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Best/Worst Airport Layout

Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:52 am

My opinion:


Best runway configurations? DFW (very well organized)

Best Terminal Layout? ATL (crowded, but easy)


Worst Runway Configuration? ORD (runways everywhere, no organization! How that airport operates I'll never know)

Worst Terminal Layout? LHR (I think there terminal layout is confusing)
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:03 pm

Try MIA if you like long walks....
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:52 pm

Worst is sometimes also best.

CDG takes the prize for worst layout for connecting passengers, but if you are starting or ending your journey in Paris then it's brilliant.


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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:25 pm

Best terminal layout: IAH
Worst terminal layout: MEX T1, should be demolished entirely and built from cratch.

Best rway config: IAH
Worst rway config: NRT. Can´t figure out why they chose that site knowing the conflict with the farmers would make it impossible to build a crosswind rway. Makes for great YouTube videos though.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:35 am

TPA has a great layout. The first with the landside/airside concept. Another thread highlights upcoming improvements.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:09 am

Best terminal layout: Tie between ATL and DEN. The idea of parallel concourses is the ideal design for a major connecting hub.

Worst terminal layout: ORD, too scattered and confusing.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:26 pm

Worst terminal layout for me is MNL.
1. Four terminals and no reliable way to get between them.
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport
3. In general, just a disaster!
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:29 pm

Even after many years and going through many major airports, I still think AMS is the best of the major hubs. Very easy to navigate and almost impossible to get lost. Very clear signage. Distances can be quite long between the most extreme ends of the terminal but there are plenty of moving sidewalks, and having everything in one building is a big advantage over hubs with multiple terminals (or satellite terminals such as T5 at LHR).

In Europe I would rank MUC best after AMS. ZRH is also good.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:27 am

Best:

I am partial to DEN as far as terminal goes which would also include the nearly identical ATL. I was though a fan of FLL since you could show up 10 mins before your flight departs and still get on.

As for runways, the concept DEN uses, ie. ability to run simul-ILS', many BIG runways, etc is probably my favorite 'concept' unfortunately it is NOT utilized the way it should be WHATSOEVER and with that much land compared to the proclivity of the area to experience wind shear 'could' be the best out there.

Worst:

Terminal layout (those I have been to) HAS to be MIA. Perhaps this is just a number of BAD experiences there but the whole chaotic mess that is that airport is ABSURD. MEX seemed like we walked miles to get from one place to another but that could have been not knowing the airport.

Runways, definitely ORD up there. Every which direction is great when it is windy but thats it.

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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:10 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
ZRH is also good

I dislike the long aerotrain trip to and from the D and E gates. Why are they so far away?
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
CDG takes the prize for worst layout for connecting passengers

True, but ADP and AF are working hard to realise the departure of most of the AF flights from terminal 2E/2F. And that connection is not as good as - let's say - AMS but not as bad as in the old days when all flights left from 5 different terminals.

In Europe, the runway layout of OSL and CPH is certainly good. AMS is good except 18R36L. Terminal lay out of OSL and CPH is good, ARN however is bad.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:11 am

Worst runway config to me is SFO. Great in good weather with landing and take off every minute. In bad weather, FOG, cut in half with 2-3 hr delays up and down the Coast. New Technology should help in the next couple of years.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:44 am

Quoting copter808 (Reply 6):
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport

There are public buses serving three of the four terminals (the exception is Terminal 4). That's not just the airport's fault if most tourists don't know that, if you ask me.

While I also don't like the layout of MNL, it is absurd to believe that there's no "quick" public transit to/from the airport.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:05 am

Anyway, here's my best (and worst) airport layouts.  (I'm a bit partial to smaller airports, but allow me to review large airports too.)

Best

WAW - The layout allows for smooth traffic flow both for departing and arriving passengers, and despite being a smaller airport, it is very well-organized

MAD - Very easy to transfer between terminals, although I'm surprised at the distance between Terminals 1/2/3 and Terminal 4. Other than that, I like the airiness of the terminals and how there's sufficient room for people to maneuver around.

PIT - Everything is conveniently located, especially with the Airmall concept. Processing is fast and easy, and despite the closures the organization of the terminal is well-done.

