me to have decorum and respect for others. I always extend all courtesies whilst in public. It makes me sick sometimes to have the association and to be grouped in the stereotypical American-isms. I am in my 30's and the behavior of 40+ year olds is appalling to me! I pay my $450 every year for a little peace and quiet. If I had the money for private jet flights, I would abandon flying commercially forever.

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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:09 pm

LH the cheapest airline in Star Alliance? That's probably one of the cheapest comments I have ever read here.


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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 17):
Quoting chiawei (Reply 8):
was specifically told by Canadian agent that LH does not want to pay for the special access. Hence all passenger have to go thru Canadian immigration. Which took me two hours.

Whomever told you that was incorrect (they probably said it just to get rid of you). The ability to bypass Canadian C & I is considered a common-use feature of the airport which is covered by the carrier charges and airport improvement fees and YVR cannot discriminate between carriers since they all pay for it. It sounds like, for whatever reason, your bags were not checked to their final destination thus you had to retrieve them in YVR.

chiawei, I am afraid you were waiting in line for no reason.

It has nothing to do with LH at all, you could have bypassed Canadian Customs at YVR and gone straight to US Customs Pre-Clearance. As a very well traveled business traveler, I am surprised you did not know this, or simply gone to the YVR Airport website for reference, they explain it there.

For future travels, the same is true at YYZ and YUL.

If, as usflyer accurately states above, your baggage was not checked to SFO, one has to ask why? While yes, the airline should check your final destination, I think we as a traveler have to take some control and responsibility and see where baggage is checked, or if not well versed, ask the agent.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 14):
To be honest, in terms of safety and efficiency, LH is top notch. For everything else.... they're pretty poor.

I guess we all have different reasons for choosing an airline. I often choose LH over a lot of airlines simply because they ARE safe and they ARE efficient .... usually leaving on time, and arriving early with German efficiency.

If we assume all airlines are as safe as each other (they aren't, but lets just assume they are), then I would always choose the airlines that arrive on time, over the ones that arrive late but have a great on board product.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 14):
Interesting - did not know that. That said, I wish they could do something about the baggage reclaim. When I reclaimed baggage on an HNL-YVR-YOW run, I had to lug it right across the terminal - last thing anyone wants to do after a 5 hr redeye. They can definitely improve things at YVR I think.

If it was checked through its hardly across the terminal you pick your bags up at the carousel after immigration and put it on the re-check belt which it just as far as if you were ending at YVR. If it wasn't checked through then you have to re-check in which happens to suck I agree.

Also no complaining about a 5hr red-eye I have had to go through YVR coming from AKL and that is a much longer flight  
Quoting longhauler (Reply 22):
If, as usflyer accurately states above, your baggage was not checked to SFO, one has to ask why? While yes, the airline should check your final destination, I think we as a traveler have to take some control and responsibility and see where baggage is checked, or if not well versed, ask the agent.

To be fair there has been several times where I do not see the tag actually put on the bag because of the position of the desk relative to the bag. Now you can see it from the claim tag you get but by the time you look at that you bags are likely gone and there is nothing that can done about it.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting chiawei (Reply 8):
My j class fare to sin from sfo in SQ never exceed $6k. My 11 hour flight to FRA cost over $9k.

Planes are not taxis and don't have meters on them. Fares are driven my market supply and demand, if you are a businessman/woman you should know and understand that.

Quoting chiawei (Reply 9):
Perhaps Germans should be smarter and pay their employees so they don't go on strike.

Trying going to your boss tomorrow and ask him or her for a 10% pay rise and see if they are smart enough to keep you on or not, and let us all know how you get on.



My suggestion would be to exercise your right to the freedom of choice and stand by your morals and never fly Lufthansa ever again. Then wait for Lufthansa to contact you begging you to return to them........what's up.. the phone not working?
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 15):
Unlike everyone else, I will side with you in that LH is behind their peers in business class as far as seats are concerned. UA has fully flat seats on 90% of their international routes compared to only having a couple planes like LH.

No doubt the new United seat is better than the old Lufthansa seat, and far easier to get than the new Lufthansa seat. Service on the other hand... Wondering whether the crew will disappear after the meal is part of the routine on United, it's almost a lottery.
So to get around that, whenever possible, I use alliances and code-shares to my benefit. United or Air Canada on TATL East-bound so I can sleep well, Lufthansa West-bound for the better service.

(Air Canada is fine either way, but connecting times West-bound for my city-pairs suck!)

Quoting n729pa (Reply 25):
Then wait for Lufthansa to contact you begging you to return to them........what's up.. the phone not working?

Does he have a choice even? If I told my boss I'd never ever fly Lufthansa again, he'd reply we'll have a little chat about travel policies, company budget and my personal needs at my next employee evaluation...
  

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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:01 am

Aww, diddums...suck it up and wait in line. You don't get to skip through border controls just because your company was silly enough to pay that fare.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 20):
It makes me sick sometimes to have the association and to be grouped in the stereotypical American-isms.

You just did it, yourself, by asking why Americans are so loud.  
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:50 am

Bingo!!!

