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US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:47 am

Was sat in traffic on the I95 this afternoon and I watched this flight go-around at about 30 feet from KFLL. Fantastic. Does anyone know the reason?

Bit late for a config warning. It looked stable from where I was - there wasn't much of a wind and I couldn't see anything down the runway. But that's all speculation. I'd like to know the reason if anyone has the info.

[Edited 2013-03-14 18:49:12]
 
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:47 am

Could have been a sudden crosswind or possibly something on the runway that just was out of your view? This is really something that is hard to speculate.
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:27 am

Preceding plane not off the runway?? The speculation could be endless unless the controller or pilots on the field are on A.net
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:49 am

Go-arounds aren't exactly newsworthy. It's like asking why Delta 1492 was delayed 25 minutes pushing back from the gate (made it up, don't go off looking it up). Abnormal, yes, but not a rarity.
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:00 am

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 3):
Go-arounds aren't exactly newsworthy.

I don't think he's saying it is, he's just asking what the reason could be since there was nothing obvious to force a go-around.

I've seen plenty of go-arounds myself but it's usually pretty clear why they're going around.
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:22 am

I just pulled up LiveATC and listened to the feed. It was an aircraft on the runway that didn't get off in time. The feed is actually pretty funny. ATC advised him to go around. He acknowledged and went around. He waited a few seconds after finishing the transmission and said "Rookie!" Gave me a good chuckle.
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:38 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):

These go arounds are the most annoying ones as a go around is expensive and can cause delays and doesn't make passengers happy. Most passengers don't like go arounds and it scares them.

For me as a pilot it is quite fun, all the power in the go around. I like them - if they weren't that expensive...

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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:38 pm

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):

I just pulled up LiveATC and listened to the feed. It was an aircraft on the runway that didn't get off in time. The feed is actually pretty funny. ATC advised him to go around. He acknowledged and went around. He waited a few seconds after finishing the transmission and said "Rookie!" Gave me a good chuckle.

Cheers, Pat.

Hadn't thought to check live ATC but I just did and heard it myself!

Yes indeed, this topic was not about the safety of go-arounds blah blah but more to find the reason for this one as I had a spectacular view of it and that is was only from about 30ft. Those smokey engines didn't half make my car rumble!
 
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6):
These go arounds are the most annoying ones as a go around is expensive and can cause delays



Agreed, and most of the time it's much safer to just let the airplane land rather than put them back into the sequence. If this happened during the front of an arrival bank the go around and coming delay might be quite excessive getting them back in the conga line.

I've issued go arounds because the ASDE-X in the tower issued the alert and it's mandatory, even if the plane not clear of the runway was on the high speed just not across the hold line. Completely safe to let the second land, but oh no someone in their infinite wisdom determined it was unsafe for the second to land rather than let the controller use their good judgment.
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
Agreed, and most of the time it's much safer to just let the airplane land rather than put them back into the sequence. If this happened during the front of an arrival bank the go around and coming delay might be quite excessive getting them back in the conga line.

Well, yeah. I had it twice in FRA. Airplane was basically off the runway, but the tail looked a little too far behind the line. Sure there are rules at what time a landing is allowed and when not. But it is really annoying. But you have to draw a line at what point the landing can be made and at what point it isn't.

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
I've issued go arounds because the ASDE-X in the tower issued the alert and it's mandatory, even if the plane not clear of the runway was on the high speed just not across the hold line. Completely safe to let the second land, but oh no someone in their infinite wisdom determined it was unsafe for the second to land rather than let the controller use their good judgment.

It is interesting for me in the US that you get a landing clearance as #4 or so. In Germany they are only allowed to issue the landing clearance when the runway is actually free of any other traffic.

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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:19 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6):

Oh I can imagine how pricey they must get. I know I cringe when I have to do one in a C172, I can't Imagine a 747..
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RE: US 1557 Go-around 14/Mar/2013

Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 9):
Sure there are rules at what time a landing is allowed and when not. But it is really annoying. But you have to draw a line at what point the landing can be made and at what point it isn't.



Indeed, that line should be drawn IMHO when similar aircraft types/category 6,000' down the runway and exiting the runway is plenty of room for a safe operation, even less when smaller aircraft type/category are involved.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 9):
It is interesting for me in the US that you get a landing clearance as #4 or so.



I never issued a landing clearance beyond number three, couldn't count any higher without taking my calculator out!  
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