RIX - Like a smaller WAW: everything is well-organized and traffic flows are organized to move as smoothly as possible.

SIN - Big, comfortable and efficient.

AMS - Even with the long distances, the terminal is efficient enough to navigate, and there are ample ways to move around quickly.

Worst

PEK - While transiting between the three terminals is easy enough, the layout is inefficient in particular for processing international transfers who have stops in another Chinese city. Normally, what happens is that you're put in a gate which is cut off from all other gates. Not a good thing if you ask me.

CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

LAX - Very inefficient layout which is good for O/D, but not for connections.

MNL - Same complaint with LAX. I will admit however that locals will have it easier than foreigners to transfer between terminals, but it is not as bad as people make it out to be. Still think it needs improvement, though.

TPE - Very inefficient processing at immigration, and the way gates are structured does not make it conducive for return trips to buy food or use the bathroom, for example.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:00 pm

I believe LIS is a very bad layout. True, compared to transiting with LHR, which hosts multiple amount of flights, it's still better, but for their size LIS is really bad. It's basically a long and very narrow terminal, with the transit counter and lounge in the middle. Although the amount of gates is rather small, the walk is always extremely long, and due to the narrowness there are no travellators.

Finally, the whole airport is very outdated, signage poor, and waiting/food areas very difficult to find.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 1):
Try MIA if you like long walks....

I thought MIA was bad, until I went to FRA, and I now connect there all the time.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:04 pm

My personal best layout for connecting is CLT. Not just thatt it's organized, but they have people-movers EVERYWHERE that make it soooo much easier to go between flights.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:08 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):

MAD - Very easy to transfer between terminals, although I'm surprised at the distance between Terminals 1/2/3 and Terminal 4. Other than that, I like the airiness of the terminals and how there's sufficient room for people to maneuver around.

I believe that this may be true for Terminal 4 (especially if you transfer within Schengen or from non-schengen to non schengen, so that you don't need to take the "Metro"). However taking the metro starts to make transferring quite long. And for the other Terminals, it's a pain. Transferring between T4 and everything else is chaotic and long. And for T1/2/3 I find them very looong, old, dark and dingy. And if you have to move down all the way to the non Schengen area (which is T1 I believe) it's quite a trek.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:53 pm

Best Airport Layout

DTW
Definitely on of the easiest to navigate out there, very organized, straight-forward and easy to transfer.

ATL
Very organized despite being the busiest airport in the world, easy to transfer.

SIN
Not your typical airport layout but I find it very calm and organized.



Worst Airport (Terminal) Layout

JFK Terminal 3
Just awful. The check-in hall is just dreadful, the departure area is dreadful, the ceilings are low, and the whole place is just damn depressing.


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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:48 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
While I also don't like the layout of MNL, it is absurd to believe that there's no "quick" public transit to/from the airport.

OK, at 3AM you may be correct! The rest of the time I don't call being stuck in traffic, whether it be on a bus or taxi, to be "quick". And if you have to travel from Makati, downtown Manila, or Antipolo in a short time, forget it!! From Antipolo to T-1 or T-2 is 13 miles. It generally cannot be done in an hour unless traffic is very light. From Manila Hotel is 5.9 miles and will take from 30-60 minutes and can be walked faster in some areas.

I have flown to/from many airports, and there is NO WAY I would consider Manila to have fast or reliable transportation to or from the airport--or even between terminals!
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:59 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
That's not just the airport's fault if most tourists don't know that, if you ask me.

Whose fault do you think it is then?? One of the airport's functions is to move people from the airside to their destination. If it's not publicised, then they have not done their job! It's also in their best interest to publicize it in an attempt to cut down the number of taxis clogging the route.
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BTW, I was not aware of the bus transportation nor do I ever recall seeing one near T-1 or T-2.

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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:55 pm

Quoting copter808 (Reply 20):
Whose fault do you think it is then?? One of the airport's functions is to move people from the airside to their destination. If it's not publicised, then they have not done their job! It's also in their best interest to publicize it in an attempt to cut down the number of taxis clogging the route.
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BTW, I was not aware of the bus transportation nor do I ever recall seeing one near T-1 or T-2.

