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In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:55 pm

CRJs of various stripes generally come in for heavy criticism on this forum. I wanted to offer a slightly different perspective after a weekend trip that included 2 CRJ segments.

I was flying MCO-MSN on DL. The outbound leg was through CVG and the return was through ATL. On the outbound leg I was on a 738 and was booked in Economy Comfort (partly because I had a tight connection in CVG and wanted to get off the plane first). The seat was fine but as boarding came to an end a, shall we say, portly fellow who was also as it would turn out, half in the bag, took the middle seat. In so doing he also took about 25% of my space and that of the woman on the window. Between that and his odd behavior (e.g. - he wanted to get up and use the bathroom about 30 seconds before touchdown and I had to argue with him to get him to sit down), it was a long 2 hours.

The connecting flight from CVG-MSN was a dreaded CRJ-200. Like the first segment, it was full. However, boarding was far less chaotic. That was partly due to the small capacity but also due to the fact that no one could bring a rollaboard with them, so there was no struggle for overhead space. I had ample personal space, nobody in the middle and, frankly a pleasant flight.

The return leg started with a CR9 from MSN-ATL. Again, the boarding process was relaxed because everyone knew that their suitcases didn't have to come with them. It was my first time on one of the larger CRJs and honestly I was impressed. A much taller, lighter cabin compared to the original model with large higher windows. I was not in EC this time (in row 10) but I had plenty of personal space and, again, no middle seat. It was also quite quiet with the engines in the rear. A very pleasant ride with good service from the Pinnacle crew (who would have thought?).

My connection was to a 753 for the ATL-MCO leg. This aircraft is now officially my least favorite to fly on. Because of its high capacity, the boarding area is inevitably overflowing and because of its single aisle, the boarding (and deplaning) process takes forever. And, because we're all fighting for overhead space, there's a lot of tension and jockeying in the boarding process as well.

All this to say, there are a lot of advantages to flying on a CRJ. Surprisingly, I found one of them to be the fact that I couldn't bring my carryon with me into the cabin. Because no one else could either, everybody was a lot more relaxed.

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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting Logos (Thread starter):
All this to say, there are a lot of advantages to flying on a CRJ.

I agree entirely! For a shorter segment, I'll take any variety of CRJ (CR7/CR9 preferrably, but a CR2 will do) over mainline as it's just quicker to board and deplane and, as you mentioned, much less chaotic because there is no fight for overhead space. I used to love when I'd fly back to BIL from the east coast and hop on that CRJ from SLC-BIL. Just made the last leg so easy.

I'm also one of those weirdos, as most a.netters would put it   , who prefers the CRJ-200 over the ERJ-135/140/145 (The E170/175/190 is a different story of course). I always feel like I have more shoulder room and if I'm in a window seat, my foot space isn't as cut off by the curvature of the airplane. I don't find the low windows to be a problem in flight, but they're very obnoxious on the ground.

Quoting Logos (Thread starter):
My connection was to a 753 for the ATL-MCO leg. This aircraft is now officially my least favorite to fly on. Because of its high capacity, the boarding area is inevitably overflowing and because of its single aisle, the boarding (and deplaning) process takes forever.

Ugh, tell me about it! As much as I LOVE the 753 when plane spotting, I remember one trip coming home from Germany where I flew NUE - AMS - MEM - MSP, with the MEM - MSP leg on a 753. I was in the little cabin at the back, which made for a fantastic flight. But with the exhaustion of traveling for so long, the 41 minutes to deplane (no joke!) just about killed me.
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:12 pm

I agree that the CR7 and CR9 are not bad. The issue with the carry-on bags is a bit of a crapshoot. The efficient stations get them returned very rapidly and that's nice. But I've also had it where we wait 15 minutes to have bags returned and that is too long. Not the airplane's fault... It's the airline's fault.

I fly the CRJ-200 for a living and it's OK. But I'd rather fly the CRJ-700 or CRJ-900. Both appear to be much nicer airplanes to fly (more power, leading edge devices, etc.) and I know they're better for passengers as I've sat in the back numerous times.
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:40 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 1):
prefers the CRJ-200 over the ERJ-135/140/145

Me too, I've always found the CRJ200 to be more spacious than the ERJ - but it's personal opinion

I'm flying GSO-DCA-ORF tomorrow, both legs on CR2s and I'm looking forward to it - it's been a while since I was on a 200 as opposed to a 700/900. However 32A at DCA sounds a bit intimidating from what I've read on here   
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting Logos (Thread starter):
My connection was to a 753 for the ATL-MCO leg.

