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Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:20 pm

Hi,

Just wanted to start a list of airlines without any domestic flights, but with only international flights.

Thanks.

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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:35 pm

A few ones come to mind...

Brussels Airlines
Luxair
Singapore Airlines
Emirates
Etihad
Qatar Airways
Gulf Air
Sri Lankan
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Great start!

- Icelandair

Looks like Sri Lankan will start a domestic service later this month.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:55 pm

Aer Lingus

Cyprus Airways
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:00 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Aer Lingus

I thought their regional affiliate has a DUB-SNN route?
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:28 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
I thought their regional affiliate has a DUB-SNN route?

No its long gone. Only way now is by car/bus/train.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:44 pm

Does Oman Air have domestic flights ??
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting moby147 (Reply 7):
Does Oman Air have domestic flights ??

Yes SLL-MCT .
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:08 pm

Quoting moby147 (Reply 7):
Does Oman Air have domestic flights ??

Yes, they serve 2 points in Oman from MCT, SLL (Salalah) and KHS (Khasab).
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:19 pm

KLM KL
Estonian Air OV
Air Baltic BT
Jat Airways JU
Air Malta KM
Cyprus Airways CY
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:21 pm

Forgot to add MEA and KU
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):

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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:43 am

Don't forget CX, KA and NX!   BT also doesn't have, as does OV.

Also, does OK still have domestic flights?
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:07 am

What about Copa Airlines Panama? I think the Colombian division has domestic flights, though.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:51 am

There's also AirAsia X, Silkair, Royal Brunei, Hongkong-based* (besides the already-mentioned Cathay Pacific & Dargonair) Hongkong Airlines, (plus others?), and the Singapore-based LCCs; Scoot, Tiger(TR), Jetstar Asia(3K).
Except AirAsia X, all are because of their countries' small size.

*Note that though HK is now politically part of China, its carriers' mainland destinations are considered international routes.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
Also, does OK still have domestic flights?

Still one or two daily ATR-42/72 on PRG-OSR.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:51 pm

Not sure if you'll count TS, they fly domestically but only as part of international flights (and there is no way for the public to get tickets solely for the domestic legs, in Canada or in other countries).
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 13):
What about Copa Airlines Panama? I think the Colombian division has domestic flights, though.

Hey, Copa Airlines doesnt have domestic flights in Panama. If you count flights within Colombia, yes they... Example CTG-ADZ
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:21 am

To summarize, those are most airlines whose home countries are geographically small, that is a small area.
I would add to that list:

Sri Lankan Airlines.

Swiss, though they maybe fly GVA-ZRH but I'm not sure about that.

El Al, maybe, but I believe they fly Tel Aviv - Eilat.

The old Sabena used to fly out of BRU to Antwerp and Liege, with its former regional subsidiary DAT.

I would be more specific about EU airlines because all flights within the Schengen zone are now considered as domestic flights within Europe. If you can fly without a passport then your flight is considered as domestic.

If you talk about airlines that do not have any flights within their home country, then this list is correct.

Quoting airtrainer (Reply 1):
Luxair

Right. Luxemburg Findel is the only airport in Luxemburg where a commercial aircraft can land.

The topic should be rephrased as follows:

"Airlines that won't allow you to fly at all if you don't have a passport"
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:26 am

I would add Virgin Atlantic.

They serve multiple points in the UK, but don't fly scheduled flights between them.

They are starting a subsidiary airline, Little Red, but it is operated by Aer Lingus (so a different airline).

Edit: As for Cathay Pacific, they don't operate any domestic in HKG (obvious reason), but they do fly between ADL and MEL, which is domestic in Australia (however, they cannot sell these seats), so they could possibly be considered as an airline that flies domestically depending on the definition.

-CXfirst

[Edited 2013-03-19 19:29:17]
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:16 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):
El Al, maybe, but I believe they fly Tel Aviv - Eilat.

Yes, LY flies this route.
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:56 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):
I would be more specific about EU airlines because all flights within the Schengen zone are now considered as domestic flights within Europe.

That is technically incorrect. Flights within the Schengen Area are not domestic flights, even though on the surface they may appear to be. They are international flights between countries that have agreed to normally abolish border checks but, as per the Convention Implementing The Schengen Agreement, participating countries can conduct spot checks and retain the right to re-establish border checks at any time "where public policy or national security so require." To my knowledge, only France has done so, however, once during a period of heightened terrorist alert, and also ahead of high-risk soccer matches to keep certain hooligans from entering the country.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):
If you can fly without a passport then your flight is considered as domestic.

Again, technically incorrect. There are numerous countries around the world that will accept a national ID from residents of certain other countries in lieu of a passport.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:16 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
Again, technically incorrect. There are numerous countries around the world that will accept a national ID from residents of certain other countries in lieu of a passport.