Don't think I'm trashing Manila, it has kind of become my third home, Thailand being my second home.

Not thinking of that at all.   (I will say though that I particularly hate people giving MNL the "worst airport in the world" tag because they listen to a site such as the Guide to Sleeping in Airports, which the media here then blows up out of proportion, without any consideration as to there being airports which are simply worse than MNL.)

There is a bus stop just outside the terminals concerned where city buses (and jeepneys) drop off passengers. For Terminal 2, this is beside the entry ramp towards departures, while at Terminal 1, this is beside the parking lot, a little bit outside the visitor center for arrivals. The MIAA's website gives this information.

http://125.60.203.88/miaa/index.php?...tegory&layout=blog&id=13&Itemid=14

For Terminal 3, there is a bus to Fort Bonifacio and Eastwood City (in Quezon City) which departs from Resorts World Manila, just across the street.

Whose job is it then, you ask, if it's not just government who should be publicizing this? For one, travel guides don't give this type of information: more often than not, they say that the only way into or out of MNL is by taxi. Some locals don't help either, as they'd say the same thing. Government shouldn't be the only one to blame here, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:34 am

For a smaller US airport, I find CLT to be very easy to navigate so its on my list. For a major airport I find DTW to be as good as they come! I absolutely hate LGA. I think it was designed by someone on crack.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:49 am

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 22):
I think it was designed by someone on crack.

They didn't have crack back in the 30s, and Charlotte had only one horse. For obvious reasons, smaller airports are usually easier to navigate.  
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:18 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):
CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

Strange as there is the automated rail link - CDG VAL - which links all the terminals and the parking lots. You can travel from terminal 1 to 2 in ten minutes. You can even take the shuttles to be delivered at each sub-terminal.... and inside, the distances are certainly shorter than, say SIN which is among your favourites.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:23 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 24):
Strange as there is the automated rail link - CDG VAL - which links all the terminals and the parking lots. You can travel from terminal 1 to 2 in ten minutes. You can even take the shuttles to be delivered at each sub-terminal.... and inside, the distances are certainly shorter than, say SIN which is among your favourites.
have you been here recently ?

I was there in May last year, which was certainly easier than the experience that I'm stating. However, for transits, the layout is not as good as I'd like it to be.

I remember, when I first transited in CDG, I was coming from an AF flight (2F), transfering to an LH flight departing from Terminal 1. Sure, CDGVAL makes inter-terminal transfer easier, but the distance coming from 2F all the way to the CDGVAL station was, in my opinion, very far. Or, if it isn't as far as you say it is, there's the impression that it's far (I was walking for about 15-20 minutes from baggage claim before I even made it to the CDGVAL station).

In contrast, distances in SIN are shorter, or they have the impression of being shorter, than the distances at CDG. However, during the times that I was in SIN, I was not transiting; rather, all my flights to/from SIN are O/D.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:59 am

AKL is right up there for worst layout terminal wise, and ramp wise. Especially considering how small it is, it's not like it has any excuse for being bad, like LAX/LHR.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting reifel (Reply 14):
I believe LIS is a very bad layout. True, compared to transiting with LHR, which hosts multiple amount of flights, it's still better, but for their size LIS is really bad. It's basically a long and very narrow terminal, with the transit counter and lounge in the middle. Although the amount of gates is rather small, the walk is always extremely long, and due to the narrowness there are no travellators.

Finally, the whole airport is very outdated, signage poor, and waiting/food areas very difficult to find.

Plans had called to having replaced LIS as the primary airport for Lisbon by years now. It still gets minor fixes one after the other, as discussion about the replacement airport's location had gone on for decades.


Quoting icanfly (Reply 9):
I dislike the long aerotrain trip to and from the D and E gates. Why are they so far away?

If you take into account that the code name for the building was / is "Dock Midfield" it might become clear that it was not supposed to be directly connected with the remainder of the terminal complex.
ZRH is heavily restricted (by politics and topography) and there simply was no other suitable place left to build this additional concourse.
And at the time it was planned and built, Swissair (SR) was relying on connecting passengers and Switzerland was not part of the Schengen area. All transfers could be handled without going through immigration.

