jkrugman22
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DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:17 pm

Hi - long time reader, first time poster. I've noticed on flightaware DL295 occasionally making a stopover. A few days back in ANC - today in SEA. I know flightaware is not the most accurate when it comes to routing, but was wondering if anyone had any insight as to why. I'm curious since I'll be on that flight a few times over the next 3 months.

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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:06 pm

Flagstopped in SEA today due to fuel capacity; probably heavy headwinds. ATL-NRT is a long flight...
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 1):
Flagstopped in SEA today due to fuel capacity; probably heavy headwinds. ATL-NRT is a long flight...

Is this on a 744? why don't they use a 77L?
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:51 pm

Flagstopped in SEA today due to fuel capacit

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

376 seats full vs. 269 is probably the best answer...
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 3):
376 seats full vs. 269 is probably the best answer...

Here come the ever hated 748 question    , but do you think this could make the route better without stopping?
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:44 pm

Stopping in SEA to take on fuel adds cost for DL. However, they are apparantly comfortable using a 744 instead of a 77L given the loads and presumably the yields.

DL seems to enjoy taking used a/c into its fleet and stretching out the life of their existing a/c. The fuel refinery will increase that benefit as their older a/c won't cost the same to fuel as say US or AA's.

A 748 on that route would be great but DL isn't springing for them.
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 5):
A 748 on that route would be great but DL isn't springing for them.

That's alot of money for just one route plus you need at least 2 748's on the route and DL probably doesn't want to spend that kind of cabbage on purchasing the aircraft.
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:22 pm

I don't remember this route making many fuel stops the last time it was a 744. Winds must be really bad lately. The flight has been over 14 hours on some days, and that's the limit for their 747s.
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:33 pm

Looks like the jet stream has been running 110 to 140 kts off Kamchatka recently. I've looked at some other NRT flights, and they are going far north, or south of their normal route.
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:42 pm

Did the MD-11 ever have to make fuel stops on the ATL-NRT runs during the winter months? I recall it having trouble on LAX-HKG but i wasn't aware of ATL-NRT having fuel issues. And yeah, the headwinds must be brutal because ATL-NRT is considerably shorter than ORD-HKG, which i know UA used to run their -400's on and still might, i'm not sure.

Perhaps the better question would be why not put a 77E on the route, while not nearly as much range as the 77L it would still have plenty of legs to make the run even with bad headwinds.
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:45 pm

I don't think DL would want to go down to a 77E. First, they take out a lot of revenue in the form of passengers and cargo. Second, they might also take a weight penalty westbound with the winds aloft as strong as they are right now. Fourteen hours is a LONG flight for a 77E.
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 9):
And yeah, the headwinds must be brutal because ATL-NRT is considerably shorter than ORD-HKG, which i know UA used to run their -400's on and still might, i'm not sure.

Also consider that all 744 are not created equal. NW removed the tail stabilizer fuel tanks I believe, slightly reducing the range for their 744 fleet. UA has them intact I believe.
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:02 am

It happens very infrequently. The 744 is well-capable of ATL-NRT. The winds have been monstrous of late -- no reason though to throw the 744 off the route for the couple of times this happens every few years!
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 11):
Also consider that all 744 are not created equal. NW removed the tail stabilizer fuel tanks I believe, slightly reducing the range for their 744 fleet. UA has them intact I believe

Any idea how much of a range penalty that is good for?
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:07 am

I'm curious, what drives the decision to stop in ANC vs SEA?
 
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 9):
And yeah, the headwinds must be brutal because ATL-NRT is considerably shorter than ORD-HKG, which i know UA used to run their -400's on and still might, i'm not sure.

UA still flies ORD-HKG with a 744 but keep in mind it takes a polar route so it may encounter less headwinds than ATL-NRT which takes a Pacific track.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 11):
UA has them intact I believe.

They do IIRC....
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting jkrugman22 (Reply 14):
I'm curious, what drives the decision to stop in ANC vs SEA?

ANC is along the great circle route from ATL-NRT, SEA is much farther south. Even if they weren't stopping at ANC, they'd still fly right over it. Welcome to Airliners.net!
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RE: DL295 Stops?

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting jkrugman22 (Reply 14):
I'm curious, what drives the decision to stop in ANC vs SEA?

They also have some significant presence at SEA too
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