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Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leave

Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:04 pm

Back in the days of Concorde, it was easy to arrive at your destination way before you left, local time, if you went westbound. Today, crossing the date line eastbound will obviously make you arrive before you left, but I'm asking about westbound flights (chasing the sun) where this happens. Obviously subsonic planes can't fly faster than the earth's rotation, but some flights that fly very northerly or southerly routes, or have their origin and destination close to time zone boundaries, could do the same. For example Paris-London or Amsterdam-London flights usually arrive before they leave, but in the schedule they are longer than 1h because of schedule padding.

Here's the closest thing I could find: AF5238, ANR-LCY, 1735-1735

Are there any flights scheduled at less flying time than the time difference?

Soren  

Edit: I found one! BA879, LED 18:05, LHR 17:40
Who can find others?

[Edited 2012-11-26 13:17:04]
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:15 pm

A few that I know of into ORD (right on Eastern/Central Boundary)

AA 4025 AZO-ORD 1105-1105
UA 5408 MKG-ORD 1153-1145
UA 3545 SBN-ORD 1519-1506
UA DL F9 CO WN LO QF FI AC MU CA EU LH DY
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:57 pm

FI 679, KEF-ANC , 17:10-16:20

there is no DST in Iceland, I have no idea whether or not there is in Alaska.

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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:02 pm

Since Russia decided to stay on summer time year-round starting a year or two ago, it means there's now a 3-hour time difference during the winter between points like Moscow and St. Petersburg and most neighbouring countries to the west, and countries that previously only had a 1-hour time difference like Finland now have a 2-hour difference. Many flights are shorter than 3 hours so there are now many flights from Russia to other points in Europe that arrive before they leave.

It's especially noticeable on shorthaul sectors like LED-HEL (162 nm) where the 2-hour time difference means flights arrive slightly more than one hour before they leave (and in the other direction take about 3 hours by the clock).

LED-HEL AY166 1335-1230
LED-HEL AY170 1725-1620

HEL-LED AY165 0950-1250
HEL-LED AY169 1355-1650

Another example, Moscow-Stockholm (661 nm) with 3-hour time difference and flight time a little over 2 hours.

SVO-ARN SU2210 1145-1105
SVO-ARN SK731 1655-1615
SVO-ARN SU2386 2140-2105

ARN-SVO SK730 1050-1555
ARN-SVO SU2211 1205-1715
ARN-SVO SU2387 1055-1610

There must also be some strange examples between points in western China and neighbouring countries since all of China uses the same time zone and it's a fairly wide country.
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:02 pm

an even sillier example....

NY291, RKV-KUS, 12:00-10:55, in a Dash 8 or a Fokker 50 !!
(that's Reykjavik, Iceland to Kulusuk, Greenland)

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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:40 pm

Basically, as you pointed out Soren, the further north you get, the more likely this becomes. A hypothetical flight from LYR-YLT is just over 2 hours long, but you go back almost 4 hours in time.

I could also walk around the northpole in a few seconds, and cover 24 hours  

Interesting question though. It was fun investigating  

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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:02 am

China's one time zone does indeed have interesting consequences...

KC 988, URC - ALA, 4:15 - 4:05 (A321)
CZ 6011 URC - ALA, 21:00 - 20:30 (B737)

Elsewhere, in the Caribbean, I've found a Tortug'air flight 1611 from the Dominican Republic to Haiti: JQB - PAP 10:15-10:00

Malaysia Airlines 860 from KUL - MES is scheduled to arrive at the same time as it departs 8:25 - 8:25

It was indeed fun investigating for a little while...

[Edited 2012-11-26 16:04:55]
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:40 am

Interesting topic, some of those flights would be very tempting - if not for financial reasons.  Smile

I have fond memories of this one:



Alas, AeroSur is no more and AFAIK, nobody has taken over the route.

[Edited 2012-11-26 16:41:42]
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:54 am

Línea Aérea Amaszonas seems to fly that route (Z8 500), but seems to be flying LBP-CUZ with a CRJ-200, with the flight time from 10:05 to 10:05

[Edited 2012-11-26 17:55:21]
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:46 am

LA's MDZ-SCL flights arrive before they leave, so to speak. It's a 90 mile flight and crosses a time zone (and international border).
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:19 am

Here in Australia, Flights between Darwin, NT and Kununurra, WA have an arrival time earlier than the departure time due to a time difference of 1hr 30min.

DRW-KNX Airnorth TL332 10:50 10:20 1hr 00min E170
DRW-KNX Airnorth TL304 15:15 15:00 1hr 15min E120
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Here's the closest thing I could find: AF5238, ANR-LCY, 1735-1735

The new AMS-MSE flight arrives 5 minute before it leaves.

One day I'd love to have a New Year party in Australia or New Zealand, then fly back into the last year and do it all over again in Hawaii or somewhere.


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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:37 pm

DNR-GCI on Aurigny's Trislander is a short 35 minute hop, so it arrives 25 minutes before it departs.
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:44 am

It varies by day, but DL's SLC-EKO often times arrives minutes before it left. More consistently however, is UA's YUM-LAX during DST.

[Edited 2012-11-27 23:48:39]
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:48 am

AC 034 leaves SYD at 12:15pm and gets in YVR at 7:07 am. Time travel at it's finest! Oops, that's Eastbound, that's what I get for posting this early in the morning.

[Edited 2012-11-28 01:50:28]
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:30 pm

Any nonstop from Japan to Hawaii, or California... maybe Chicago too?
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:19 pm

With Air China :
LXA - KTM : 11:45 - 11:10

With Surinam Airways :
PBM - GEO : 10:00 - 09:45
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:45 pm

SQ12, NRT-1850
LAX-1150

its applies to any nonstop NRT to LAX- be advised it only occurs because the plane flies over the International Date Line and the flight is actually 10 hours in length- as of right now.
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 15):
Any nonstop from Japan to Hawaii, or California... maybe Chicago too?
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 17):
its applies to any nonstop NRT to LAX- be advised it only occurs because the plane flies over the International Date Line and the flight is actually 10 hours in length- as of right now.

Wasn't the original poster asking about westbound flights? Obviously eastbound flights that cross the International Date Line have a favorable chance of arriving "before" they left.
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:54 pm

My colleague flies DL from ATL-HSV regularly and it's not unusual for arrival time to be scheduled as 2 to 5 minutes before departure time, with actual arrival time sometimes more.
 
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:08 am

Any DPS to SUB flight in Indonesia also does this. SUB is 1 hour behind DPS and the flight time around 40-50 mins
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 18):

Sorry thoit it was any flight that "arrived" before they left.
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:57 pm

PY PBM to GEO Tuesday and Saturday 737-300, Departs 10:00, arrives 9:45
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RE: Westbound Flights That Arrive Before They Leav

Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:40 am

TKU-ARN: for example SK 2721 0850-0835
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