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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:35 am

personal choice:

BEST:

AMS: very easy to navigate and get around. Polderbaan runway lets it down a bit, that's a long taxi.
DTW: simple, smooth, seemingly always a calm atmosphere (McNamara terminal). A great example of how to completely rebuild an airport and go from the absolute worst to one of the best.


Worst

ATL - a lot here seem to like it but getting from one concourse to another can be a massive pain in peak hours with short connections.

CDG - absolute worst if you land on the most northerly runway have to taxi and park at a remote stand, then get a bus and then make a connection. An hour and a half can soon vanish.

LHR - just a scattered maze of buildings. At least they are rebuilding and the alliances gradually seem to be coming together in their own terminal. big questions, will VS move to T4 and when will that endless collection of corridors known as T-1 be torn down!

Almost any Australian airport making an international - domestic connection, what possessed them to design two completely different terminals often on the other side of the airfield or a couple of miles away? I can't fathom that out.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:33 am

Since when is CLT a small airport? US Airways has a HUGE hub there. Probably larger than Delta at DTW in terms of flights.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:37 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 28):
Almost any Australian airport making an international - domestic connection, what possessed them to design two completely different terminals often on the other side of the airfield or a couple of miles away? I can't fathom that out.

   It's awful. I don't understand why SYD didn't construct an airtrain between the domestic and international terminals rather than the tedious bus transfer.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting icanfly (Reply 30):
It's awful. I don't understand why SYD didn't construct an airtrain between the domestic and international terminals rather than the tedious bus transfer.

SYD part agreed except that....


There has been a rail link that goes directly under the runway for years. No need for a tedious bus journey unless you choose to do so. Granted the rail link is in no way perfect. I did a connection between LA and DJ a few years ago (there was no interline agreement between them). To be honest was a pain in the ass hauling my bag onto a train full of suburban commuters at 0800 Monday morning and getting charged $5 to do so.

BNE is even worse with the train only running every half hour and untill recently only ran between (0600-1900) lucky BNE is my home base so there's no need for me to transfer.

The only decent Australian major airports for transits are MEL and ADL with their one building layout.
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:01 pm

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 31):

The only decent Australian major airports for transits are MEL and ADL with their one building layout.

I think PER takes the cake for the worst airport to transfer in Australia, it was only a few years ago that they started a dedicated bus transfer!
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 13):
CDG - Distances are too long for efficient transfer (for me, in some cases even longer than AMS), particularly when doing an inter-terminal transfer. Always have lots of time before transfering through here.

FRA is the same!!!
MUC is the same!!!!
ORD is the same!!!
LAX is the same!!
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting copter808 (Reply 6):
Worst terminal layout for me is MNL.
1. Four terminals and no reliable way to get between them.
2. No quick public transit to/from the airport

Hopefully when the transfer of GA to Sangley Point is done...and the new Master Plan for NAIA is implemented and completed...a monorail system (like the one trialed at UP) to facilitate transfers between terminals, and connect the airport to the Taft/EDSA MRT station would be built.....

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/...p.jpg.pagespeed.ic.E8Pd1mqM4Y.jpg.

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The shortest, cheapest, viable route is to go through the CAAP compound on Airport Rd/Andrews Ave, then via Aurora Blvd. to EDSA.....

https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hs=XmP&hl=en&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=naia+3+to+mrt+taft&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45175338,d.cGE&biw=1680&bih=880&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


Of course, such undertaking will have to fight it out with other projects for funding priority. Just as important, potential riders would need to travel lightly and be alert. Squeezing into a full coach with much baggage could be very inconvenient and frustrating!   



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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:55 pm

Best Terminal Layout: MDW - brilliant how everything was made to fit with so little space available
ATW everything is close by
ORD - keeps distances shorter with Y-patterns and a semicircle arrangement

Worst Terminal Layout: LAX bad traffic pattern for cars, everything too close, causes automatic gridlock
PHX - grid pattern makes for long walks between connecting flights
DFW - same layout as LAX, but TX-sized, now everything is far apart instead
ONT - small airport - two terminals 1/2 mile apart

Best Runway Layout: MCO - something like 15000 ft

Worst Runway Layout: SNA - too short and pointed straight at rich NIMBYs
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:28 am

Best....