Indeed, For a long time Canadians did not need a passport to enter the United States. All you needed was a birth certificate and photo id like a drivers license.

I believe Canadians entering the Dominican Republic still don't need a passport. (this may have changed now though)
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:34 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):
If you can fly without a passport then your flight is considered as domestic.

No can do!
So conversely, if you have to fly with a passport the flight must be an international one? Peninsular Malaysians are required to produce their passports when flying to East Malaysia (Sabah & Sarawak) but they are by no means international routes. (Actually the immigration rules between the West Malaysians & the East Malaysians are quirky and somewhat more complex than my simple statement - can any knowledgeable Malaysian or other a.netters expound further on this?)

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):

"Airlines that won't allow you to fly at all if you don't have a passport"

How can that be as there are loads of airlines that fly both domestic and international destinations.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:54 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 19):
I would add Virgin Atlantic

I am afraid that has now changed - Virgin have very recently started domestic flights from LHR to MAN/EDI/ABZ albeit the planes are provided by Aer Lingus.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:53 pm

Quoting flyboy_se (Reply 9):
KLM KL

Well with Bonaire now a special municipality under the Netherlands and not part of the Antilles, I guess AMS-BON could be considered domestic. But, perhaps a Dutch person can correct me on passport stuff for this flight

[Edited 2013-03-20 10:03:34]
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
Again, technically incorrect. There are numerous countries around the world that will accept a national ID from residents of certain other countries in lieu of a passport.

Yes, you are right! Actually I don't need passport to travel to Venezuela, for example, because I'm argentinian, but in NO way that's domestic!
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting Airontario (Reply 22):
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
Again, technically incorrect. There are numerous countries around the world that will accept a national ID from residents of certain other countries in lieu of a passport.

Indeed, For a long time Canadians did not need a passport to enter the United States. All you needed was a birth certificate and photo id like a drivers license.

Until the post 9/11 period you didn't even need a birth certificate. I entered the U.S. dozens of times with nothing more than a driver's license, and can't recall ever being asked to show that.
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:44 pm

Surinam airways PY
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DAE 9H
Liat LI

Probably a lot more in the islands...these are just some of the ones I know and have used.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:06 am

Air Tahiti Nui hasn't been mentioned yet
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:21 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 29):
Air Tahiti Nui hasn't been mentioned yet

Probably because French Polynesia is a French overseas territory, so CDG-PPT is basically a domestic service between the terminal points, ignoring the stop at LAX.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:08 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
That is technically incorrect. Flights within the Schengen Area are not domestic flights, even though on the surface they may appear to be.

Schengen flights still go from international concourses, and are separate from domestic (for reasons such as tax free purchases, etc.)

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 21):
"where public policy or national security so require." To my knowledge, only France has done so,

OSL airport did from the 3-12 December 2012, which was due to the lead up to the Noble Peace Prize Ceremony (didn't experience it myself, but a press release from the airport operator said so).

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 24):
I am afraid that has now changed - Virgin have very recently started domestic flights from LHR to MAN/EDI/ABZ albeit the planes are provided by Aer Lingus.

And operated under the name Little Red. I see it as a different airline, just closely aligned to VS.

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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:01 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 31):
Schengen flights still go from international concourses, and are separate from domestic (for reasons such as tax free purchases, etc.)

I thought the distinction was between Schengen and non-Schengen, rather than domestic and international? At WAW, for example, LO's domestic flights freely mix with an international flight at the gate next door.
 
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Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:20 pm

I think Belavia has a MSQ-MVQ trip once a week, if I recall correctly, which comes pretty close.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:48 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 31):
Schengen flights still go from international concourses, and are separate from domestic (for reasons such as tax free purchases, etc.)

Not sure what they do in Norway, but at every airport I've been to in the Schengen area the only separation is between Schengen and non-Schengen. Domestic flights use the same gates as Schengen flights. There may possibly be some exceptions to that but dozens of major airports are now only Shengen and Non-Schengen with no separate gates for Domestic flights.

As a sidenote, even before Switzerland joined the Schengen area, domestic flights in Switzerland were handled the same as international flights with no separate gates or procedures. Now, GVA-ZRH flights are handled like all other Schengen. There's no reason to segregate purely domestic flights from Schengen flights.
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:27 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):
Not sure what they do in Norway, but at every airport I've been to in the Schengen area the only separation is between Schengen and non-Schengen.

Sorry, didn't know that. In Norway domestic is separated from Schengen. That allows duty free stores to be open in Schengen areas (I know there are other ways to make sure domestic passengers pay tax). Secondly, it has domestic and international passenges separate after arrival, which means only international customers go through customs.

How do other European airports control these things?

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:42 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 35):
How do other European airports control these things?

