Gasman
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SQ J Class To AMS

Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:14 pm

Is this still the J class product on SQ's 772s to AMS?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singa...d=e35b5b6f2fbc1210a1ff248dcba791e1

I flew it in 2009, and it seemed severely outdated even then. Trying to find a decent Star Alliance J product to AMS is proving tricky...
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting gasman (Thread starter):

Is this still the J class product on SQ's 772s to AMS?

SQ fly B777-300ER to AMS
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):
SQ fly B777-300ER to AMS

Not according to their booking engine for March next year.
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 2):
Not according to their booking engine for March next year.

They are reverting back from 77W to 77E end of October when the 77W is moved to the 4th SIN-LHR slot. I am flying SIN-AMS in end November and it is on a 77E.

I asked SQ in AMS about a year ago when they are going to upgrade the flight, and the answer was that they (SQ AMS) asked for that many times, but no permanent upgrade was planned but they would get a 77W if a spare one is available.

My guess is that this will be one of the first A350 flights as the 77W J-class is probably not viable in AMS (same for CPH).

BTW - the 77E is still better than the 415 seat 77W which KLM flies on this route.
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:22 am

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 3):
BTW - the 77E is still better than the 415 seat 77W which KLM flies on this route.

Yes....but nowhere near as good as SQ's own 77W, nor NZ's 77W, nor EK's A380 etc. etc..... all a matter of where one's own personal "baseline" is I guess. Don't forget also, that this is a 13 hour flight. You'd think that assigning a premium J class product would be a priority.
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:00 am

I think we will see a 77W on SIN-AMS route again once SQ start getting 77W deliveries in 2013. My guess is the 8 77W's on order will replace the last of the SV* rego 777-200ER's.

[Edited 2012-09-19 21:01:50]
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:35 am

SQ 77E is still in good shape and the Business class seat (Spacebed?) on this aircraft is still above average, spacious angled lie-flat!!!
I think SQ sees AMS market/load not as lucrative as other European markets where 777-300ERs are in charge with the latest in-flight products. Just like FCO, CPH, IST and soon to be gone ATH.

Having said that, I think this comment is the answer to it all.

Quoting Sethor (Reply 5):
I think we will see a 77W on SIN-AMS route again once SQ start getting 77W deliveries in 2013. My guess is the 8 77W's on order will replace the last of the SV* rego 777-200ER's.
Let's just blame it on yields.
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:40 am

Will the remaining SQ 77W be in the low density configuration? And now that we're on it, is AMS a high yielding destination?
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:01 am

Quoting SQSFO (Reply 7):
is AMS a high yielding destination?

No, at least it is not a premium fare destination. That's why CX reverts to a 2-class A343 for AMS. I expect CX to deploy their 3 class (with premium economy but without first class) 77W's at AMS as soon as they receice more (IIRC, they only have 2 of those now).

Quoting SQSFO (Reply 7):

Will the remaining SQ 77W be in the low density configuration?

That's a very interesting question. SQ's low density 77W has less seats than their 2-class 77E's, so it doesn't surprise me AMS will be downgraded to 77E again. So, it could be that SQ's new 77W's will have less premium seats to replace the 2 class 77E's. But it is also feasible SQ wants to wait for their A350s or 787s for the less premium fare destinations.
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:51 am

Quoting gasman (Thread starter):
Trying to find a decent Star Alliance J product to AMS is proving tricky...

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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting SQSFO (Reply 7):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
That's a very interesting question. SQ's low density 77W has less seats than their 2-class 77E's, so it doesn't surprise me AMS will be downgraded to 77E again. So, it could be that SQ's new 77W's will have less premium seats to replace the 2 class 77E's. But it is also feasible SQ wants to wait for their A350s or 787s for the less premium fare destinations.

The new 77W's due next year will likely debut the new product, so I imagine will be premium heavy to get the new seats to key markets in the US/Europe quickly. Existing aircraft will be retrofitted with the new product, so perhaps we will see a higher density configuration (potentially without F given CX's recent moves) emerge to replace the 77E's down the track.
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting SQSFO (Reply 7):
Will the remaining SQ 77W be in the low density configuration? And now that we're on it, is AMS a high yielding destination?

IMO not really, I flew in J on AMS-SIN about a three weeks ago on the 77W & it would have been 50-60% full in J.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
That's a very interesting question. SQ's low density 77W has less seats than their 2-class 77E's, so it doesn't surprise me AMS will be downgraded to 77E again. So, it could be that SQ's new 77W's will have less premium seats to replace the 2 class 77E's. But it is also feasible SQ wants to wait for their A350s or 787s for the less premium fare destinations.

The 77W's on order are going to launch new business & first class seats, I'm sure these new planes will have similar density to the ones already in the fleet.
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:17 am

Quoting nethkt (Reply 6):
SQ 77E is still in good shape and the Business class seat (Spacebed?) on this aircraft is still above average, spacious angled lie-flat!!!

Can't let this one go unchallenged. Anything less than a horizontal lie flat seat cannot be considered "above average" in this day and age, particularly on a 13 hour sector. Similarly, the circa 2005 IFE on these seats is anything but "above average". The only reason of course that SQ an get away with this on the SIN-AMS leg, is that KLM's J class product with its 2-3-2 config, is even worse.
 
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RE: SQ J Class To AMS

Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:14 pm

Well it looks like the 77W will be back, taken from SQTalk.

"Singapore Airlines Jan – Mar 2013 Amsterdam Operation Changes
by JL
Update at 1435GMT 05OCT12

From 07JAN13 to 12MAR13, Singapore Airlines is adjusting operational aircraft on Singapore – Amsterdam route. 3 of 7 weekly flights will switch from 777-200ER to -300ER.

Schedule:

SQ324 SIN2355 – 0645+1AMS 772 x124
SQ324 SIN2355 – 0645+1AMS 77W 124

SQ323 AMS1030 – 0555+1SIN 772 x235
SQ323 AMS1030 – 0555+1SIN 77W 235

http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/05/sq-ams-jan13/"

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