Quoting airtrainer (Reply 19):
Ah ! The business travelers who don't pay for their tickets but think they are entitled to complain about everything...
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:22 pm

While I'm thinking along the same line as speedbird217 and airtrainer:

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 3):
Are you done yet?
We get it, you had a bad experience/day.
Quoting airtrainer (Reply 19):
Ah ! The business travelers who don't pay for their tickets but think they are entitled to complain about everything...

I do believe that you're making a very good point with this:

Quoting chiawei (Reply 9):
Perhaps Germans should be smarter and pay their employees so they don't go on strike.

The management made a horrendous mistake by making the F/As go on strike. You cannot claim to be a top-tier full-service airline (and charge the fares of one) and then tell the very employees who spend the most time with your customers to get lost. The impression is that the new CEO wants to give LH the full SR/LX treatment - but SR was bankrupt, LH is not.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:42 pm

Are you serious? One bad experience doesn't mean an airline is the worst airline ever! Every one who is a FA is a human and they will make a mistake at times. Also LH doesn't have much control at YVR.
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Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:10 am

Quoting chiawei (Thread starter):
Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Worst  

Frankly, I would have awarded that title to US. By a long shot, and that would only be over UA. I've always found LH to be excellent.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting airtrainer (Reply 19):
The business travelers who don't pay for their tickets but think they are entitled to complain about everything...

While I certainly agree that sometimes complaints may be trivial, I do believe who actually pays for the ticket is immaterial. If an airline advertises a quality service and delivers something less, the passenger is entitled to complain for the simple reason that they didn't receive that which was advertised. If I were the owner of a business I would wish to ensure that whoever is travelling on my behalf received the treatment and service to which they were entitled under the fare class booked. Whether that is what happened in this instance is another matter.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:08 am

Quoting airtrainer (Reply 19):
The business travelers who don't pay for their tickets but think they are entitled to complain about everything...

Just because business travelers do not pay for their tickets doesn't mean they don't have an input, sometimes a decisive one, in the choice of carrier.

My employer has rules governing the choice of carrier. Sometimes, even after applying all of them, there is more than one airline left in contention. Same thing for hotels. Who do you think gets to choose? Who do you think is going to let past experiences, good and bad, influence that choice?

That certainly doesn't mean I am entitled to trivial complaints about everything, but if you believe that only he who pays can complain, you do not understand the service industry.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:22 am

I really do not know why so many of you here have taken to admonishing this gentleman.
He is entitled to his own opinion and unless any of you were on his flight, you cannot tell how bad it was for him.

1. He says that the seat was very uncomfortable- I am sorry, but if you are booking a business class seat you do expect it to be comfortable for the duration of the flight. If it isn't- he definitely has a point to make

2. Serving burned food to passengers is definitely not acceptable- whether it be in Economy, Business of First.
I do personally like Indian food but there should be a choice because not everybody does

3. The arrival procedure in Vancouver sounds horrendous- claiming your bags, through security only to check in again?
Would any of you be happy with that ? I wouldn't. It does not sound streamlined and sorry, if I had to wait in a queue for over an hour I would be slightly miffed

4. Nearly $10k on an airline ticket people- when you or your company pay that much for one person to travel you expect a lot better

Give the guy a break!
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting raffik (Reply 35):
Give the guy a break!

He's blaming every single hiccup in his journey on LH (re: the slowness of the immigration queue), failed to give them the chance to correct a mistake (re: the "burnt" food which he didn't send back) and does not acknowledge that the issue of the business class seats has been addressed. On top of that, his travel expense was borne by his company and he concludes with a true evergreen: "I will never fly LH again."   

Conclusion: he does not give the airline a break, we will not give him a break.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:07 am

I agree aloges- he can't blame them for everything but the Seat and Catering are probably something that is down the airline.
Perhaps he has just had a very long journey and has arrived in a bit of a grumpy mood! 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:15 pm

I like Lufthansa a lot; it's one of my 2 or 3 preferred airlines in the world based on a long history of good service. So when things go amiss on one flight you get really upset because it's not living up to its normal standards or your expectations. On the other hand, you expect a lower standard of service on US Airways, et al and you reluctantly accept it for either fare savings or non-stop service.

But, for what it's worth, I have seen a decline in LH's product over the last couple of years. It reminds me of what I saw at BA in the early 2000's when BA's service went south.
 
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 35):
3. The arrival procedure in Vancouver sounds horrendous- claiming your bags, through security only to check in again?
Would any of you be happy with that ? I wouldn't. It does not sound streamlined and sorry, if I had to wait in a queue for over an hour I would be slightly miffed

And miffed he was. His rant was written as he was standing in that line. And .... it had absolutely nothing to do with LH. I think he was just looking for a target for his tirade.

The ironic thing was, that he was standing in that line because of his own error.

At YVR (and YYZ and YUL), all transit passengers going from an international flight to a US flight can by-pass Canada Customs, and go directly to US Customs for pre-clearance.
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RE: Of All * Carriers- LH Takes The Cake For Wors

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:34 pm

Just out of interest, does this page:
http://www.yvr.ca/en/navigating-yvr/...guides/connecting-through-yvr.aspx
work for anyone?

edit: Oddly enough, it seems to fail only if you try to find the guide for a connection from a LH flight.  scratchchin 

[Edited 2012-10-09 09:39:21]
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