As I mentioned previously, WAW (and all Polish airports) segregate between Schengen and non-Schengen only. LO's flights to WRO, POZ, GDN, KTW, etc. all depart from Schengen gates. In Germany, I noticed that MUC and TXL also combine Schengen and domestic flights in a single Schengen concourse. Domestic flights to other points in Greece from ATH also depart from Schengen gates.

I believe the reason why Norway separates domestic from Schengen is because Norway is not part of the EU customs union, and so items that would normally be sold at duty-free stores would be sold as they would in the rest of the world: inaccessible to domestic passengers.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:19 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 31):
And operated under the name Little Red. I see it as a different airline, just closely aligned to VS.

So, by the same logic, UA doesn't operate any flights between LAX/SFO/JFK because they're operated under the p.s. brand? QF didn't operate any flights between the major capitals in Australia back when they were operated under the CityFlyer brand? I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.

Little Red is a service brand, not an airline brand. The airline itself is VS (livery, flight numbers, lounges, frequent flyer programme, uniforms etc), but the service offered on board is Little Red.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:40 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 35):
How do other European airports control these things?

Where Schengen and domestic flights are mixed, duty-free shops ask for a boarding pass (and sometimes a passport).

Quoting qf002 (Reply 37):
Little Red is a service brand, not an airline brand. The airline itself is VS

Aircraft and crew come from Aer Lingus. Little Red is indeed a service brand, but Virgin doesn't operate the flights either.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:55 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 38):
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 35):
How do other European airports control these things?

Where Schengen and domestic flights are mixed, duty-free shops ask for a boarding pass (and sometimes a passport).

And some Schengen routes permit duty-free sales. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member but is part of Schengen. So passengers on flights between Switzerland and all other countries (including all Schengen countries) can purchase duty-free.

Many duty-free shops at EU airports have 2 sets of prices, one for flights to EU countries (all EU countries including those that aren't part of Schengen like the UK and Ireland and a few others), and one with lower true duty-free prices for flights to all non-EU countries (including non-EU Schengen countries, i.e. Switzerland, Norway, Iceland). The destination on your boarding pass determines which price you pay.

Some duty-free shops in the Schengen area (such as those in Germany) don't use the "Duty-Free" name and seem to have just set of prices regardless of destination. In Germany they often use the term "Travel Value". You usually get a better deal at airports that do have the dual pricing arrangement (PRG is one I recall recently; also AMS but there I believe the dual pricing is only for tobacco products).

The only problem is that you have to be on a direct flight to a non-EU country to be entitled to the duty-free price.. If you're connecting at an EU airport, e.g. PRG-AMS-GVA, then you're not entitled to the duty-free price at PRG.

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Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting Airontario (Reply 22):
I believe Canadians entering the Dominican Republic still don't need a passport.

I needed mine in November 2008.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:23 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 31):

And operated under the name Little Red. I see it as a different airline, just closely aligned to VS.

If you take a look at the VS website you will see that it says:

'Virgin Atlantic Little Red is our new UK domestic service'

To me this indicates that Little Red is a VS flight - just a 'clever' name for their domestic class of service. Also if you look back at media reports relating to the BA/BD remedy slots you will see that those slots were allocated to VS for domestic services and the rules of the game are that the 'winner' has to use them for the specified routes for 3 years.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:54 pm

Monarch Airlines operates no domestic flights... despite operating from 6 UK bases - none of those are connected.
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Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:35 pm

Air Uganda, the National Airline of Uganda.

Other than Entebbe/Kampala, platforms in that country are more similar to airfields and, i guess, cannot handle aircrafts bigger than the LET410.
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:41 pm

Does Ryanair operate any intra-ROI flights?
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:58 pm

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 25):
Well with Bonaire now a special municipality under the Netherlands and not part of the Antilles, I guess AMS-BON could be considered domestic. But, perhaps a Dutch person can correct me on passport stuff for this flight

AMS-BON is considered an international flight. Bonaire is not a municipal like any other minicipal in The Netherlands. It has a special status and isn't part of the Schengen area (as such AMS-BON is subject to border controls at each end of the flight).
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:19 pm

Quoting bergkampsticket (Reply 44):
Does Ryanair operate any intra-ROI flights?

DUB-ORK... in competition with Aer Lingus Regional / Aer Arann.

They also used to have the PSO route to operate DUB-KIR, but have now been replaced by Aer Arann - not sure how they won it in the first place!
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting 02hilliert (Reply 46):
Quoting bergkampsticket (Reply 44):
Does Ryanair operate any intra-ROI flights?

DUB-ORK... in competition with Aer Lingus Regional / Aer Arann.

I don't see any DUB-ORK flights on the Ryanair website and the route doesn't appear in their route map.
 
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RE: Airlines With No Domestic Flights

Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:31 pm

What about Adria?


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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:17 am

For many years Hungary had no domestic air service.

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