*BDL. The new terminals are great. Well designed, easy security, and great performance in bad weather. (Stays open when most other stations close). A huge improvement from 20 years ago...and we locals will have no issues with seeing the wrecking ball finally take down the old Murphy building which still stands next door to the new terminals.

*PBI...simple and to the point. Easy in and out, nice terminal and little crowds.

*MCO...vacation kingdom that somehow runs quite smooth. Well laid out terminals and easy access to the highways.

*ATL....big but easy to navigate, lots to do during long layovers.

All above airports have quick gate to runway taxi times and smooth operations in that area


Worst....

*JFK. Clusterf**k any way you put it. The former Pan Am Worldport is a disgrace. Run down, baggage claim that resembles an inner city bus station, narrow hallways, long lines. An embarrassing first impression of the U.S. for arriving passengers. ATC delays....always having bad weather delays and diversions (which ironically end up at BDL most of the time)

*MIA....confusing signage, long lines, little organization....one wrong turn while leaving the airport in your rental car and you're in a nasty part of town.

*ORD....ever been there in a snowstorm? I rest my case.

*STT....yes this is a small airport, but it's a mess. Ticket counter lines that last for hours, inept employees, TSA and immigration lines from hell. Too many flights leaving at one time during the afternoon and on Saturdays. Sad way to remember a beautiful place as you are leaving.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:09 am

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 33):
FRA is the same!!!
MUC is the same!!!!
ORD is the same!!!
LAX is the same!!
FRA and MUC make up for it by having options to stop at, such as stores. CDG landside does not have that if you're going between terminals, as far as I remember, or if they do, the options are minimal. I do like the architecture though, and it is a marvel.

Last time I was in ORD was ten years ago, so I cannot compare now.

I've only done O/D at LAX.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 34):
a monorail system (like the one trialed at UP) to facilitate transfers between terminals, and connect the airport to the Taft/EDSA MRT station would be built.....

There is a plan to connect the airport to the LRT directly through a spur line from Baclaran.

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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:27 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 37):
There is a plan to connect the airport to the LRT directly through a spur line from Baclaran.

That will likely traverse the existing tracks that go down to the LRT rollingstock maintenance depot and yard...just across the same compound on Airport Rd and a bit southwest of Aurora Ave. It will save the cost of building new tracks up to that point, but goes by the cemetery through a decrepit area.

Baclaran hardly seems the place to let loose unwary travelers on...however, the operator could run a light rail train back and forth to there from a new NAIA station...and limit the monorail or bus shuttle to just the airport premises to minimize capital outlay. Not sure if people bound north on EDSA would need to change trains at Taft though.

A concerned expat wrote to Mr. Chanco about some very good ideas.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201.../keep-naia-forget-fast-train-clark

[Edited 2013-04-12 22:44:46]
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jrfspa320
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:06 pm

Agreed that Australian airports are bad, perth has to be the worst, mornings are domestic terminals are hectic with aircraft parked other side of the runway unable to cross.
Actually find Dubai unpleasant. Long bus rides packed terminal with minimal facilities and seating
SIN and HKG are paradise in comparison
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 29):
Since when is CLT a small airport? US Airways has a HUGE hub there. Probably larger than Delta at DTW in terms of flights.

Now, now. Neither BC77008 nor I said CLT was small, just smaller. Keep eating your Wheaties, CLT.   
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:36 am

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 31):
To be honest was a pain in the ass hauling my bag onto a train full of suburban commuters at 0800 Monday morning and getting charged $5 to do so.

I'm in inclined to agree with Icanfly, the train option at SYD almost isn't an option at all. As you say it costs $5 to go from T1 to T2/3, and it is not even a dedicated train. At peak hour, as you say, the trains are already packed with commuters by the time that they arrive at the airport, and trying to get a case on can be, well, a challenge!

At least at BNE the airport is the end of the line

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 31):
BNE is even worse

Other than the trains being empty, I agree, but...