The limited seating and narrow corridors at ATL make boarding 753's worse. It doesn't seem to be as bad in say, DTW.

I've had mixed feelings about CRJ-200s. I rather like them when they're not too full and especially when you have the seat next to you open. Also, boarding times are great like you said. I've also always felt like they fly smoothly, but maybe that's my imagination. The thing I've never liked is if I'm in a window seat the curve of the fuselage touches the top of my head (not a problem on -700s or -900s) and I don't like how low the windows are (well documented, I know).

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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:46 pm

I thought I would chime in here because the CRJ family is one of my favorite aircraft to fly on.

Quoting Logos (Thread starter):
Surprisingly, I found one of them to be the fact that I couldn't bring my carryon with me into the cabin. Because no one else could either, everybody was a lot more relaxed.

I love this about regional jets. I just grab my laptop before I leave my bag on the Jetway, and I have it for the whole flight(no battery issues on a less than 2hr flight  ) and I pick it up when I get to the next airport. Makes things super easy, it is like all the benefits of a carry-on with the convenience of a checked bag.

Quoting saab2000 (Reply 2):
I fly the CRJ-200 for a living and it's OK. But I'd rather fly the CRJ-700 or CRJ-900. Both appear to be much nicer airplanes to fly (more power, leading edge devices, etc.)

Having trained on the 200, I agree the 7's and 9's are better but the 200 is peppy in its own way. I mean I wouldn't want to fly it out of PHX in July, but I still like it.

And I might be the only one but you kind of feel like a rock star boarding outside via the stairs...

All and all, after the MD-90 and 767, its my favorite. followed closely by the historicness of the DC-9.
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting Logos (Thread starter):
My connection was to a 753 for the ATL-MCO leg. This aircraft is now officially my least favorite to fly on. Because of its high capacity, the boarding area is inevitably overflowing and because of its single aisle, the boarding (and deplaning) process takes forever. And, because we're all fighting for overhead space, there's a lot of tension and jockeying in the boarding process as well.

Dude go fly with MT (Thomas Cook Airlines) in the UK. They have 280Y config (50 rows of all Economy)
 
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:01 pm

I spent a good deal of time flying DCA-YYZ on AC CRJ-200's in 2000-2002 as I was seeing a girl in Toronto for several years. To me, CRJ-200s were cramped and the seats were hard...but they were familiar and I knew just about every inch of the interior, what was a good seat, what was a bad seat etc.

As you point out Logos, CRJ-200s are very easy to board and deboard...it was great being able to gate-check my rollaboard bag and pick it up when we arrived, bypassing the bag carousel completely. Saved a lot of time that way!
 
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 1):
I'm also one of those weirdos, as most a.netters would put it   , who prefers the CRJ-200 over the ERJ-135/140/145

I am in that camp as well. I like the CRJ over the ERJ 135/140/145 any day if the week, month, year... I have found that in addition to the quick boarding, the panes are usually not packed as they are for just short distances and even if they are full, the trip is over quickly before the ass cramps start and the feeling of being in a tube settles in to my brain.
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:38 pm

I agree. Every trip for me begins and ends with the DEN-RAP segment on a CR2 or ERJ, and I look forward to it every time. No middle seat, a quieter/smoother ride, and the quick enplaning/deplaning without anyone bringing rollaboards on are all major benefits.

But my favorite part is the single FA. At least on OO CR2s, the FA still gets to give a manual welcome and safety demonstration, without a voiceover or video, which means they can inject their personality. You can get to know the FA, and he/she is always (IMO) friendlier and more accommodating than mainline FAs.
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RE: In Defense Of CRJs

Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:26 am

I don't mind a CRJ 200 on flights under an hour. I always have to take one when I fly GFK-MSP to get back home. But any longer than that I feel a little cramped. And I'm not a very big guy at all. The larger CRJs I can take to a certain point. Though I have to admit I LOVE planeside baggage. Overhead bins are such a pain when boarding. I hate how you have those people who have the huge suitcase that will for sure not fit but they in their head think it will. Plus it is so nice landing and having your bags right there to grab and go. Though I suppose I can't really hate them. When I'm on one it means I am going home, and I love that feeling.
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