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UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:35 pm

Now that I am flying United out of EWR often, I see "some" aircraft in shades of blue among all the old globes, and they stand out like a sore thumb. I assume they are headed for Zurich and Brussells. Are the sUA, 3 class aircraft out of EWR only in "Shades", or are there more but have been painted in CO livery? In simple terms, has there been more sUA cross-fleeting than what is visible or what I know about? Also, any future cross-fleeting out of NY?
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:38 pm

I'm still waiting for UA to schedule the 744 out of EWR. Now THAT would be a visible sign of sUA cross-fleeting!
 
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:49 pm

If it's a 763, all the new 2 class and old Domestic 2 class birds are already in the globe paint.

The 3 class 763s aren't halfway repainted. 14 in UA Blue, 1 in Star and 6 in Globe.
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:40 pm

I am at EWR right now, I have steam shooting from my ears, but I am remaining calm. This UA and CO ain't doing it for me yet. I am and have been GS for a decade. I knew everything about UA at one point. I just had an sCO person say to me as I got bumped down from F to a CO BF seat (equip problems) which I'm fine with, no big deal. Says.."our Continental Business First seat are much better than United's". What is wrong with these people? I said "I have flown in both a hundred times, and while the CO seats have a bit of storage, I find the UA seat more comfortable, so both are good in different ways". Do SQ employees dump on one of their seats over another?

Does being GS have meaning in this new world? And when do I get a 747 from EWR to Asia? Or any UHU out of NYC with Global First. My clients pay for it for flights over 8 hours. Is the hold up still pilot contacts? How do they pull off Zurich etc?
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:43 pm

Seems the 3-class 767s make on and off appearances out of EWR on:

IST, EZE, FCO, GVA, ZRH, IAH, MUC

EWR-BRU is a 3 class 777.

2-Class 763 conversions are more common out of EWR. My EWR-IAH on wednesday is a 2-class 763

The bulk of the 3-class 767 and 777 are out of IAD, ORD, SFO, etc.

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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:58 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
The bulk of the 3-class 767 and 777 are out of IAD, ORD, SFO, etc.

Other than an ORD turn to get the 763s in SFO for maintenance UA has not had any three class 767 routes to the west coast for years. They fly from IAD and ORD to europe and south america. GVA and ZRH went to 3 class 767 s right after the merger but other than that they are sticking to IAD and ORD.

MUC, EZE and IST are mostly 2 class 767s in the new configuration.
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):

What about routes like SFO-DEN/ORD/IAD/IAH?
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):

What about routes like SFO-DEN/ORD/IAD/IAH?

DEN had 3 class 767s to ORD and occasionally IAD but I believe not SFO. IAH was a 2 class airplane. UA kept the 3 class 767s in the east since ther utilization was so tight after DME and ACC routes were added.
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 3):
I am at EWR right now, I have steam shooting from my ears, but I am remaining calm. This UA and CO ain't doing it for me yet. I am and have been GS for a decade. I knew everything about UA at one point. I just had an sCO person say to me as I got bumped down from F to a CO BF seat (equip problems) which I'm fine with, no big deal. Says.."our Continental Business First seat are much better than United's". What is wrong with these people? I said "I have flown in both a hundred times, and while the CO seats have a bit of storage, I find the UA seat more comfortable, so both are good in different ways". Do SQ employees dump on one of their seats over another?

Does being GS have meaning in this new world? And when do I get a 747 from EWR to Asia? Or any UHU out of NYC with Global First. My clients pay for it for flights over 8 hours. Is the hold up still pilot contacts? How do they pull off Zurich etc?

I'm sorry to hear things aren't as good as they should be in EWR atm. The biz first vs Global First thing is subjective and I see no reason for them to put down one versus the other now that it is one airline.

As for 744's out of EWR, I think it unlikely that will happen. The 744's are being phased out as the leases come due and new twin birds come online. The 359's should have Global First and are intended as a direct replacement.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a Global Services member was at the top of the food chain for UA when it comes to their Frequent Flyer program. They invite folks based on revenue criteria realized from the client which should be pretty high. In return, the GS person should be treated as close to royalty as possible.

Global First won't be as plentiful as it used to be. There are fewer clients willing to pay that kind of cash for a flight in this "new world economy." It might change in five years or so but for now, the three class aircraft will ply on those routes UA considers laden with the highest percentage of premium passengers. I would think places like Hong Kong, London, Zurich, Frankfurt, Brussels, and possibly still Tokyo would be three class worthy for UA.
 
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:41 am

IAH has a three class 763 that flies ORD-IAH-ORD & 2 class birds that fly SFO-IAH-LIM-IAH-SFO & on occasion EWR-IAH-EWR
 
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:35 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):

The bulk of the 3-class 767 and 777 are out of IAD, ORD, SFO, etc.