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 32):
I think PER takes the cake for the worst airport to transfer in Australia

...if not the world!!!
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:14 pm

It's subjective, depending on what you are doing. You mention LHR as one of the worst, yes it's my home airport and I know it like the back of my hand. If you are transferring through any airport at the same terminal it's bound to be easier than having to transfer on a bus/train or something.

PER - for example transferring between International/Domestic terminals can be a difficult - I've done it twice once at 4am from an international flight..buses start at 6am or something silly. Or you have a long wait between buses and the terminals are literally across the runway from one another.

But the best advise I give to people is check before hand which terminal your airline uses, study a map, even take one so at least you've got some idea potentially where you may need to go or where the general layout is.

Generally the second or third time you visit somewhere it becomes a bit easier.

Given time I like to wonder airport terminals just to get a feel for the layout.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:56 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 28):
LHR - just a scattered maze of buildings. At least they are rebuilding and the alliances gradually seem to be coming together in their own terminal. big questions, will VS move to T4 and when will that endless collection of corridors known as T-1 be torn down!

LHR T-1 will be demolished as soon as the new T-2 is finished next year. It will nice to see the demo start at LHR T-1 and the old TBIT concourses at LAX. THe worst parts of TBIT may start to go away as early as the fall of this year.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:43 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 37):
Last time I was in ORD was ten years ago, so I cannot compare now.

I go through ORD often and other than some new runways and terminal refurbishment, not much has changed.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 37):
There is a plan to connect the airport to the LRT

I've heard about the LRT extention. Hopefully it will go to all 3 terminals.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Wed May 01, 2013 2:39 am

Best terminal at DTW. DTW does not have a bad runway layout either.
I see a lot of complaining about the terminals at LAX but LAX does have a very good runway layout.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Wed May 01, 2013 5:12 am

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 35):
DFW - same layout as LAX, but TX-sized, now everything is far apart instead

I guess the roadways and parking garages outside are pretty bass-ackwards, but once you're airside at DFW it's actually quite pleasantly laid out. As has already been mentioned, the runway layout provides impressive capacity and in theory reduces delays (but try telling that to a planeful of passengers that have just taxied from 17L to the B or D terminals), and thanks to Skylink connections between terminals are relatively quick. The average Skylink ride takes only 5 minutes, and it only takes another 3-5 minutes to walk from any gate to the nearest platform.

I'm probably biased, though, since it's my home airport  
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Wed May 01, 2013 3:22 pm

All right, I'll throw it out there from an O&D standpoint - MCI. You can get between the gate and the curb in seconds, and taxi time is rarely more than a few minutes because there are three runways, in various directions, for a fairly quiet airport. All pretty efficient.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Wed May 01, 2013 8:50 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 47):
All right, I'll throw it out there from an O&D standpoint - MCI. You can get between the gate and the curb in seconds, and taxi time is rarely more than a few minutes because there are three runways, in various directions, for a fairly quiet airport. All pretty efficient.

But the MCI terminal design is what prompted TWA to establish their major hub at STL instead of MCI. MCI works well for O&D traffic but not as a hub.
 
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RE: Best/Worst Airport Layout

Wed May 01, 2013 10:46 pm

ICN, DTW, AMS, ATL are good designs, terminal-wise.

JFK, LAX, LGA, LHR, CDG: disasters terminal-wise.

Runway-wise:

NRT: disaster runway-wise (and taxiway-wise), though a nice airport to go through.

SFO: disaster runway-wise (in bad weather).

ORD: ewww, runways in all directions, seems like no planning! Not to mention interminable delays.

AMS: polderbaan... enough said  

Good: anything with lots of non-intersecting runways... ATL, CDG, etc...

Quoting sw733 (Reply 47):
All right, I'll throw it out there from an O&D standpoint - MCI. You can get between the gate and the curb in seconds, and taxi time is rarely more than a few minutes because there are three runways, in various directions, for a fairly quiet airport. All pretty efficient.

Can't argue with that!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 48):
But the MCI terminal design is what prompted TWA to establish their major hub at STL instead of MCI. MCI works well for O&D traffic but not as a hub.

So? Who wants to connect in MCI, anyway?   All that would've happened is having the city lose a hub in 2001-ish.

And likely no Midwest Express springing up there... And that was a good airline.

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