kurtjeter
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1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:53 pm

Flying fro EWR into FRA on LH, and one hour after scheduled landing is my LH city-liner to DRS.
Enough time? Do I collect my luggage/got through customs at FRA or at DRS?
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:30 am

You'll have to clear Immigration at Frankfurt. The airport is divided up into zones - Transit and Schengen/domestic. Theoretically you go through Customs with your carryon only. If your checked bags were checked through, you do not pick them up and recheck.

60 minutes is the minimum for a non-Schengen - Schengen transfer. You are betting that your incoming flight arrives on time, that there is a gate or pad available, if pad, that the bus is there, and that there isn't a huge line for Immigration. If everything goes well, you should make it.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:51 am

I did a transfer with LH from a MEX flight to one that departed for EZE. If I had only had 60 mins I would not have made it. I personally don´t think it´s enough. However, if you are flying with one ticket and the airline who sold it to you says it can be done, they are obliged to protect you if you don´t make the connection.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:02 am

The airlines offer 60 minutes transit time in FRA, but my personal experience shows that it can be possible with good weather, no traffic, short walking distances...

In many cases 60 minutes will be tight, especially during winter... I often hear from the flight manager: "we are still waiting for connex passanger, we are not sure if they gonna make it...".

When I transit via FRA I give myself at least 90 minutes of time or even more...

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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:43 pm

I always allow minimum two hours at FRA . The min connecting times are just that ''Minimum'' so take the stress out of it all and allow for delays .
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I always allow minimum two hours at FRA .

Absolutely .

The waiting times to get through customs can be very long and slow. Give yourself more time and do a bit of "spotting"
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:09 pm

I had a 70 minute connection in FRA last year IAD-FRA-GVA and missed the connection. 20 minutes late on arrival, bus gate, line at immigration, line at security, and my connection was gone. Fortunately LH is relatively good at rebooking and I just had to wait 2 hours for the next flight to GVA.

My personal experience with FRA is that it is a bit confusing if you have never been there and 90 - 120 minutes at a minimum is best. There are multiple levels and wings with some schengen and some non-schengen, and it isn't always intuitive where to go after a red eye flight from the US. The bus gates certainly don't help either.

If it was Munich, I'd say you are fine. However FRA is not as well organized and the bus gates can waste a lot of time.
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
If it was Munich, I'd say you are fine. However FRA is not as well organized and the bus gates can waste a lot of time.


I can verify that MUC is excellent. Had a late arriving flight (on UA go figure) and ended up with 30 minutes from the time we touched down till the LH departure to Naples. We parked on a hard stand took the bus to the terminal and got to our gate in less than 20 after we touched down. No way could you have told me we would make the connection.

One would think FRA would adopt the MUC concept and make it very very simple when in transit particularly.
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:10 pm

Considering the bus gates: that situation has improved since the opening of the new A+ pier. You're now less likely to get "treated" to an apron tour in freezing rain.

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7):
One would think FRA would adopt the MUC concept and make it very very simple when in transit particularly.

Um... nice idea, but how would you go about doing that? MUC was built from scratch in the 1980s, out in the boonies with space for expansion, some of which was used for the LH/Star Alliance terminal #2. FRA on the other hand opened as an airport and airship base in 1936, is almost impossible to expand (for a variety of reasons) and its high passenger numbers make any complete rebuild of a terminal impossible - can't demolish it when passengers are using it.
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 2):
I did a transfer with LH from a MEX flight to one that departed for EZE. If I had only had 60 mins I would not have made it.

Sorry but did you just say you flew MEX-FRA-EZE or am I too tired to read correctly?
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:41 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 9):
Sorry but did you just say you flew MEX-FRA-EZE or am I too tired to read correctly?

Yep. That´s what I did:

Journey: MTY-MDZ; Part 2 MEX-FRA, LH 499 C (by AR385 Dec 6 2010 in Trip Reports)?threadid=184176&searchid=184483&s=Journey+MEx-FRA#ID184483

Journey: MTY-MDZ; Part 3 FRA-EZE, LH 510 F (by AR385 Dec 30 2010 in Trip Reports)?threadid=184148&searchid=185272&s=Journey+FRA-EZE#ID185272
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:25 pm

My wife and I flew IAH-FRA-HAM with a 70 min connection. I concur that the only bottle neck seems to be at customs as the line from the morning bank of flights transferring from Z gates to domestic gates can be VERY long. One thing I found is that this area has a Biz Class line for which if one has a level of status you can utilize the it if you ask nicely of the supervising staff. I had Oil & Energy Club membership status (also gains you access to the Business Class Lounge) and was able to get both my wife as well as another traveling companion through customs in less than 5 min. Had we waited in line like everyone else, we would have missed the connection to Hamburg altogether.

[Edited 2013-01-31 07:27:35]
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:33 pm

Hi,

FRA is my homebase. Irregs and misconnex my specialty (hence my username )

I know sales promotes the 60min connex time however please give yourself at least 90min to be on the safe side.
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:59 pm

A few months ago I had HAM-FRA-LHR journey booked, and the original flight HAM-FRA was about 70 min connection with FRA-LHR flight, which I was a bit worried about, being the last flight too. So I managed to get myself onto an earlier HAM-FRA flight instead and then for an experiment rushed to the gate to see how quickly I could transfer (via the underground tunnel) and including passing through Customs to leave the country, I did gate to gate in 20 minutes from different wings parts of the terminal. I was quite impressed actually. Then had ages to wait so did a bit of spotting and shopping instead and had a real Frankfurter in FRA too!