That kind of baffles me. If EWR is the "crown jewel" in the UA network - as it serves the #1 market in the USA - wouldn't they want to get 3 class in there ASAP?
 
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):

That kind of baffles me. If EWR is the "crown jewel" in the UA network - as it serves the #1 market in the USA - wouldn't they want to get 3 class in there ASAP?

When it comes to revenue, that is not necessarily true. There is more demand, but also a lot more competition from EWR. ORD and IAD have less competition than EWR and yields to many markets are a bit higher. While NYC is a crown jewel in terms of demand, NYC is not necessarily a high yielding market. The same thing goes for LAX. With less competition, international flights out of IAH, IAD, ORD and SFO often have better yields. I know the topic isn't about LAX, but when I have seen the numbers from LAX, it is actually one of the lowest yielding international markets in the US. It's number 3, but for all destinations that UA serves from NRT in the US, LAX has the worst yields (even worse than HNL or SEA). EWR is similar in some ways.
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
When it comes to revenue, that is not necessarily true. There is more demand, but also a lot more competition from EWR. ORD and IAD have less competition than EWR and yields to many markets are a bit higher. While NYC is a crown jewel in terms of demand, NYC is not necessarily a high yielding market.

I was being somewhat sarcastic, but you've given good additional information!

On the "a lot more competition from EWR" point, though, I don't believe that is so. UA has complete and total dominance at EWR. If you were to add JFK/LGA to the mix then yes there is a lot of competition however, I would point out that EWR doesn't draw much traffic from east of the Hudson, so in that respect, it really is serving a completely different market than JFK/LGA and hence, back to my point that there really isn't much competition at EWR.
 
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):
That kind of baffles me. If EWR is the "crown jewel" in the UA network - as it serves the #1 market in the USA - wouldn't they want to get 3 class in there ASAP?

I think I've read that SFO and IAD are equal cash cows, if not more than EWR for UA. UA makes good money at all their hubs regardless of competition: DEN, IAH, and CLE as well.
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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:13 pm

Interested by this thread I was keen to know what classes of service are available from EWR-LHR. So. looking at UAs website I see we mostly get 3 class 757s - plus 1 3 class 777 [ which I am glad about as I'd hate to think BRU merits a 777 and we don't   .] So far so good.

Then I decided to check the fares. If I booked an F return the quoted fare was just short of £7k. If I book J the fare is something over £2k. However because the 757s have 'Business First' it seems to me that whether I book F or J I could end up sitting in the same seat !

So would UA really sell me the same seat for either 2 or 7k just depending on which button I click on their website? I definitely wouldn't be a happy bunny if I chose F and paid £5k for no benefit whatsoever. Anyone enlighten me ?

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RE: UA 3 Class Birds Out Of EWR

Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 13):

I think I've read that SFO and IAD are equal cash cows, if not more than EWR for UA. UA makes good money at all their hubs regardless of competition: DEN, IAH, and CLE as well.

Operating margin per hub is different than cash cow and quite hard to decipher. It is much easier to base margin on route. There are some very profitable routes (HKG is one of the most profitable long haul destination when I saw the data), and some less profitable routes. LAX-NRT and IAD-CDG were some of the lowest yielding routes. Trying to decide what is most profitable based hub is not very easy. DEN has virtually no international traffic, and relatively low domestic F demand, so its margin will show very low. Also, SFO and IAD do not have huge domestic networks like IAH, DEN or ORD, so they will have higher margins as well.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 14):
Interested by this thread I was keen to know what classes of service are available from EWR-LHR. So. looking at UAs website I see we mostly get 3 class 757s - plus 1 3 class 777 [ which I am glad about as I'd hate to think BRU merits a 777 and we don't .] So far so good.

Then I decided to check the fares. If I booked an F return the quoted fare was just short of £7k. If I book J the fare is something over £2k. However because the 757s have 'Business First' it seems to me that whether I book F or J I could end up sitting in the same seat !

So would UA really sell me the same seat for either 2 or 7k just depending on which button I click on their website? I definitely wouldn't be a happy bunny if I chose F and paid £5k for no benefit whatsoever. Anyone enlighten me ?

It is quite complicated on how the fares show. It should be clearer. You will end up paying the same for your BusinessFirst seat from EWR to LHR. There are no nonstop GlobalFirst seats. If you do a quick search requesting GlobalFirst, it will give you options for connecting flights through IAD that offer GlobalFirst at GlobalFirst prices and it gives you options for nonstop in BusinessFirst. If you pick a BusinessFirst flight on the first screen, it will lower the price on the return flight for you (it had assumed you wanted to connect in IAD to get GlobalFirst). If you go through the screens and select the nonstop flights, the first two pages will be misleading, but the end price is the same.
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