I don't like tight connections, you might make the flight and your bags don't sometimes. Travelling should be enjoyed so why rush!
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:07 pm

1 Hour is enough in FRA......IF you are an overwater Star Alliance flight AND are continuing to another EU country on LH. Had no problems with that. In other cases, one hour is probably not enough.

MUC of course, is a better connection hub......and VIE and ZRH are more problematic than FRA.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:51 am

Thanks to all who responded. Helpful advice, guys, I appreciate it!
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:30 am

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 14):

MUC of course, is a better connection hub......and VIE and ZRH are more problematic than FRA.

I agree that MUC is much better than FRA but I disagree that ZRH is worse than FRA. Just the opposite in my opinion. I consider ZRH on a par with MUC in efficiency and convenience.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:33 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
I agree that MUC is much better than FRA but I disagree that ZRH is worse than FRA. Just the opposite in my opinion. I consider ZRH on a par with MUC in efficiency and convenience.

I once flew LX from CDG, and connected inter-Europe on LX in ZRH, and the time was sufficient, no problem. But a few months ago, I did go UA transatlantic-to-LX inter-Europe in ZRH..........and barely made it.......between the passport control, a train, and a gate almost at the end of the concourse. (And no restroom or coffee stops along the way, either).
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:43 am

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 14):
MUC of course, is a better connection hub......and VIE and ZRH are more problematic than FRA.

I'm willing to bet that you've not been through the new Austrian Airlines/Star Alliance terminal? The minimum connection time is 35 minutes, and I have gone IAD-VIE-SZG with the connection in VIE made in 25 minutes (back of a full 767, through security/immigration and into the Schengen level)
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:34 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 14):
ZRH are more problematic than FRA.

No way . ZRH is a breeze and I have over 50 transits under my belt. Also half of those have been inbound from ATH( Schengen) to DUB ( Non Schengen) and connection was an hour. I have never mis connected. That was when they had closed the non schengen Pier and used a temporary area. Now the new Pier is open at the D Gates and its even better. I used it this morning and ZRH is my choice over any European Aiport.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:26 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
ZRH is my choice over any European Aiport.

ZRH is good but I prefer MUC, especially for longhaul connections where all Star Alliance connections are in the same building. That underground shuttle train to/from the longhaul gates is an added compllication at ZRH.

I still much prefer AMS over both MUC and ZRH.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:00 am

Quoting LOWS (Reply 18):
I'm willing to bet that you've not been through the new Austrian Airlines/Star Alliance terminal? The minimum connection time is 35 minutes, and I have gone IAD-VIE-SZG with the connection in VIE made in 25 minutes (back of a full 767, through security/immigration and into the Schengen level)

Not recently. Haven't been to VIE in about three years, so the situation is apparently different now. How is it for the Arrows and Tyrolean services, though? Are they at the same terminal with the rest of Star?? I remember when I went to HRK via VIE, they were not only segregated from the standard size planes and had to take a bus for remote operation, but also had to go through another security checkpoint. What's it like nowadays concerning OS express carriers to Eastern European destinations??

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
That underground shuttle train to/from the longhaul gates is an added compllication at ZRH

Definitely. And was pleasantly surprised that the bags showed up, too. Still, I didn't expect it to take nearly that long.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 9):
Sorry but did you just say you flew MEX-FRA-EZE or am I too tired to read correctly?

I did have some friends on airline staff travel that need to get to Suriname, and ended up going from SFO via IAD and AMS.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 21):

Not recently. Haven't been to VIE in about three years, so the situation is apparently different now. How is it for the Arrows and Tyrolean services, though? Are they at the same terminal with the rest of Star??

There are still remote stands, but with every Star Aliiance carrier and service under one roof it's very easy to do.

It is 1000x better than the old setup.
 
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:28 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):
Absolutely .

The waiting times to get through customs can be very long and slow. Give yourself more time and do a bit of "spotting"

I have never officially connected at FRA, as far as the airlines are concerned. When I go to Germany I go to LEJ so I usually fly DL DTW-FRA and then collect my bags and go and check in with LH for the FRA-LEJ flight. I usually give myself three hours to do this, but one time I got through everything very fast and was able to make an earlier flight. I made it through all the hurdles in less than 45 minutes, it might have been a record.  

I could make things easier to by booking DTW-FRA-LEJ on LH, but I want the skyteam miles out of DTW. You used to be able to fly AF DTW-CDG-LEJ, but the layover at CDG was LONG, so it was way faster to go the other way.
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RE: 1 Hour Enough At FRA With LH?

Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:18 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 23):
I made it through all the hurdles in less than 45 minutes, it might have been a record.

I reckon your right, 45 mins is not bad at all !

Quoting falstaff (Reply 23):
but the layover at CDG was LONG,

Yeah. Each time Ive been through CDG (5 times) has been an awful experience, VERY long ques, within the Schengen area and rude unhelpful check-in staff. The last time I was there was last summer. The terminal inside was SO SO hot ,stuffy and humid. The other thing that stood out at CDG, was there were not enough seating areas for passengers waiting for connecting flight, people were lying/sitting all over the place.

Will never travel through there again If I can possibly avoid it...CDG is bad news indeed.
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